This Should Concern Everyone....2016

[UncleBuck]

Just the tax for opting out is 2.5 percent of taxable income

Are you still trying to argue it isn't a tax?

when did i try to argue that?

and incorrect on the first part. i am not referring to opting out. i am in the process of trapping me an uninformed (or lying) mr. kynes.

 

[sniffer]

i dont pay taxes

 

[Dr Kynes]

let me get this straight:

are you trying to claim that a family of four making a meager amount of money (perhaps $50k for a family of 4) is going to have to pay 8% of their income for health insurance?

is that seriously what you are trying to argue?

yes. the "subsidies" which you so applaud for going upo to 400% of the "poverty line" only kick in if your medical insurance premiums exceed 8% of your income.

or didnt you read that part?

"Example 1. Unmarried employee with no dependents. Taxpayer A is an

unmarried individual with no dependents. In November 2015, A is eligible to enroll in

self-only coverage under a plan offered by A’s employer for calendar year 2016. If A

enrolls in the coverage, A is required to pay $5,000 of the total annual premium. In

2016, A’s household income is $60,000. Under paragraph (e)(3)(ii)(A) of this section,

A's required contribution is $5,000, the portion of the annual premium A pays for selfonly

coverage. Under paragraph (e)(1) of this section, A lacks affordable coverage for

2016 because A’s required contribution ($5,000) is greater than 8 percent of A’s

household income ($4,800)."

the affordable care provisions after the 8% of income bullshit is scattered around like a stripper's titty glitter, why cant you see it?

ohh thats right youre looking at the titties while Barry Seotoro and the other pimps go through your pockets.

 

[Dr Kynes]

when did i try to argue that?

and incorrect on the first part. i am not referring to opting out. i am in the process of trapping me an uninformed (or lying) mr. kynes.

im uninformed but you think an extra 8% of income taken by government fiat for dubious return through a private FOR PROFIT!!!! company, or 2.4% taken by taxation for ZERO return is a good thing?

my food and housing alone take nearly 70% of my after tax income, and thus i will gain an extra 2.4% tax and NO health insurance, or an extra 8% expenditure which only FEELS like a tax, for dubious medical coverage which wont cover shit, falls over like a broken hobby-horse when i hit the coverage maximum, or vanishes like a fart in the wind if the company folds up it's tents and goes home.

and obamacare doesnt even cover dental or vision.

sweet.

what part do i have so wrong?

the private and profiteering nature of medical insurance companies?

the 8% maximum premium before subsidies kick in, unless you make more than $45376 a year (thats 400% of the poverty line) then youre on your own?

or the 2.4% tax for declining barry's generous invitation, and STILL not having any medical insurance, even the shabby rickety piece of crap barry thinks is adequate for the kludges?

really mister Spell Checker in Chief, which part is wrong?

 

[UncleBuck]

yes. the "subsidies" which you so applaud for going upo to 400% of the "poverty line" only kick in if your medical insurance premiums exceed 8% of your income.

or didnt you read that part?

"Example 1. Unmarried employee with no dependents. Taxpayer A is an

unmarried individual with no dependents. In November 2015, A is eligible to enroll in

self-only coverage under a plan offered by A’s employer for calendar year 2016. If A

enrolls in the coverage, A is required to pay $5,000 of the total annual premium. In

2016, A’s household income is $60,000. Under paragraph (e)(3)(ii)(A) of this section,

A's required contribution is $5,000, the portion of the annual premium A pays for selfonly

coverage. Under paragraph (e)(1) of this section, A lacks affordable coverage for

2016 because A’s required contribution ($5,000) is greater than 8 percent of A’s

household income ($4,800)."

the affordable care provisions after the 8% of income bullshit is scattered around like a stripper's titty glitter, why cant you see it?

ohh thats right youre looking at the titties while Barry Seotoro and the other pimps go through your pockets.

so let me get this straight: you only get bailed out by the fed gov if the private sector fucks you in the ass harder than polite society has deemed acceptable for ass fucking?

what a nightmare.

i bet that will drive us further towards the goal of non-profit health insurance, like they have in every other country that does it better than us. i know that's not the single payer you seem to favor (if we go that route), but it is a step in the right direction. no one needs to profit from you son's cancer.

and i personally don't like single payer. was trying to think of something trolly to end on, but only managed that opinion.

 

[UncleBuck]

im uninformed but you think an extra 8% of income taken by government fiat for dubious return through a private FOR PROFIT!!!! company, or 2.4% taken by taxation for ZERO return is a good thing?

my food and housing alone take nearly 70% of my after tax income, and thus i will gain an extra 2.4% tax and NO health insurance, or an extra 8% expenditure which only FEELS like a tax, for dubious medical coverage which wont cover shit, falls over like a broken hobby-horse when i hit the coverage maximum, or vanishes like a fart in the wind if the company folds up it's tents and goes home.

and obamacare doesnt even cover dental or vision.

sweet.

what part do i have so wrong?

the private and profiteering nature of medical insurance companies?

the 8% maximum premium before subsidies kick in, unless you make more than $45376 a year (thats 400% of the poverty line) then youre on your own?

or the 2.4% tax for declining barry's generous invitation, and STILL not having any medical insurance, even the shabby rickety piece of crap barry thinks is adequate for the kludges?

really mister Spell Checker in Chief, which part is wrong?

if you're a single guy with no wife or kids, making $45,376 a year, and paying $302.50 a month for health insurance, you are genuinely retarded (or seriously ill and dependent) and probably need the government to help you with subsidies of some kind. i made almost that much and paid way less than that for health insurance back when i was single no kids.

if you're a single guy with no wife or kids, making $45,376 a year, and risking your health at everyone else's expense, you should probably be assessed a $95 per month fine. that's the fee for insuring all the other dumbasses who thought they had the money to shell out $400k for their cancer treatments on their $20 an hour wage.*

 

[Dr Kynes]

if you're a single guy with no wife or kids, making $45,376 a year, and paying $302.50 a month for health insurance, you are genuinely retarded (or seriously ill and dependent) and probably need the government to help you with subsidies of some kind. i made almost that much and paid way less than that for health insurance back when i was single no kids.

if you're a single guy with no wife or kids, making $45,376 a year, and risking your health at everyone else's expense, you should probably be assessed a $95 per month fine. that's the fee for insuring all the other dumbasses who thought they had the money to shell out $400k for their cancer treatments on their $20 an hour wage.*

or you live in california, or are "self employed" or are not offered a group plan by your employer, or you have alimony payments to the cunt who didnt drop a kid (small mercies) before she ran off with her psychology professor, or youre still paying off other debts leaving nothing to spare for a really shitty medical insurance plan that doesnt cover shit.

you always forgert that part, this is all for the "bronze plan" garbage, which means youll be DONGED if you actually need it.

ohh yeah your checkups and whatnot will be "free' (only 300+ a month for a ten minute exam every year...) but youll be cornholed by the "Bronze Plan" if you get soemthing serious or have a catastrophic injury.

whats your glib response then? "Shoulda Gone Platinum"?

california has a crippling cost of living index, usury taxes and depressed wages (thanks illegal immigrants) so unless youre on the board of directors for Pets.com or wells fargo you cant afford the niceties of medical insurance which doesnt cover shit, much less the exorbitant rates for the plans that DO cover shit.

so all the poor people should evacuate california and move to mississippi or louisiana where the cost of living is lower and thus medical insurance will be cheaper...

i heard an asshole on the radio making JUST THAT ARGUMENT a few days ago. as if abandoning everything you worked for so far, jumping in your car with whatever of your shit you can carry Joads style and reverse-Grapes-of-Wrathing your way to the rust belt is free, and youll be able to find work, or even a place to crash when you get there...

but the obamacare index of cost will be so much more favourable.

truely a work of genius.

 

[UncleBuck]

or you live in california, or are "self employed" or are not offered a group plan by your employer, or you have alimony payments to the cunt who didnt drop a kid (small mercies) before she ran off with her psychology professor, or youre still paying off other debts leaving nothing to spare for a really shitty medical insurance plan that doesnt cover shit.

you always forgert that part, this is all for the "bronze plan" garbage, which means youll be DONGED if you actually need it.

ohh yeah your checkups and whatnot will be "free' (only 300+ a month for a ten minute exam every year...) but youll be cornholed by the "Bronze Plan" if you get soemthing serious or have a catastrophic injury.

whats your glib response then? "Shoulda Gone Platinum"?

california has a crippling cost of living index, usury taxes and depressed wages (thanks illegal immigrants) so unless youre on the board of directors for Pets.com or wells fargo you cant afford the niceties of medical insurance which doesnt cover shit, much less the exorbitant rates for the plans that DO cover shit.

so all the poor people should evacuate california and move to mississippi or louisiana where the cost of living is lower and thus medical insurance will be cheaper...

i heard an asshole on the radio making JUST THAT ARGUMENT a few days ago. as if abandoning everything you worked for so far, jumping in your car with whatever of your shit you can carry Joads style and reverse-Grapes-of-Wrathing your way to the rust belt is free, and youll be able to find work, or even a place to crash when you get there...

but the obamacare index of cost will be so much more favourable.

truely a work of genius.

*truly

300+ dollars a month for a 10 minute exam once a year? are you retarded?

even if you are really poor, making $15k a year, just above the cutoff line for medicaid as a single no kids, the fine is about $350 bucks (2.5% of 15k). the maximum cost to insure yourself is about $525 (3-4% of 15k).

if you're really the adventurous type, pay the penalty for all the other dumbasses like you and visit the free clinic for your annual checkup.

seriously, the math on this is pretty logical, MR. kynes.

 

[fb360]

when did i try to argue that?

and incorrect on the first part. i am not referring to opting out. i am in the process of trapping me an uninformed (or lying) mr. kynes.

The first post I ever made in this section, I argued that as a small business owner, obamacare is a unconstitutional tax pushed upon me. You were the individual who tried to refute that it was not an unconstitutional tax merely because a few judges said so; technically you're right, but it's bullshit.

 

[UncleBuck]

The first post I ever made in this section, I argued that as a small business owner, obamacare is a unconstitutional tax pushed upon me. You were the individual who tried to refute that it was not an unconstitutional tax merely because a few judges said so; technically you're right, but it's bullshit.

it's a tax, AND it's a penalty!

let's call it a tax penalty. a penalty you pay on your taxes.

if we paid for speeding and parking tickets by a 1040, i would call them tax penalties too.

yeah, obamacare is bullshit. it's only really a nudge in the right direction.

i would have liked to see the gubbmint offer insurance to us peasants for cheap to compete with private plans (public option).

but alas...

 

[fb360]

it's a tax, AND it's a penalty!

let's call it a tax penalty. a penalty you pay on your taxes.

if we paid for speeding and parking tickets by a 1040, i would call them tax penalties too.

yeah, obamacare is bullshit. it's only really a nudge in the right direction.

i would have liked to see the gubbmint offer insurance to us peasants for cheap to compete with private plans (public option).

but alas...

I'm glad that you admit that it is indeed a tax

I agree healthcare is just generally fucked up, but I don't think obamacare is the step we needed. We do need a change, that as much is certain. There is WAY WAY WAY too (redundancy intended) much fraud in medicare and other gov healthcare programs. Free healthcare would be great, if we can get equal inputs as well. Just think, we have 300milion, some 100million adults. Give each adult a healthcare plan for $500 and we have 50billion in liquid funds. How we use those funds is up for further debate, but 50billion talks.

e;
obviously there would need to be more than that, but it is a simple example. I don't know how we can possibly achieve free healthcare when we are trillions in debt, but we also can NOT let our government recoup on our dime. They already spent all of our money, they need to find a way to get it back; that is their JOB. If we pay into a tax to help fund our payment towards debt, we the people are going further in debt.

 

[nontheist]

I'm glad that you admit that it is indeed a tax

I agree healthcare is just generally fucked up, but I don't think obamacare is the step we needed. We do need a change, that as much is certain. There is WAY WAY WAY too (redundancy intended) much fraud in medicare and other gov healthcare programs. Free healthcare would be great, if we can get equal inputs as well. Just think, we have 300milion, some 100million adults. Give each adult a healthcare plan for $500 and we have 50billion in liquid funds. How we use those funds is up for further debate, but 50billion talks

Honestly I think Jan1 2014 the healthcare industry will be the most power lobby in history. The unintentional consequence of organizing a corrupt system.

 

[Harrekin]

I'm glad that you admit that it is indeed a tax

I agree healthcare is just generally fucked up, but I don't think obamacare is the step we needed. We do need a change, that as much is certain. There is WAY WAY WAY too (redundancy intended) much fraud in medicare and other gov healthcare programs. Free healthcare would be great, if we can get equal inputs as well. Just think, we have 300milion, some 100million adults. Give each adult a healthcare plan for $500 and we have 50billion in liquid funds. How we use those funds is up for further debate, but 50billion talks.

e;
obviously there would need to be more than that, but it is a simple example. I don't know how we can possibly achieve free healthcare when we are trillions in debt, but we also can NOT let our government recoup on our dime. They already spent all of our money, they need to find a way to get it back; that is their JOB. If we pay into a tax to help fund our payment towards debt, we the people are going further in debt.

All non-discretionary procedures are free here...our deficit is now only 3% of GDP.

Swap "droning the shit out of places" for "treating American cancer patients".

Wow, you'd save money and lives... in America!

 

[fb360]

All non-discretionary procedures are free here...our deficit is now only 3% of GDP.

Swap "droning the shit out of places" for "treating American cancer patients".

Wow, you'd save money and lives... in America!

Why the hell would we stop droning people? That's one of America's favorite pastimes

e;
You make a good point though. I don't agree with many of our current military actions. I think our response to 9/11 was good, but it's long over, done for. Also I think we have our nose in too many places, but that's just my opinion.

 

[Harrekin]

Why the hell would we stop droning people? That's one of America's favorite pastimes

It'd probably fix your fiscal MESS of a balance sheet and stop making Musselmen want to attack your country...all the while you could spend a fraction of the money on healthcare.

And for the record, healthcare already costs FIVE TIMES more to the public purse in the US per capita than it does here...where everything is free...ie. I get cancer, I get treatment.

Its a nice arrangement.

 

[nontheist]

All non-discretionary procedures are free here...our deficit is now only 3% of GDP.

Swap "droning the shit out of places" for "treating American cancer patients".

Wow, you'd save money and lives... in America!

I sorry I will catch hell for this but I don't think anyone knows what to expect out of our president. He is the reddest liberal I have ever seen and he has no intentions to quit droning the shit out of people. Maybe he knows something we don't but he sure the hell isn't sharing.

 

[echelon1k1]

So obamacare isn't "free universal healthcare" for every American or is it?

My definition of the phrase is much like Harrekins, I get sick, I get treatment and I don't get a bill in the mail... ever...

 

[fb360]

So obamacare isn't "free universal healthcare" for every American or is it?

My definition of the phrase is much like Harrekins, I get sick, I get treatment and I don't get a bill in the mail... ever...

it never was...

 

[ChesusRice]

Why the hell would we stop droning people? That's one of America's favorite pastimes

e;
You make a good point though. I don't agree with many of our current military actions. I think our response to 9/11 was good, but it's long over, done for. Also I think we have our nose in too many places, but that's just my opinion.

Iraq?
Was good?

 

[Illegal Smile]

Iraq?
Was good?[/QUOTE

What would the alternative have looked like? I personally think there would have been a nuclear exchange in the middle east by now. So yeah, good.