Monsanto cannabis yes or no? The DNA Protection Act of 2013

Genetically Engineered Cannabis yes or no?


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ginjawarrior

Well-Known Member
"morgellon's" is just shorthand for a set of symptoms. same as "autism" is just shorthand for a set of symptoms.

weak attempt at dismissal.
autism is a short hand for a set of medically recognised and medically related symptoms

morgellions is a bunch of people that
A cannot keep thier wounds clean
b cannot stop picking at them
c to fucking crazy to connect that the fluff stuck in their wound is the same color as the clothing they're wearing

you want to stick your oar in on the side of morgellons please proceed

 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
no offense, but you're asking some pretty stupid questions, and only a little bit is my fault.

i buy my peas from the same place i buy strawberries and stop in often for humanely raised, grass fed beef (with gluten free and lactose free options for the wife) at the diner on the same corner (they hook it up!).

it is at the intersection of river road and farmington, just southwest of the cruise in diner. peas are grown alongside the strawberries, and i guarantee they are not GMO.*

how do i know if something IS gmo? pretty easy. i look to see if any number of corn derived ingredients are added to the food. if there is anything like HFCS, i just go ahead and assume right there that it was derived from GMO corn and know that 90-99% of the time my assumption is correct.

i absolutely know the difference between those peas and my peas versus a package of peas from the store with some sort of preservative or GMO derived additive. i can taste it and i can feel it after.



if you've ever seen portlandia, you know that my wife and i are a little more careful about what we eat. i have been on a personal vendetta for the better part of a year to give as little of my money as possible to GMO producers. it is inevitable that we sometimes eat at restaurants that use products derived from GMOs and we often have no choice but to buy a coke or stop in to mcdonalds or the like for something to eat.

tricked we may often be, but conscious of what we are eating we always are. and sometimes we just go ahead and give in to the inevitable new wave that is the GMO, mass produced, inhumanely raised, uncaringly packaged and processed CRAP.
You realize that this is not a test for food containing GM ingredients, but merely a test for its being processed. You are setting up an invalid identity between "contains GM" and "highly processed". I don't deny a great deal of overlap, but the correspondence is not absolute or durable. Gmo. cn

<edit> Ginja already made the point.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
came across a few articles about cows dying from GMO grass that would release cyanide, but i am withholding those since that was not my claim. but that's yet another strike against GMO.

i hope "sciencedaily" is neutral enough of a source. it talks about how cows suffer when removed from their traditional diet that they have enjoyed for thousands of years.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/05/010511074623.htm

the funny thing is, we create a solution to a problem we created (pump the cows full of antibiotics, hormones, etc) that creates more problems which we then reward people for finding solutions to. it's an ass backwards way to go about things.
It wasn't GM grass. it was bred the old-fashioned way. cn
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
The GMO link to strange disease

As early as 2008, NaturalNews.com reported about a condition called Morgellon's disease. The article went on to report the symptoms of the disease as follows: crawling, stinging, biting and crawling sensations; threads or black speck-like materials on or beneath the skin; granules, lesions. Some patients report fatigue, short term memory loss, mental confusion, joint pain and changes in vision. Furthermore, there have been reports of substantial morbidity and social dysfunction leading to a dip in work productivity, job loss, total disability, divorce, loss of child custody and home abandonment.


Prior to its reporting, the condition was dismissed as a hoax, but upon further investigation, the evidence pointed out that the disease was real and may be related to genetically modified food.


Despite this link being established, the CDC declared Morgellon's disease of unknown origin. Worse, the medical community could not offer any information to the public regarding a cause for the symptoms.


When a research study was conducted on fiber samples taken from Morgellons patients, it was discovered that the fiber samples of all the patients looked remarkable similar. And yet, it did not seem to match any common environmental fiber. When the fiber was broken down, and it's DNA extracted, it was discovered to belong to a fungus. Even more surprising was the finding that the fibers contained Agrobacterium, a genus gram-negative bacteria with the capacity of transforming plant, animal and even human cells.


Morgellon's disease is not the only condition associated with genetically modified foods. A growing body of evidence has shown that it may cause allergies, immune reactions, liver problems, sterility and even death. Moreover, based on the only human feeding experiment conducted on genetically modified food, it was established that genetic material in genetically modified food product can transfer into the DNA of intestinal bacteria and still continue to thrive.


This makes me hungry, hey monsanto hitler, spin this one off............"wheres the study published?", i can hear it now lmao

these arent all lies that are being published. GMOs are bad for everyone genius. :wall:
SAY NO TO GMO!!!!!!!

Moregellons is a "syndrome" not a disease.

mogellons is also "closely associated" with "chem-trails" alien abductions, CIA mind control rays and the FDA putting dangerous chemicals into our vitamin pills.
morfgellons hasnt been recognized, no cause has been found (but most researchers involved in this suspect mental illness) and your gabble gabble nonsense is the first time i've heard this strawman associated with GMO's

the morgellons story predated GMO's as well so i suppose GMO's caused this "disease" which mainly afflicts crazy loons BEFORE they were developed...

give up already.

youre no good at this. thats why you think smileys are evidence.
 

Ninjabowler

Well-Known Member
Moregellons is a "syndrome" not a disease.

mogellons is also "closely associated" with "chem-trails" alien abductions, CIA mind control rays and the FDA putting dangerous chemicals into our vitamin pills.
morfgellons hasnt been recognized, no cause has been found (but most researchers involved in this suspect mental illness) and your gabble gabble nonsense is the first time i've heard this strawman associated with GMO's

the morgellons story predated GMO's as well so i suppose GMO's caused this "disease" which mainly afflicts crazy loons BEFORE they were developed...

give up already.

youre no good at this. thats why you think smileys are evidence.
Your a quack! Monegellons is a digusting disease! Somthing that GMOs were linked to in the article i posted for you. You write it off and link it with aliens and mind control. You are so blind to the truth arent you? And then when you get evidence in your face you spin it off and make futile attemps to discredit it. Were on to you monsanto hitler ;)
SAY NO TO GMO, MONSANTO SUCKS!!!
 

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
Your a quack! Monegellons is a digusting disease! Somthing that GMOs were linked to in the article i posted for you. You write it off and link it with aliens and mind control. You are so blind to the truth arent you? And then when you get evidence in your face you spin it off and make futile attemps to discredit it. Were on to you monsanto hitler ;)
SAY NO TO GMO, MONSANTO SUCKS!!!
Listen, as much as we appreciate the personal service, if we have any comments or suggestions about our Big Macs then we'll leave them in the suggestion box in store.

Get back to flipping those burgers, the grown ups are talking.
 

ginjawarrior

Well-Known Member
Your a quack! Monegellons is a digusting disease! Somthing that GMOs were linked to in the article i posted for you. You write it off and link it with aliens and mind control. You are so blind to the truth arent you? And then when you get evidence in your face you spin it off and make futile attemps to discredit it. Were on to you monsanto hitler ;)
SAY NO TO GMO, MONSANTO SUCKS!!!
do you know what is fucking disgusting? ANTI GMO pinning their campaign on the back of mentally ill people to try and give it legitimacy

you know how fucking wrong that is?

i might be perfectly happy saying as it is and that they're crazy but i'd never actively try to add another thing for them to be paranoid about to win points
 

Ninjabowler

Well-Known Member
do you know what is fucking disgusting? ANTI GMO pinning their campaign on the back of mentally ill people to try and give it legitimacy

you know how fucking wrong that is?

i might be perfectly happy saying as it is and that they're crazy but i'd never actively try to add another thing for them to be paranoid about to win points
ok so are all these mice mentally ill or linked to CIA mind control? How about the farmers? Mentally ill too? And the inulin grow factor 1, (IGF-1), more lies to make people hate GMOs? Why are countries all over the world banning monsanto gmos? Those countries mentally ill too?

1. Corn - Corn has been modified to create its own insecticide. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has declared that tons of genetically modified corn has been introduced for human consumption. Monsanto has revealed that half of the US's sweet corn farms are planted with genetically modified seed. Mice fed with GM corn were discovered to have smaller offspring and fertility problems.


2. Soy - Soy has also been genetically modified to resist herbicides. Soy products include soy flour, tofu, soy beverages, soybean oil and other products that may include pastries, baked products and edible oil. Hamsters fed with GM soy were unable to have offspring and suffered a high mortality rate.


3. Cotton - Like corn and soy, cotton has been designed to resist pesticides. It is considered food because its oil can be consumed. Its introduction in Chinese agriculture has produced a chemical that kills cotton bollworm, reducing the incidences of pests not only in cotton crops but also in neighboring fields of soybeans and corn. Incidentally, thousands of Indian farmers suffered severe rashes upon exposure to BT cotton.


4. Papaya - The virus-resistant variety of papaya was commercially introduced in Hawaii in 1999. Transgenic papayas comprised three-fourths of the total Hawaiian papaya crop. Monsanto bestowed upon Tamil Nadu Agricultural University in Coimbatore technology for developing papaya resistant to the ringspot virus in India.


5. Rice - This staple food from South East Asia has now been genetically modified to contain a high amount of vitamin A. Allegedly, there are reports of rice varieties containing human genes to be grown in the US. The rice will create human proteins useful for dealing with infant diarrhea in the 3rd world. China Daily, an online journal, reported potential serious public health and environment problems with genetically modified rice considering its tendency to cause allergic reactions with the concurrent possibility of gene transfers.


6. Tomatoes - Tomatoes have now been genetically engineered for longer shelf life, preventing them from easily rotting and degrading. In a test conducted to determine the safety of GM tomatoes, some animal subjects died within a few weeks after consuming GM tomatoes.


7. Rapeseed - In Canada, this crop was renamed canola to differentiate it from non-edible rapeseed. Food stuff produced from rapeseed includes rapeseed oi (canola oil) l used to process cooking oil and margarine. Honey can also be produced from GM rapeseed. German food surveillance authorities discovered as much as a third of the total pollen present in Canadian honey may be from GM pollen. In fact, some honey products from Canada were also discovered to have pollen from GM rapeseed.


8. Dairy products - It has been discovered that 22 percent of cows in the U.S. were injected with recombinant (genetically modified) bovine growth hormone (rbGH). This Monsanto created hormone artificially forces cows to increase their milk production by 15 percent. Milk from cows treated with this milk inducing hormone contains increased levels of IGF-1 (insulin growth factors-1). Humans also have IGF-1 in their system. Scientists have expressed concerns that increased levels of IGF-1 in humans have been associated with colon and breast cancer.


9. Potatoes - Mice fed with potatoes engineered with Bacillus thuringiensis var. Kurstaki Cry 1 were found to have toxins in their system. Despite claims to the contrary, this shows that Cry1 toxin was stable in the mouse gut. When the health risks were revealed, it sparked a debate.


10. Peas - Peas that have been genetically modified have been found to cause immune responses in mice and possibly even in humans. A gene from kidney beans was inserted into the peas creating a protein that functions as a pesticide.


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/035734_GMOs_foods_dangers.html#ixzz2JOsep7rK


say no to GMO !!! Natures doing just fine without genetic butchers !!!
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
You realize that this is not a test for food containing GM ingredients, but merely a test for its being processed. You are setting up an invalid identity between "contains GM" and "highly processed". I don't deny a great deal of overlap, but the correspondence is not absolute or durable. Gmo. cn

<edit> Ginja already made the point.
HFCS is generally from GMO corn, i'd say at least about 85% of the time, easily ranging to 95% or more. haven't looked at stats on it though, just generalizing based on what i know of our modern day food supply practices.
 

ginjawarrior

Well-Known Member
ok so are all these mice mentally ill or linked to CIA mind control? How about the farmers? Mentally ill too? And the inulin grow factor 1, (IGF-1), more lies to make people hate GMOs? Why are countries all over the world banning monsanto gmos? Those countries mentally ill too?

1. Corn - Corn has been modified to create its own insecticide. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has declared that tons of genetically modified corn has been introduced for human consumption. Monsanto has revealed that half of the US's sweet corn farms are planted with genetically modified seed. Mice fed with GM corn were discovered to have smaller offspring and fertility problems.


2. Soy - Soy has also been genetically modified to resist herbicides. Soy products include soy flour, tofu, soy beverages, soybean oil and other products that may include pastries, baked products and edible oil. Hamsters fed with GM soy were unable to have offspring and suffered a high mortality rate.


3. Cotton - Like corn and soy, cotton has been designed to resist pesticides. It is considered food because its oil can be consumed. Its introduction in Chinese agriculture has produced a chemical that kills cotton bollworm, reducing the incidences of pests not only in cotton crops but also in neighboring fields of soybeans and corn. Incidentally, thousands of Indian farmers suffered severe rashes upon exposure to BT cotton.


4. Papaya - The virus-resistant variety of papaya was commercially introduced in Hawaii in 1999. Transgenic papayas comprised three-fourths of the total Hawaiian papaya crop. Monsanto bestowed upon Tamil Nadu Agricultural University in Coimbatore technology for developing papaya resistant to the ringspot virus in India.


5. Rice - This staple food from South East Asia has now been genetically modified to contain a high amount of vitamin A. Allegedly, there are reports of rice varieties containing human genes to be grown in the US. The rice will create human proteins useful for dealing with infant diarrhea in the 3rd world. China Daily, an online journal, reported potential serious public health and environment problems with genetically modified rice considering its tendency to cause allergic reactions with the concurrent possibility of gene transfers.


6. Tomatoes - Tomatoes have now been genetically engineered for longer shelf life, preventing them from easily rotting and degrading. In a test conducted to determine the safety of GM tomatoes, some animal subjects died within a few weeks after consuming GM tomatoes.


7. Rapeseed - In Canada, this crop was renamed canola to differentiate it from non-edible rapeseed. Food stuff produced from rapeseed includes rapeseed oi (canola oil) l used to process cooking oil and margarine. Honey can also be produced from GM rapeseed. German food surveillance authorities discovered as much as a third of the total pollen present in Canadian honey may be from GM pollen. In fact, some honey products from Canada were also discovered to have pollen from GM rapeseed.


8. Dairy products - It has been discovered that 22 percent of cows in the U.S. were injected with recombinant (genetically modified) bovine growth hormone (rbGH). This Monsanto created hormone artificially forces cows to increase their milk production by 15 percent. Milk from cows treated with this milk inducing hormone contains increased levels of IGF-1 (insulin growth factors-1). Humans also have IGF-1 in their system. Scientists have expressed concerns that increased levels of IGF-1 in humans have been associated with colon and breast cancer.


9. Potatoes - Mice fed with potatoes engineered with Bacillus thuringiensis var. Kurstaki Cry 1 were found to have toxins in their system. Despite claims to the contrary, this shows that Cry1 toxin was stable in the mouse gut. When the health risks were revealed, it sparked a debate.


10. Peas - Peas that have been genetically modified have been found to cause immune responses in mice and possibly even in humans. A gene from kidney beans was inserted into the peas creating a protein that functions as a pesticide.


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/035734_GMOs_foods_dangers.html#ixzz2JOsep7rK


say no to GMO !!! Natures doing just fine without genetic butchers !!!
that is a wall of text with no proof of anything? little more than spam

no links to the studies to back up what the article is saying

it doesnt even say what study it is

is a piece of shit blog article that as an adult you should see isnt proving anything
 

ginjawarrior

Well-Known Member
HFCS is generally from GMO corn, i'd say at least about 85% of the time, easily ranging to 95% or more. haven't looked at stats on it though, just generalizing based on what i know of our modern day food supply practices.
cannabineer wasnt asking the likely hood of getting gmo HFCS now was he?

you werent talking about buying pure HFCS, you were talking about it being an additional ingredient in processed food and comparing that to home cooked farm fresh

are you deliberately being obtuse?
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
cannabineer wasnt asking the likely hood of getting gmo HFCS now was he?

you werent talking about buying pure HFCS, you were talking about it being an additional ingredient in processed food and comparing that to home cooked farm fresh

are you deliberately being obtuse?
who buys pure HFCS?

HFCS (or some other GMO additive) is on about 75% of everything in the store. so the IRL dilemma we all face is basically farm fresh or GMO.

just found an awesome hookup for truly free range, organic chicken down in tillamook at trask farms. gonna have to hit them up some day for a shitload of chicken.
 

Ninjabowler

Well-Known Member
Arpad Pusztai, Ph.D., received his degree in Chemistry in Budapest, Hungary and his B.Sc. in Physiology and Ph.D. in Biochemistry at the University of London in England. Over his nearly 50-year career, he worked at universities and research institutes in Budapest; London; Chicago, U.S.; and Aberdeen, Scotland (Rowett Research Institute). He has published close to 300 primary peer-reviewed papers and wrote or edited 12 scientific books. In the last 30 years he pioneered research into the effects of dietary lectins (carbohydrate-reactive proteins), including those transgenically expressed in GM crop plants, on the gastrointestinal tract. Since his contract was not renewed with Rowett as a result of disagreements, Dr. Pusztai has been lecturing on his GM potato research all over the world and acting as a consultant to groups starting up research into the health effects of GM food.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Árpád_Pusztai



here you go

Sources for the article
http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_11361.cfm
http://www.naturalnews.com/027226_food_GMO_foods.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/023004.html
http://www.sustainabletable.org/issues/rbgh/
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-02/04/content_9430645.htm
http://www.actionbioscience.org/biotech/pusztai.html
http://www.gmo-compass.org/eng/database/food/238.honey.html


Heres the links to the studies


There you go monsanto hitler and leader of the SS.

now theres nothing left for me to do but wait untill you come back with......lies, lies, lies, conspiricy against monsanto, lies,lies,no proof,no proof, GMOs are the best!, no proof, lies, lies!!!!!

&#8203;SAY NO TO GMO !!!
 

ginjawarrior

Well-Known Member
who buys pure HFCS?

HFCS (or some other GMO additive) is on about 75% of everything in the store. so the IRL dilemma we all face is basically farm fresh or GMO.

just found an awesome hookup for truly free range, organic chicken down in tillamook at trask farms. gonna have to hit them up some day for a shitload of chicken.
so 85% of hfcs is GMO (your number)

75% of you food has HFCS (your number)

= 63.75% of the processed food has GMO in

and as you say nobody buys pure HFCS it is always a minor ingredient in the food

so your taking the bad taste of processed food to be the fault of a minor ingrediant?

thats only there 63.75% of the time

yet because processed food isnt up to your "foodie" standards then GMO is not nutritious and makes your body feel bad?

yeah nothing dishonest about you conflating the issues there?
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
so 85% of hfcs is GMO (your number)

75% of you food has HFCS (your number)

= 63.75% of the processed food has GMO in

and as you say nobody buys pure HFCS it is always a minor ingredient in the food

so your taking the bad taste of processed food to be the fault of a minor ingrediant?

thats only there 63.75% of the time

yet because processed food isnt up to your "foodie" standards then GMO is not nutritious and makes your body feel bad?

yeah nothing dishonest about you conflating the issues there?
shitty math there.

if there isn't GMO HFCS, there is probably GMO soy lecithin or some other GMO additive. not taking that into account, are we?

do you even read a label before deciding to shove some shit into your body?

i mean, big corporations like monsanto would never do something potentially harmful in the name of profit, now would they?

it's probably just better to blindly trust the massive overhaul in our food supply, not ask questions, and not proceed with caution in any way, shape or form whatsoever.

MONSANTO: JUST TRUST US!
 

ginjawarrior

Well-Known Member
Arpad Pusztai, Ph.D., received his degree in Chemistry in Budapest, Hungary and his B.Sc. in Physiology and Ph.D. in Biochemistry at the University of London in England. Over his nearly 50-year career, he worked at universities and research institutes in Budapest; London; Chicago, U.S.; and Aberdeen, Scotland (Rowett Research Institute). He has published close to 300 primary peer-reviewed papers and wrote or edited 12 scientific books. In the last 30 years he pioneered research into the effects of dietary lectins (carbohydrate-reactive proteins), including those transgenically expressed in GM crop plants, on the gastrointestinal tract. Since his contract was not renewed with Rowett as a result of disagreements, Dr. Pusztai has been lecturing on his GM potato research all over the world and acting as a consultant to groups starting up research into the health effects of GM food.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81rp%C3%A1d_Pusztai
from your wiki
This resulted in a media frenzy, and Rowett Institute's director Philip James, after initially supporting Pusztai, suspended him and banned both Pusztai and Susan Bardocz from speaking publicly. He also used misconduct procedures to seize the raw data.[SUP][4][/SUP] The Rowett Institute published an audit criticizing Pusztai's results[SUP][5][/SUP] and sent the raw data to six anonymous reviewers who also criticized Pusztai's work.[SUP][6][/SUP][SUP][7][/SUP] Pusztai responded that the raw data was "never intended for publication under intense scrutiny".[SUP][4][/SUP] Pusztai sent the audit report and his rebuttal to scientists who requested it, and in February 1999, twenty-one European and American scientists released a memo supporting Pusztai.[SUP][8][/SUP]

Pusztai's experiment was eventually published as a letter in The Lancet in 1999.[SUP][9][/SUP] Because of the controversial nature of his research the letter was reviewed by six reviewers - three times the usual number. One publicly opposed the letter, another thought it was flawed, but wanted it published "to avoid suspicions of a conspiracy against Pusztai and to give colleagues a chance to see the data for themselves," while the other four raised questions that were addressed by the authors
if your going to dump a wall of links at #least you could take the time and trouble to bother fucking reading them

you want me to address the rest show you put some fucking effort in

here you go

Sources for the article
http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_11361.cfm
http://www.naturalnews.com/027226_food_GMO_foods.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/023004.html
http://www.sustainabletable.org/issues/rbgh/
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2010-02/04/content_9430645.htm
http://www.actionbioscience.org/biotech/pusztai.html
http://www.gmo-compass.org/eng/database/food/238.honey.html


Heres the links to the studies


There you go monsanto hitler and leader of the SS.

now theres nothing left for me to do but wait untill you come back with......lies, lies, lies, conspiricy against monsanto, lies,lies,no proof,no proof, GMOs are the best!, no proof, lies, lies!!!!!

&#8203;SAY NO TO GMO !!!
 

ginjawarrior

Well-Known Member
shitty math there.

if there isn't GMO HFCS, there is probably GMO soy lecithin or some other GMO additive. not taking that into account, are we?

do you even read a label before deciding to shove some shit into your body?

i mean, big corporations like monsanto would never do something potentially harmful in the name of profit, now would they?

it's probably just better to blindly trust the massive overhaul in our food supply, not ask questions, and not proceed with caution in any way, shape or form whatsoever.

MONSANTO: JUST TRUST US!
none of that changes your fallacious argument that processed food = bad therefore GMO is bad
 

Ninjabowler

Well-Known Member
who buys pure HFCS?

HFCS (or some other GMO additive) is on about 75% of everything in the store. so the IRL dilemma we all face is basically farm fresh or GMO.

just found an awesome hookup for truly free range, organic chicken down in tillamook at trask farms. gonna have to hit them up some day for a shitload of chicken.
I love having a freezer full of farm fresh food. Salsa, tomato sauce, apple sauce, peas, pumpkin, blanched chard. Theres a huge movement tward community gardens and coop food suppliers lately. I love it! When i was in Austin i was getting veggies from a coop and they were cheaper than in the store and they obviously has so much more flavour. These guy crack me up how they actually support somthing that is sub par. I like the best, not the worst, who cheers for the worst, thats just supid lol
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
none of that changes your fallacious argument that processed food = bad therefore GMO is bad
lol.

ok, so we're gonna be silly then, are we? we're going to imagine a world in which farm fresh GMO corn (not really edible unless processed) is one of our options?

OK, let's be silly then.

A PIG WITH A GLOWING NOSE IS NOT NORMAL. BUT ON GMO IT IS.



GMO: NOT EVEN ONCE
 
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