"Why does anybody need an assault weapon"

UncleBuck said:
so if some irresponsible gun owner down the street left his gun lying about and his kid killed your kid with it, consequences, or no?
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If somebody leaves their keys on the kitchen table and their kid takes the car without permission and kills someone, do the parents do time? In some cases yes, in some cases no. Your one sized fits all world does not work.
 
ginwilly said:
sometimes. One might even say it's case dependent. Some may do time, some may get a stern talking to. Some may get a new car from their insurance company.
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i have never driven a gun to the grocery store though and you have not answered my question. your neighbor left his loaded gun lying around and your son is dead now. consequences?
 
UncleBuck said:
i have never driven a gun to the grocery store though and you have not answered my question. your neighbor left his loaded gun lying around and your son is dead now. consequences?
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for some the grocery store is the woods out back, you'd have more luck getting groceries in that store with a gun than a car.

how old is the kid that killed my son? is he old enough to be responsible for his own actions? is there a history of trouble from this kid? has he ever threatened my son? have I ever talked to his parents about his threats to my son? Is my son less dead if he killed him with a steak knife? Is the parent punishment different depending on what manner his kid killed my son? Does the dad do 20 years if his kid killed my son with an AR but 20 months if he used an axe? probation for hair spray?

one might even say it's case dependent.
 
ginwilly said:
for some the grocery store is the woods out back, you'd have more luck getting groceries in that store with a gun than a car.

how old is the kid that killed my son? is he old enough to be responsible for his own actions? is there a history of trouble from this kid? has he ever threatened my son? have I ever talked to his parents about his threats to my son? Is my son less dead if he killed him with a steak knife? Is the parent punishment different depending on what manner his kid killed my son? Does the dad do 20 years if his kid killed my son with an AR but 20 months if he used an axe? probation for hair spray?

one might even say it's case dependent.
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guarantee that you would not be saying that if your son was dead because your neighbor left his loaded gun laying about.
 
Dr Kynes said:
the ar 15 is not a military weapon, it merely has that military look and feel. it lacks the defining characteristic of an assault rifle : Burst or Full Auto firing modes.

thats why it's called "Military STYLE"


the AR 15 is LESS powerful, LESS useful, and LESS effective at killing people or critters than the 70 year old deer rifle left to me by my grandfather.
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Please stop trying to help. You are making us rifle owners look insane
 
UncleBuck said:
i have never driven a gun to the grocery store though and you have not answered my question. your neighbor left his loaded gun lying around and your son is dead now. consequences?
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i drive my gun out to the woods for groceries pretty regularly...

whats your point? must we all abandon activities we enjoy simply because you do not indulge?

how does this effect the court's ruling in US v Miller that there IS protection in the second amendment for arms in general issue with the armed forces?
 
ChesusRice said:
Please stop trying to help. You are making us rifle owners look insane
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and how is that? because i do not oppose the ownership of guns who's outward appearance you find distasteful?

i dont care much for the styling on the scion line of automobiles, should my dislike for their hideously trendy cosmetic features be grounds to prohibit the sale of ugly ass hipster cars?
 
Dr Kynes said:
i drive my gun out to the woods for groceries pretty regularly...

whats your point? must we all abandon activities we enjoy simply because you do not indulge?

how does this effect the court's ruling in US v Miller that there IS protection in the second amendment for arms in general issue with the armed forces?
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Technically, in the ruling that Scalia wrote. Citing weapons in common use... Automatic rifles would fall under that category. So, maybe we will end up with more gun rights after the lib's manage to bring it to the courts attention that people like Chicago and New York are still in violation of federal law.
 
UncleBuck said:
guarantee that you would not be saying that if your son was dead because your neighbor left his loaded gun laying about.
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well of course not. I would be devastated and extremely emotional. There is no possible way I could think in a rational way for awhile. Smart people wouldn't let me do anything stupid during this emotional, irrational period I would inevitably and understandably go through.
 
budlover13 said:
But, ballistically speaking, he's right.
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No he is not. The AR platform and that of other "assault" rifles is designed to put bullets down range more efficeintly than other rifles. i could care less if it looked like a fucking brick. It puts high speed projectiles down range much better and faster than your grandpa's hunting rifle and facilitates reloading in a much faster fashion. So you can argue all you want about the term "assault" rifle. For all intents and purposes it does what it says.


And on a side note. .25 cents worth of sheet metal is all it takes to make a AR full auto.
 
ChesusRice said:
No he is not. The AR platform and that of other "assault" rifles is designed to put bullets down range more efficeintly than other rifles. i could care less if it looked like a fucking brick. It puts high speed projectiles down range much better and faster than your grandpa's hunting rifle and facilitates reloading in a much faster fashion. So you can argue all you want about the term "assault" rifle. For all intents and purposes it does what it says.


And on a side note. .25 cents worth of sheet metal is all it takes to make a AR full auto.
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Without replacing the trigger and auto sear?
 
ChesusRice said:
No he is not. The AR platform and that of other "assault" rifles is designed to put bullets down range more efficeintly than other rifles. i could care less if it looked like a fucking brick. It puts high speed projectiles down range much better and faster than your grandpa's hunting rifle and facilitates reloading in a much faster fashion. So you can argue all you want about the term "assault" rifle. For all intents and purposes it does what it says.


And on a side note. .25 cents worth of sheet metal is all it takes to make a AR full auto.
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Everything you said is true. Does that mean we as citizens don't have the right to own one? Someone could use your base statement and argue we don't need semi-auto handguns or bolt action rifles because of their efficiency compared to muskets. As weapons technology advances so does their accuracy and efficiency. I guess the real question is where do we draw the line.

I think it takes more than .25 cents in sheet metal to make a AR fully auto. You're going to need the M16 bolt assy.
 
mr2shim said:
Everything you said is true. Does that mean we as citizens don't have the right to own one? Someone could use your base statement and argue we don't need semi-auto handguns or bolt action rifles because of their efficiency compared to muskets. As weapons technology advances so does their accuracy and efficiency. I guess the real question is where do we draw the line.

I think it takes more than .25 cents in sheet metal to make a AR fully auto. You're going to need the M16 bolt assy.
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mr2shim said:
Everything you said is true. Does that mean we as citizens don't have the right to own one? Someone could use your base statement and argue we don't need semi-auto handguns or bolt action rifles because of their efficiency compared to muskets. As weapons technology advances so does their accuracy and efficiency. I guess the real question is where do we draw the line.

I think it takes more than .25 cents in sheet metal to make a AR fully auto. You're going to need the M16 bolt assy.
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[video=youtube;Yiq13s5n9uM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yiq13s5n9uM[/video]
 
mr2shim said:
Everything you said is true. Does that mean we as citizens don't have the right to own one? Someone could use your base statement and argue we don't need semi-auto handguns or bolt action rifles because of their efficiency compared to muskets. As weapons technology advances so does their accuracy and efficiency. I guess the real question is where do we draw the line.

I think it takes more than .25 cents in sheet metal to make a AR fully auto. You're going to need the M16 bolt assy.
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[video=youtube;ee1wfW58T2Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee1wfW58T2Q[/video]
 
ChesusRice said:
No he is not. The AR platform and that of other "assault" rifles is designed to put bullets down range more efficeintly than other rifles. i could care less if it looked like a fucking brick. It puts high speed projectiles down range much better and faster than your grandpa's hunting rifle and facilitates reloading in a much faster fashion. So you can argue all you want about the term "assault" rifle. For all intents and purposes it does what it says.


And on a side note. .25 cents worth of sheet metal is all it takes to make a AR full auto.
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Actually the rifling in the barrel is what puts the bullets down range more accurately. Are you recommending we diminish the accuracy of firearms?
 
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