my current set up, with CFLs.
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mr2shim
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Did you finally read your posts?
username1234567
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That is how our bodys work yeah.
A plant does not have a conscious. the unconscious runs 24/7. therfore plants can have 24/7 lights and not need to rest.
Hi,
CrakerJax explained some time ago something:
The molecule that plants use to protect themselves from the dangers of getting too much sun during photosynthesis has now been revealed by a combination of ultrafast spectroscopy and plant genetics. Plants rely on sunlight to generate chemical energy via photosynthesis. It's been known for more than two decades that plants protect themselves from excess light, which can lead to oxidative damage to chlorophyll and other key photosynthetic pigments. But the biophysical mechanism of this protective process--known as feedback de-excitation--has remained mysterious.
Chemist Graham R. Fleming, plant biologist Krishna K. Niyogi, and coworkers at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and the University of California, Berkeley, have now shown that zeaxanthin, a carotenoid known to be produced by plants in response to bright sunlight, is responsible for the protective effect [Science, 307, 433 (2005)].
Using femtosecond spectroscopic techniques and plant genetics, the team shows that exposing spinach leaves to intense light triggers the formation of zeaxanthin cation radicals. These cation radicals form when zeaxanthin binds to potentially dangerous photoexcited chlorophyll molecules. The zeaxanthin gives up an electron to the excited chlorophyll, yielding a chlorophyll anion radical and a zeaxanthin cation radical. These products subsequently undergo charge recombination, allowing the excited-state energy of chlorophyll to be safely dissipated as heat.
The study is "a major advance in understanding how feedback de-excitation works at the molecular level," comments Robert E. Blankenship of Arizona State University. It "points the way to studies in which this mechanism might be manipulated for practical uses," he adds, such as protecting artificial photosynthetic systems used for solar energy generation from light-induced damage.
Could genetics removed in a few years the memory of the plant that for hundread of thousands of years had?
Twelve12 on anothe site said something that makes some sence. Is there a logical reason why 24/0 is better? Is there science fact that 24/0 is better? I am asking becouse I can;t seem to find it
"It is safe to assume that you know about day and night and circadian rhythms and the bodies biological clock, well plants have them too. There is such thing as a time keeping protein and repressor proteins. In plants this protein is sensitive to light on the 24 hour cycle of light to dark, this protein in plants is called TOC, here is the latest information on it. At dawn repressor genes are activated by light witch over the course of the day slows the production of TOC and therefore decreases concentration, at night when there is no light to produce repressors, TOC levels rise and are circulated through the plant, especially near meristematic tissue where ALL plant growth occurs. It is this oscillation of TOC and repressors over the 18/6 cycle that keep hormones in regulation for vegetative growth.
During the 12/12 cycle- TOC and its repressors are at a certain chemical equilibrium(keep in mind the concentration and therefore times in cycle are different for all plants, cannabis seems to like 12/12 for its hormone equilibrium for flowering) anyways 12/12 TOC levels stimulate the production of flowering hormones- confused yet, hormones are coming up. Just like an athlete using steroids, never using your god given testosterone means you'll have stunted testosterone production when you kick the steroids. Same in plants, if you leave it on 24/0 cycle, you'll never achieve the proper hormone regulation for flowering, well you will get better vegetative growth,and buds too, just not nearly as potent as if you had done it the way natures intends, so remember, light and dark, cycles of TOC regulate expression of hormones, mainly gibberellins and ethylene."
CrakerJax explained some time ago something:
The molecule that plants use to protect themselves from the dangers of getting too much sun during photosynthesis has now been revealed by a combination of ultrafast spectroscopy and plant genetics. Plants rely on sunlight to generate chemical energy via photosynthesis. It's been known for more than two decades that plants protect themselves from excess light, which can lead to oxidative damage to chlorophyll and other key photosynthetic pigments. But the biophysical mechanism of this protective process--known as feedback de-excitation--has remained mysterious.
Chemist Graham R. Fleming, plant biologist Krishna K. Niyogi, and coworkers at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and the University of California, Berkeley, have now shown that zeaxanthin, a carotenoid known to be produced by plants in response to bright sunlight, is responsible for the protective effect [Science, 307, 433 (2005)].
Using femtosecond spectroscopic techniques and plant genetics, the team shows that exposing spinach leaves to intense light triggers the formation of zeaxanthin cation radicals. These cation radicals form when zeaxanthin binds to potentially dangerous photoexcited chlorophyll molecules. The zeaxanthin gives up an electron to the excited chlorophyll, yielding a chlorophyll anion radical and a zeaxanthin cation radical. These products subsequently undergo charge recombination, allowing the excited-state energy of chlorophyll to be safely dissipated as heat.
The study is "a major advance in understanding how feedback de-excitation works at the molecular level," comments Robert E. Blankenship of Arizona State University. It "points the way to studies in which this mechanism might be manipulated for practical uses," he adds, such as protecting artificial photosynthetic systems used for solar energy generation from light-induced damage.
Could genetics removed in a few years the memory of the plant that for hundread of thousands of years had?
Twelve12 on anothe site said something that makes some sence. Is there a logical reason why 24/0 is better? Is there science fact that 24/0 is better? I am asking becouse I can;t seem to find it
"It is safe to assume that you know about day and night and circadian rhythms and the bodies biological clock, well plants have them too. There is such thing as a time keeping protein and repressor proteins. In plants this protein is sensitive to light on the 24 hour cycle of light to dark, this protein in plants is called TOC, here is the latest information on it. At dawn repressor genes are activated by light witch over the course of the day slows the production of TOC and therefore decreases concentration, at night when there is no light to produce repressors, TOC levels rise and are circulated through the plant, especially near meristematic tissue where ALL plant growth occurs. It is this oscillation of TOC and repressors over the 18/6 cycle that keep hormones in regulation for vegetative growth.
During the 12/12 cycle- TOC and its repressors are at a certain chemical equilibrium(keep in mind the concentration and therefore times in cycle are different for all plants, cannabis seems to like 12/12 for its hormone equilibrium for flowering) anyways 12/12 TOC levels stimulate the production of flowering hormones- confused yet, hormones are coming up. Just like an athlete using steroids, never using your god given testosterone means you'll have stunted testosterone production when you kick the steroids. Same in plants, if you leave it on 24/0 cycle, you'll never achieve the proper hormone regulation for flowering, well you will get better vegetative growth,and buds too, just not nearly as potent as if you had done it the way natures intends, so remember, light and dark, cycles of TOC regulate expression of hormones, mainly gibberellins and ethylene."
hotrodharley
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Pot requires no dark period to live, only to flower.
hotrodharley
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You obviously know nothing about the differences between your sympathetic, your parasympathetic and your enteric nervous systems. Note the plural.
I don't want to argue or anything distructive. Do you have an article or something that sustains that? I have some young autos and I would keep them under 24/0. But it's not making sence to me that they don't rest at all. I see them at least how they develop alot more root during the few hours of dark.
hotrodharley
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You're kidding? This information is already out there and known by most experienced growers. And tell my daughter's BF about roots and the dark while his Blue Widow in DWC has almost filled the 5 gallon bucket it's in and is in need of being moved. Check out Cervantes and Rosenthal's books. You'll see as well as when other posters respond.
However, some breeders say on their web pages that their autos do best - best - at 20/4 while others say run them 24. A bonus - if there is one - to autos.
Sunbiz1
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I don't recommend it, but I have 5 plants on 24 hour light due to a timer breaking last week. They don't seem to mind it in veg, but I certainly would not try it during flower.
mr2shim
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It wouldn't flower.
bullwinkle60
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I grew autos one time and I kept my lights on 24/7. Worked out fine I harvested a tad over 4 oz from three plants. Only thing you should have done but didn't was to plant them in their final resting place. Autos don't like to be transplanted. As an aside I'd use 5 gal pots when you do transplant. Start veg nutes at the third week then flowering nutes after that. Use as many CFL's as you can and have a mixed spectrum of 2700K and 6500K. Happy growing. Oh and one more quick tip. Save yourself a lot of unnecessary grief and worry down the road and don't flip out over every little spot on you leaves when their vegging and even when their flowering. It's the bud your concerned with not the fucking foliage.
I've been growing for about 1 and 1/2 years now and each crop has been successful, Good luck and happy growing,you'll do fine.
I've been growing for about 1 and 1/2 years now and each crop has been successful, Good luck and happy growing,you'll do fine.
an all you do is bitch chap, sup? your stuff to shit to get you stoned?
an to the person who posted this, they look like they should still be in an incubator mate, i could be wrong, still looking good to say they arnt though, well done so far! and well done on gettin the lil babys through from seed, it can be difficult when you first start. keep the temps constant and keep that humo up!
an to the person who posted this, they look like they should still be in an incubator mate, i could be wrong, still looking good to say they arnt though, well done so far! and well done on gettin the lil babys through from seed, it can be difficult when you first start. keep the temps constant and keep that humo up!
Sunbiz1
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i do know about the sympathietc and parsympathetic nervous systems. we can disregard enteric nervous systems, becuase plants dont produce waste, or do they? is oxygen their waste? regarldess, they dont have bowels.
keeping the sun (and the stress on) will result in a very high strung sympathetic nervous system, and a plant that produces weaker buds. i read a tomato book, while you can grow a tomato with 24 hours of light, its not recommended becuase the fruits are much lower quality. the skin is too tough, like on a plum tomato (used for sauce) and the flavor is more sour and strong than sweet, kind and dull, like it should be. this is becuase the sugars were proccessed differently becuase of the stress. cannabis fruits also have to deal with sugar. when we dry and cure, we are convereting the sugar into other less harsh chemicals.
on top of the stress of working 24 hours, plants release hormones during their slumber cycles, concentrate on roots and stretch. the rest does them good.
i dont know much about ruderalis becuase i dont want to grow it. its a cannabis that adapted to our non ideal climate, and therefore it has little psychoactive activity. it really relies on the indica is crossed with. (ruderalis DOES have many anti inflammatory properties though just like indica)
sure, a cannabis plant can do fine under 24hrs of light, becuase weve exposed their genepool to that stress over the years, but its not normal or natural. its going against common sense.
rest is required to maintain homeostasis
keeping the sun (and the stress on) will result in a very high strung sympathetic nervous system, and a plant that produces weaker buds. i read a tomato book, while you can grow a tomato with 24 hours of light, its not recommended becuase the fruits are much lower quality. the skin is too tough, like on a plum tomato (used for sauce) and the flavor is more sour and strong than sweet, kind and dull, like it should be. this is becuase the sugars were proccessed differently becuase of the stress. cannabis fruits also have to deal with sugar. when we dry and cure, we are convereting the sugar into other less harsh chemicals.
on top of the stress of working 24 hours, plants release hormones during their slumber cycles, concentrate on roots and stretch. the rest does them good.
i dont know much about ruderalis becuase i dont want to grow it. its a cannabis that adapted to our non ideal climate, and therefore it has little psychoactive activity. it really relies on the indica is crossed with. (ruderalis DOES have many anti inflammatory properties though just like indica)
sure, a cannabis plant can do fine under 24hrs of light, becuase weve exposed their genepool to that stress over the years, but its not normal or natural. its going against common sense.
rest is required to maintain homeostasis
The Growery
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c3 plants do not require dark cycles, they photosynthesize as long as there is light available. cannabis is a c3 plant. keep your lights 24/0, you'll keep temps in the 70s where they should be during the winter. when spring hits you can consider 18/6 to save on electricity costs. you can change the light pattern as much as you want during veg. as long as you don't give the plant consistent phases of 12 hour darkness you can do what you like. you can't hermie a plant that is vegging.
Agree with the "incubator" suggestion, i grow/flower under a 600/400 combo but for the younguns Its into a plastic tote under a cfl or two with my clones untill they have a few nodes and have toughened up enough too stand the 400, nice little warm safe area for em to start even if its cold outside the tote