Is cannabis use a sin?
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I would like to know where it says that.
MikeHarrington
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Somewhere in the bible it says something like, "I give you every seed bearing herb," so I would assume that would be an OK from God. I'm also an Athiest, and I also find this interesting.
kevin
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I didn't see anything in THE EIGHT I'D REALLY RATHER YOU DIDN'TS.
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Guitar Man
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I try to live by this rule: anything out of moderation is a sin. This is not only supported Biblically, it is the Law of Nature. Look at Fire and Water: both of these can kill, yet are required for life to exist. Humans must find the balance of moderation, doing their best to refrain from over indulging.
I see MJ as no different than using any Herb on the Planet. Coffee, Tea, Aspirin, Narcotics, Sugar, Wine, all of these and more come from plants. The Key is, do your best not to go overboard in ANYTHING, including your Faith.
If someone is sitting on their ass all day long, stoned out of their mind and waiting for a Welfare Check, they may consider some changes in their life.
I see MJ as no different than using any Herb on the Planet. Coffee, Tea, Aspirin, Narcotics, Sugar, Wine, all of these and more come from plants. The Key is, do your best not to go overboard in ANYTHING, including your Faith.
If someone is sitting on their ass all day long, stoned out of their mind and waiting for a Welfare Check, they may consider some changes in their life.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Technically however a sin is a violation against a divine or supreme entity. Nature is neither, as it is not an entity. I question the applicability of the word sin in this instance. cn
Guitar Man
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God gave us Nature to understand wrong doing. It's that simple. Do right, you and I will reap the benefits. Do wrong, the same applies. You reap what you sow.
Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse."
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Romans 1:20 is a part of the NT that I find utterly offensive in its bald-faced falsity. It translates as "God is obvious in Nature, and if y'all can't see it, you are idiots". Total appeal to vanity to hide the absence of a demonstrable point. Interestingly, 2000 years of delving into nature have shown that it isn't and never was that simple. On Romans 1:20 alone the tyranny of the book can be broken. Jmo. cn
Nice Ol Bud
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This is outragious!
Guitar Man
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I completely disagree with your premise. You probably don't like that passage because it defies Homosexuality. I still find the application of Nature a valid one, mainly because I'm a doubting Thomas. I need to see the facts, not the bullshit of someone's idea that is based off of a specific Religion.
Nature is a direct gauge of our actions, good or evil. Do you believe in Global Warming?
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Forgive, but how-on-Earth does Romans 1:20 have anything to do with homosexuality? It has to do with the idea that Nature proves God's existence and basic properties by simple observation. This idea has not held up under scrutiny. It is one of the plainly wrong things in scripture, and conceals its plain wrongness under the threat of calling dissenters "without excuse" in your translation. cn
Guitar Man
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First, it's obvious you haven't read the verses that follow Romans 1:20. Do that, then come back and make a valid comment regarding what I said.
Second, you didn't answer my question about Global Warming.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I have read the book from cover to cover. My comment is valid. Romans 1:20 assumes as axiom that God is plain in Nature. This is incorrect, as evidenced e.g. by the almost limiting diversity of human religious thought.
Your question about global warming is not germane to the point. Especially asking me if I "believe" in it. I don't need to believe or disbelieve. Global warming will (or will not) take place entirely in the material world and is thus in the proper purview of science. I don't need to believe or disbelieve in it, only to wait. cn
Your question about global warming is not germane to the point. Especially asking me if I "believe" in it. I don't need to believe or disbelieve. Global warming will (or will not) take place entirely in the material world and is thus in the proper purview of science. I don't need to believe or disbelieve in it, only to wait. cn
Guitar Man
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You are still avoiding the point(s) by your play on words. In fact, you are not making much sense. You keep diverting away from valid questions and comments, which proves your ignorance.
Religion is man-made. Creation is not. This is why Creation is our greatest Teacher, as Humanity relies on vision to validate the truth. Creation corners every Religion into accountability, UNLESS, they refuse to base truth on the "seen", living in the bondage of the unseen.
Since you've read the Bible from cover to cover, then why did you say that you didn't see how Romans 1:20 relates to Homosexuality? Another point proving your ignorance. Any valid Scholar or Credentialed Bible teacher understands that this verse directly ties into to the remaining 12 verses.
Asking you about Global Warming does tie directly into my argument, and you know it does! I don't give a shit if you believe in it, like a Religion or some other dumb ass idea, but you must have an opinion of some kind regarding if it's the truth or not. IS GLOBAL WARMING REAL????? Yes or No?
Gobal Warming is the direct result of a Society that is not balanced with moderation.
420IAMthatIAM
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1Co 6:12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
1Co 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
Sand4x105
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Do you know the difference between "Adultery" and "Fornication"
Me neither, I have tried them both....they felt the same to me...
Sin is something you believe to be wrong...
Take you a glass a water, make it against the law... see how good the water tastes, when you can't have any at all...
Many years ago....I heard a Guest Youth Preacher say these words from the pulpit:
"If you can not get down on your knees, and ask God, to bless what ever you are about to do, then it must be wrong, and a sin"
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2 minutes later....
OK, I got down on my knees, prayed about it...and got back up lit it and it was good....
The Lord blesses my MJ... Sometimes, when I almost run out.... I find a bag under the couch, or between some sox in my sock drawer...
Coincidence or sign and gift from God? I say, God works in mysterious ways !
My X would get mad and scared when I would break out in Prayer, and words to God....
I'd just say, I am praising him, IN ALL THINGS....
Then she'd say something stupid, like "You're gonna burn...."
I'd just re-tort: "I serve a God with a sense of humor, sorry your god is a hard ass..."
She'd just shake her head and walk away....
Thank you Lord for all the goodness you bestow on me...
Thanks for keeping my plants healthy...
Praise be to God on the highest !
Amen....
It's all good !
Me neither, I have tried them both....they felt the same to me...
Sin is something you believe to be wrong...
Take you a glass a water, make it against the law... see how good the water tastes, when you can't have any at all...
Many years ago....I heard a Guest Youth Preacher say these words from the pulpit:
"If you can not get down on your knees, and ask God, to bless what ever you are about to do, then it must be wrong, and a sin"
...
...
2 minutes later....
OK, I got down on my knees, prayed about it...and got back up lit it and it was good....
The Lord blesses my MJ... Sometimes, when I almost run out.... I find a bag under the couch, or between some sox in my sock drawer...
Coincidence or sign and gift from God? I say, God works in mysterious ways !
My X would get mad and scared when I would break out in Prayer, and words to God....
I'd just say, I am praising him, IN ALL THINGS....
Then she'd say something stupid, like "You're gonna burn...."
I'd just re-tort: "I serve a God with a sense of humor, sorry your god is a hard ass..."
She'd just shake her head and walk away....
Thank you Lord for all the goodness you bestow on me...
Thanks for keeping my plants healthy...
Praise be to God on the highest !
Amen....
It's all good !
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
This valid, credentialed guy disagrees with you, and without the patronizing tone. Verse 20 is not about homosexuality in any way, but about the claim that God is demonstrable in the observable world, what you call Creation. And this has not been shown true by anyone.
http://carm.org/does-romans-1-condemn-homosexuality
Romans 1:20 is a restatement of Psalm 19:1-2, which says “The heavens are telling of the glory of God; and their expanse is declaring the work of His hands. Day to day pours forth speech, and night to night reveals knowledge.”
Imo this is one of those moments when the Bible descends into an orgy of unsupported doctrine. And when it does that, it seriously harms the idea that this is a divine text. In all this time, we have not found one bit of repeatable natural observation that supports either the NT or OT claim.
And that sticks in the craw of any who want to assert that the Bible is correct. My opinion.
As to global warming: do i believe it is possible? Definitely. Do i think it's happening? The data say "probably" but are noisy enough that we cannot cleanly winkle out the causative agents from the first-order effects. Can I determine how much of it is anthropogenic? No. I can make educated guesses but no declarations. Do i see it as a sign of "a society not balanced with moderation?" No, since 1) I cannot find a definition for that phrase, and 2) I have no evidence that the imbalance is a cause and not an effect, if it is indeed so. I counsel against confusing cause for effect for something something that might be neither. So ... what information about me does that answer, which I consider the best honest answer i can give, tell you about me? cn
Guitar Man
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I'm going to read between the lines; you're defending Homosexuality in Scripture. If that's the case, IMO, your interpretation is entirely corrupt. Again, Nature proves that Human Homosexuality is wrong and unnatural, and Romans 1 does defend my view clearly. Nature and Scripture, including the Old Testament, reveal the danger and result of this lifestyle. The Apologetics article you posted is Pro Gay, so they have an agenda to prove because of blinded sympathy. People twist the Scripture into their personal agenda instead of just reading it for what it is. Sexual perversion is polluting our planet with false ideas that will play out in Nature, and Mankind will reap what he sows.
What you're doing is exactly what the Scribes and Pharisees did; they twisted the Scripture into vain Laws that caused blindness to the Truth. Using Nature to help us understand is God's perfect way, as this was all that people had before the Cannon. Even when a written Word was available, the main populace had no access to it like we do today. Men and Women relied on the handiwork of the Great Creator for Divine Truth, as the oldest book of the Bible was written after man had been on Earth for 3000 years.
Hollywood, Politics, and even Religion are pressuring the World to accept this behavior, but Nature says, NO! Men with Men=no Children, and, this sexual liberty will lead to further diabolical perversions and diseases.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Your read between the lines is astray. i am not commenting on homosexuality one way or the other (even though it is true that I oppose scriptural arguments against, as well as scriptural arguments in general: they accept the authority of a troubled old book as somehow absolute). You claim that Nature shows homosexuality to be unnatural. How? I have seen it as part and parcel of nature, and the only arguments I have heard against are the usual and ineffective structural arguments. Y'know, tab A slot B sort of stuff.
What I am condemning (and you are not touching) is the claim in both Romans and Psalms that nature reveals God unambiguously. I find that to be colossally wrong, and am a bit bemused by Saul/Paul's need to threaten an insult of the reader's intelligence rather than substantiate the point, say with an example.
If you think Romans 1:20 is correct as it is written, defend it. Show me how a study of nature necessarily leads to the Judeo-Christian interpretation of theism. I do not think you can without cheating, i.e. invoking the word to defend the word. And that is the essence of a circular and thus useless argument. cn
eye exaggerate
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...Hi, neer and gm. I was always under the impression that the invisible forces of God (visible by way of nature) are the 3 primary forces. Can't see 'em, but without 'em - no thing. They become visible in matter.
...is it worth studying particle physics to 'see' the typical varieties of interactions? What is 'natural' at an atomic level? I tend to think that the 'little stage' looks a bit like our 'big stage'...?
"so that people are without excuse" means (to me) that a person 'plays god' with their own 3 primaries of thought, voice and emotion. If the 'mother' is a willing creator, we should use caution with our thought, voice and e-motion. That's my interpretation of Romans 1:20.
...is it worth studying particle physics to 'see' the typical varieties of interactions? What is 'natural' at an atomic level? I tend to think that the 'little stage' looks a bit like our 'big stage'...?
"so that people are without excuse" means (to me) that a person 'plays god' with their own 3 primaries of thought, voice and emotion. If the 'mother' is a willing creator, we should use caution with our thought, voice and e-motion. That's my interpretation of Romans 1:20.