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[Endur0xX]

maybe cal mag def?, light intensity? also you should be careful with misting your plants when the LEDs are on, it burns the shit out of my leaves. And is it me or your LEDs are very very very close?

 

[Chronikool]

Yip, It could be cal/mag....probably more magnesium. Yes, they are super close. (like almost touching) On my last grow (where i used my 30w floodlight) i was able to let the bud get less then 3cm from the light. Those plants showed no ill effects from that. The angle is 120-140 degree's so it can get that close without bleaching.

I think FranJan (and maybe Rasser (MIA) takes his lens off his floodlights, where as i leave mine on (Lazy!)

Yeah i only misted the Pineapple Express...not the others. I dont make a habit of it, just trying to decipher the problem.

Thanks for your suggestions EndurOxX....its always awesome to have a Level 37 'LED wizard' such as yourself watching the ranks.

 

[Chronikool]

Grow big in 2013 everybody!

 

[FranJan]

They'll run cooler wih the glass off. You'll have to back them off a bit if you do it since you lose a bit of diffusion and gain some output. The amazing thing is how dark the glass is. Do it and you'll see. And have you removed the transformers from the light? If they're using transformers, you'll really want to get them out of the grow area because of the heat they give off. My goal this summer is to remove all the drivers from my panels and have a driver farm.

Happy New Year Chroni!

 

[Chronikool]

There is another reason why i left them on, apart from laziness.

Because of my height constaints, the plants grow into the lens. If i take the lens off, they will grow into the LED and stop the light spreading to other areas of the enclosure. I also want to mix the warm white and cool white spectrums up.

The drivers, i have left in, because i actually need some heat in the enclosure. They are in a concrete hole in the ground....

So nah...i havent modded them at all....thought that would be stealing your thunder if i did....hehehehhe.

 

[Chronikool]

Acid Cuttings: Round 2.

So it has been 2 weeks since i last took cuttings and its that time again. Decided to take all 9 off the 'Acid' mother. Well i wont be neglecting them like the 1st lot, so hopefully i have faster results.



Have not put the 1st lot in soil yet as i cant see any roots on them, (even though they look green and healthy) and its 1st time, and its all experimenting and im curious rah rah...


Set up. Space is no problem....yet...

 

[Chronikool]

FINALLY I see roots poking out the sides on 2 of the Purple Hazes! My 1st cloning success!


Do i plant those into medium now or let them stick a few more visible roots out 1st?



My Purple Haze is really starting to look like a mother, lots of cloning spots to be had and healthy green growth....that will be my next round.

Starting to get my routine down now with watering/nutrient/LST schedule...ONWARDS!

 

[FranJan]

Do i plant those into medium now or let them stick a few more visible root...

I don't know. You tell us oh Child Abandoning Clone Masta!

So how many days has it been since cutting and those roots popped out? 10 is usual for me. 7 is great and 14 means find a new way .

 

[Chronikool]

I don't know. You tell us oh Child Abandoning Clone Masta!

So how many days has it been since cutting and those roots popped out? 10 is usual for me. 7 is great and 14 means find a new way .

Hahaha....maybe i'll just plant the 2 then...shrug?

Yeah, its being a while since the cut...16 days and i saw the 1st roots. A bit slow i know but i did neglect them when i went away for Christmas...hopefully the new batch will be within 14.....i can only improve.

 

[Chronikool]

Bit bored so decided to take some photos of the new clones and the 1st 2 potted plants (Purple Haze)


The clones look alot better then the 1st attempt.

 

[Alex281]

Things are coming a long nicely man! loving it

 

[stardustsailor]

Big bravo ,up till now ....
( Warm White .. More ..In future you should have a go with WW & NW ..
Instead of CW ...455-460 blue you get from WW ,if you have many of them ..
NW have approx same phosphor blend with CW ,but different chip ..
At 445-450 nm ...So if you use them instead of CW ,you get blue light that's missing ...
And my advise is to use -even in veg -a massive number of WW ...
As Fran said ,they have the such useful to clones/seedlings ,FR light ...
But anyway...Enough with the morning babblin' ...
Great job ...)


Plants under leds use way more Mg ,Ca and possibly Si ...
So ,have in mind the CalMag thing ...

 

[Chronikool]

Big bravo ,up till now ....
( Warm White .. More ..In future you should have a go with WW & NW ..
Instead of CW ...455-460 blue you get from WW ,if you have many of them ..
NW have approx same phosphor blend with CW ,but different chip ..
At 445-450 nm ...So if you use them instead of CW ,you get blue light that's missing ...
And my advise is to use -even in veg -a massive number of WW ...
As Fran said ,they have the such useful to clones/seedlings ,FR light ...
But anyway...Enough with the morning babblin' ...
Great job ...)


Plants under leds use way more Mg ,Ca and possibly Si ...
So ,have in mind the CalMag thing ...

Yeah, the mothers are as big as i need them, so that is no problem.....

Hmmmm....maybe change out the 10w cool white that i have over my developing clones and put a warm white or a couple more...i think i need something to hurry up the cloning process but will see what speed the latest ones root.

My flowering enclosure has 4 x warm whites and 1 x cool white...so it should be all good.

Thanks for your advice bruv! It is greatly appreciated.

Things are coming a long nicely man! loving it

Yeah...not bad....flowering cabinet not far away from being done...learning so much! The deep end is awesome....

 

[Chronikool]

Plants under leds use way more Mg ,Ca and possibly Si ...
So ,have in mind the CalMag thing ...

Molasses and sea kelp are the main Mg contributors to my soil at the moment. (by way of tea)

May add in some guano phosphate (contains Calcium and some magnesium and silica) and MSK (magnesium, sulphur and Potassium which also has traces of silica)

 

[stardustsailor]

Consider this as Organic Slow released CalMag source :
Lithothamnium Calcareum ( in powder or granules )
http://www.agrimer.com/en/algues/3-red/15-lithothamnium-calcareum.html

A german fert company ( DCM ) has an 100% Lithothamnium Calcareum fertiliser ...
Search about it ..
It does wonders ...(I use it for many years ..Also on tomatoes ...

What it is

At an early stage the company decided that they would leave the Calcified
Seaweed in its original, natural state. Trials with milled material showed
it to be difficult to process and handle, the fine grains edging their way
into the bearings of both processing and farm machinery. However, around 5%
of the company's 30,000 tonne a year production is still sold in milled
form. Of the remainder, approximately half is sold in bulk and half in bags.
Calcified Seaweed is a species of a marine plant known as LITHOTHAMNIUM
CALCAREUM. It is found in deposits in Cornish coastal waters. Its structure
is like that of coral and it builds this structure from the minerals and
trace elements which abound in sea water. It is hard and porous and it
breaks down slowly and steadily when applied to the soil. It makes available
to the plant its own considerable range of minerals and trace elements and
also 'conditions' the soil. It helps release minerals and trace elements
from the soil, applied fertilizers and FYM to the plant. The effect is an
improved sward, enhanced palatability and better feed value of the grass,
and, as a result, improvements to the grazing livestock. Is a safe, reliable
and effective product used to good advantage for pasture improvement and for
all types of cattle for almost 30 years. It is sold in 25kg, 50kg and 500kg
bags (6% moisture) and bulk (about 17% moisture). The network of around 30
sales agents; though sales are still primarily to the livestock sector,
important markets have been opening up in arable areas. It is also an
important aid to organic farming.
OPTIMUM pH

With ever increasing fertilizer costs it is important to maintain optimum
soil pH. Correct soil pH ensures the maximum utilization of added
fertilizers and the optimum conditions for bacteria and worms to multiply so
they can play their vital part in the breakdown and release of chemical
fertilizers and FYM.

Experience shows that an application of 5 cwt per acre on permanent
grassland every three years will hold the pH once the optimum has been
obtained.

http://onibasu.com/archives/cl/9434.html

Plants seem to absorb small amount of Si ,from perlite ,also....

1. Fertilizer including natural products, of the type comprising natural sodium nitrates, a calcomagnesian seaweed such as lithothamnium calcareum or maerl, natural phosphates and one or more products from the group comprising magnesium oxide, sulphur, magnesium sulphate, calcium oxide, copper, trace elements and a brown seaweed, characterized in that the proportions in weight of dry products of the various constituents are comprised between 20% and 88% for the natural nitrates, 1% and 25% for the calcomagnesian seaweed, and 5% and 60% for the natural phosphates.

http://www.google.com/patents/EP0012670A1?cl=en

 

[Chronikool]

Thanks for that Stardustsailor....i'll see if i can source that locally.

 

[stardustsailor]

Read about Ca & Mg here : http://www.biocyclopedia.com/index/plant_nutrition/essential_elements_macronutrients/essential_elements_macronutrients.php#ee


Some more about the ferts from algae , you should probably want to know : http://www.eplantscience.com/botanical_biotechnology_biology_chemistry/algae/algae_and_men/fertilizers.php

 

[Chronikool]

Good info. Thanks bruv.

 

[Campo Cultivator]

Consider this as Organic Slow released CalMag source :
Lithothamnium Calcareum ( in powder or granules )
http://www.agrimer.com/en/algues/3-red/15-lithothamnium-calcareum.html

A german fert company ( DCM ) has an 100% Lithothamnium Calcareum fertiliser ...
Search about it ..
It does wonders ...(I use it for many years ..Also on tomatoes ...

What it is

At an early stage the company decided that they would leave the Calcified
Seaweed in its original, natural state. Trials with milled material showed
it to be difficult to process and handle, the fine grains edging their way
into the bearings of both processing and farm machinery. However, around 5%
of the company's 30,000 tonne a year production is still sold in milled
form. Of the remainder, approximately half is sold in bulk and half in bags.
Calcified Seaweed is a species of a marine plant known as LITHOTHAMNIUM
CALCAREUM. It is found in deposits in Cornish coastal waters. Its structure
is like that of coral and it builds this structure from the minerals and
trace elements which abound in sea water. It is hard and porous and it
breaks down slowly and steadily when applied to the soil. It makes available
to the plant its own considerable range of minerals and trace elements and
also 'conditions' the soil. It helps release minerals and trace elements
from the soil, applied fertilizers and FYM to the plant. The effect is an
improved sward, enhanced palatability and better feed value of the grass,
and, as a result, improvements to the grazing livestock. Is a safe, reliable
and effective product used to good advantage for pasture improvement and for
all types of cattle for almost 30 years. It is sold in 25kg, 50kg and 500kg
bags (6% moisture) and bulk (about 17% moisture). The network of around 30
sales agents; though sales are still primarily to the livestock sector,
important markets have been opening up in arable areas. It is also an
important aid to organic farming.
OPTIMUM pH

With ever increasing fertilizer costs it is important to maintain optimum
soil pH. Correct soil pH ensures the maximum utilization of added
fertilizers and the optimum conditions for bacteria and worms to multiply so
they can play their vital part in the breakdown and release of chemical
fertilizers and FYM.

Experience shows that an application of 5 cwt per acre on permanent
grassland every three years will hold the pH once the optimum has been
obtained.

http://onibasu.com/archives/cl/9434.html

Plants seem to absorb small amount of Si ,from perlite ,also....





http://www.google.com/patents/EP0012670A1?cl=en

when I lived in the south of the uk during a college trip toThe Lost Gardens of Heligan, Mevagissey, St Austell, Cornwall, UK they used calcified seaweed here as their main fertilizer sourse It was the place that turned me on to organic vegedabale production with some amazing results you should have checked out the loam they had built up
what I loved about the place was the hotboxes where they heated small beds of enclosed pineapple's using fresh horse manure to provide the heat to grow a tropical plant in the uk climate superb place

 

[bioWheel]

Awesome!! Great info all around. Love RIU and y'all!