World Of Hempy

[Praetorian]

haven`t got one at the minute, but i`ve owned 12 of them in my time, from the standard 16v to sr20 conversion an fc`s aswell..... if you haven`t guessed yes massive drifter...

had the rest of the japper`s too, skylines r32 r33 and an r34 but the 32 is the best of the lot, the 33 are too heavy and if your going that heavy get a chaser, or a laurel... awesomefest when at full tilt around a few bends....

Nice bro! I would love an AE86, I truly doubt many other people on these forums realized what your screen name meant LOL.. I have been in various stages of a civic (EP3) for a better part of 8 years now...

Thanks for asking Dank!

I switched to flower one week ago today. Here is some shots from last Wed (19th)

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I should have another week or so of Stretch, and figure that will pretty much fill out the screen.. They are now Popping Pistils all over the place, so I guess all seems to be going well!! I fed transition nutes all last week 800ppm (.5), and switch to Bloom nutes tomorrow

I left the 400w CMH Bulb in place, and will continue using it throughout flowering.

Looks really good, Rusty, the biggest error in growing SCROG is filling the screen too much before 12/12, and that looks close to ideal. Will you keep bending through 2 weeks? Are you bending under or just tying tops to the screen??

Why not start with 2x600 just to until you get off the ground? 1000's are too hot for 2L.

1000s are too hot? Huh? My 1000w and 600w are vented through the same line with one 6" inline fan and my temps are fine. I could totally run 2 X 1000w w no problem.

So I've been just scouring the internet for a deal on a new 600 watt ballast. I want to go as big as I can for the 3x3x6 tent I'm currently using. To maximize height and yield I was wondering what suggestions would be had here at WOH since I will be graduating from 2L and moving more towards 1-2 gal buckets (thankfully they come black!) I would like these to be about 3' tall and I'll be trimming the undergrowth. Looking to pull about .5-.75 g per watt as a goal. Appreciate the guidance!

I have a 600w Digital Greenhouse ballast from HTGsupply, it has worked with no problems (other than melting down a standard bulb, I replaced with a Digilux bulb) in the year I have had it...

 

[Moebius]

1000s are too hot? Huh? My 1000w and 600w are vented through the same line with one 6" inline fan and my temps are fine. I could totally run 2 X 1000w w no problem.

I stand (or sit) corrected. ... I realized I should have phrased it better after writing.

What I should of said was, 'I don;t think 1KW's are needed for 2L's SOG' .. but as you have shown it's works great if you can vent and have the space.

Thanks for pointing this out!

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However, I would note that because 1KWs have a much wider light footprint, to use all that lumens one would need a much wider row of 2L's, maybe 10 -20 deep , in a 2L SOG it going to be very difficult to get in and water .. 600w provides a more manageable light profile to be able to get into water the things.

I've just read that 1KW have a footprint of about 5'x5' or 60"x60" ... thats 15 x 15 Hempys or 225 bottles. ... I like to space mine a bit so let say 14x14 but that still 196 Hempys to negotiate around and feed.

Lets say you are run the fewer number of 196 bottles. If it takes 20 seconds to feed each Hempy (3 in a minute) that 196/3 or 65minutes to feed them every time.

Its for primarily this reason that I suggest 1KW are better suited for larger and fewer plants that have been given some veg time... Although in this game, rules are made to be broken. LOL

 

[Moebius]

Spread that coco love Moe! There are so many good reasons out there for perlite/vermiculite hempy's....but outside of "world peace" and "world hunger", here's a X-mas wish that every hempy enthusiast has the chance to do a coco run just for the fun of the science and the surprise of a good tasting and bountiful yield. This was not so eloquently presented by Dahli Hempy himself. I'm lucky to have followed his advice based on the high flames in his coco conversion thread and his instantaneous, trite and temperamental responses to his flame-war "challengers". In some places coco is simply not available or convenient to use and I understand that. But sometimes I think that some folks have a hard time wrapping their minds around something "brown" in a hydro growing scheme, after all, a lot of us are venturing that dramatic escape from dirt and soil growing.

I'll try anything that looks like it might work for me. Ive used Coco before but only as an amendment to my soil building days.

I like the looks and feel of the stuff, not itchy like Rockwool. I broke up a brick of the stuff yesterday, forgot it was so fine, I was expecting a more chunky consistency.

When I build my CoCo Hempys, I'll defo be using a mix of both chunky and fine Coir.

Are you guys using coco as a 'living system' or just as an inert medium?

Doing some reading it seems to me the 'Gold standard' would be living hempy with Trichoderma, Mycorrhizae and all that good stuff. Unfortunately it seems RO water is essential.

 

[jela10]

Moebius, indeed the coir is fine in texture. I know it's hard to believe but you won't have to mix it with anything. It will hold the perfect balance of water and air. The miraculous part is; as long as there is a hole in the side of the container, it regulates everything. You can't even over-water coir if you wanted to.
I treat it as an inert "hydro" medium so there are no surprises with nutrient levels. I used to inoculate it during transplant and 2nd week of flower with beneficial microbes but found it really not necessary. Beneficial's eat your nutrients too. Coco has the natural chemistry to promote benny's on it's own and keeps a clean house as you will notice during breakdown and cleanup.

 

[Moebius]

Moebius, indeed the coir is fine in texture. I know it's hard to believe but you won't have to mix it with anything. It will hold the perfect balance of water and air. The miraculous part is; as long as there is a hole in the side of the container, it regulates everything. You can't even over-water coir if you wanted to.
I treat it as an inert "hydro" medium so there are no surprises with nutrient levels. I used to inoculate it during transplant and 2nd week of flower with beneficial microbes but found it really not necessary. Beneficial's eat your nutrients too. Coco has the natural chemistry to promote benny's on it's own and keeps a clean house as you will notice during breakdown and cleanup.

Phew ... that makes it easier. Fine Coir it is then.

 

[Rusty Shakelford]

Looks really good, Rusty, the biggest error in growing SCROG is filling the screen too much before 12/12, and that looks close to ideal. Will you keep bending through 2 weeks? Are you bending under or just tying tops to the screen??

Hey Praetorian -- Yep, I am still bending them over and will continue for the next week until stretch stops. This is my first SCROG, and what I have read says this is the way its done, so this is what I am doing and hoping all works out.

I the back right hand corner of the scrog, I threw in a HEMPY BIN, put it up on a small milk crate and transplanted 9 Clones that I had left over,, into it.. SO I kinda have a little SOG mixed in with my SCROG .. Didn't intend to do this, but what the hell, I hate just throwing away perfectly good plants, and as long as I keep my canopy even, it should pan out.

I am not tucking them, but rather just tying them down to the screen with twist ties .. Starting full Flower Nutes today!!

 

[jela10]

As I'm doing the mapito thing right now, I found this awesome video of an outdoor grow using it and just had to share it with you hempy brothers. Do you think this size bin would have worked as a hempy? I see a hole in the side but looks to be a flood & drain of sorts.
Thanks to chaka for the imbedding tip....

[video=youtube;JzHOHbr1vzA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzHOHbr1vzA[/video]

 

[jela10]

So I've been just scouring the internet for a deal on a new 600 watt ballast. I want to go as big as I can for the 3x3x6 tent I'm currently using. To maximize height and yield I was wondering what suggestions would be had here at WOH since I will be graduating from 2L and moving more towards 1-2 gal buckets (thankfully they come black!) I would like these to be about 3' tall and I'll be trimming the undergrowth. Looking to pull about .5-.75 g per watt as a goal. Appreciate the guidance!

Dank, can't tell you about the 1g buckets (I have some ready for a 12/12 from seed project one day), but the 2g I have mastered for several reasons and I actually stepped down from 3.5g buckets. I should mention that anything I tell you is in regards to 2g buckets shaped just like a 5g bucket you see at Lowes or Home Depot with several rings running around the top (not a washing pail with angular sides). The 2g "ringed" bucket offers a definite convenience over other sizes while still allowing 6 foot plants if the strain takes you there. First and foremost is the water amount during feeds. If you are anal with placing your hole (bad choice of words) such that the bottom of the hole is exactly 2" from the true floor of the bucket (not the stiffening ridge around the bottom) you will end up needing an even gallon of water to feed each bucket with just enough overflow to see that it did fill the res. This not only comes in handy when you are reading your nutrient charts and mixing but when hauling water as well. If you do RO water and have to move it from one location to your grow area, there is a large selection of durable polycarbonate jugs out there that will match your needs. I use 2 gallons to feed 2 plants at a time and I can mix the nutes directly in a 2g jug. I haul it in 3g jugs for quantity as 5g jugs can screw with an old man's back. Anyhow the 3.5g hempy buckets of the same type took exactly 1.5g per feed. No difference in plants except extra water and nutes to mix up. They also take away from available height in your grow area. I've always wanted to start a thread called "What can you do in a 2g bucket?" because I've had some amazingly bountiful bushes with yields of 1/2lb per pair. I've done a couple of auto's in the same setup that looked like regular photo-period plants. Also, black buckets are best and easily found at hydro stores in the 3.5g size but 2g will need a search on the internet. White buckets can be found at Lowes/HD or even Ace hardware but require painting or taping to keep the light out of the root zone.

The dimension for drilling the hole assume a 1/2" hole....you get the point I'm sure.

 

[jela10]

Did I just tell a guy how to anally place his hole so far off the bottom of a bucket without explaining the advantage of enlarging his hole to 1/2"....sorry for the illicit wordage Dank.....but yes the larger 1/2" hole allows air to escape during feeds . The rush of downward moisture pulls fresh oxygenated air in from the top of the bucket. A nice sized orifice down low allows old "stale" air to exhaust during the process.

 

[jela10]

Hmmm.......my wife is starting to throw stuff in the trash before I can analyze it's hempy capabilities. Got this in the nick of time before the trash truck arrived.

 

[Moebius]

Hmmm.......my wife is starting to throw stuff in the trash before I can analyze it's hempy capabilities. Got this in the nick of time before the trash truck arrived.

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Makes sense Jela, Never throw out today what you have to buy tomorrow.

 

[sky rocket]

I stand (or sit) corrected. ... I realized I should have phrased it better after writing.

What I should of said was, 'I don;t think 1KW's are needed for 2L's SOG' .. but as you have shown it's works great if you can vent and have the space.

Thanks for pointing this out!

edit:

However, I would note that because 1KWs have a much wider light footprint, to use all that lumens one would need a much wider row of 2L's, maybe 10 -20 deep , in a 2L SOG it going to be very difficult to get in and water .. 600w provides a more manageable light profile to be able to get into water the things.

I've just read that 1KW have a footprint of about 5'x5' or 60"x60" ... thats 15 x 15 Hempys or 225 bottles. ... I like to space mine a bit so let say 14x14 but that still 196 Hempys to negotiate around and feed.

Lets say you are run the fewer number of 196 bottles. If it takes 20 seconds to feed each Hempy (3 in a minute) that 196/3 or 65minutes to feed them every time.

Its for primarily this reason that I suggest 1KW are better suited for larger and fewer plants that have been given some veg time... Although in this game, rules are made to be broken. LOL

so on your opinion if I go with 2X600's or 3x600's. how many 2l's could I reasonable fit that would cover a footprint for xxxl magnum hoods.

 

[supchaka]

Hmmm.......my wife is starting to throw stuff in the trash before I can analyze it's hempy capabilities. Got this in the nick of time before the trash truck arrived.

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LOL Im pretty sure that is going to turn to mush

 

[supchaka]

She went into the tent today. I "think" its train wreck X fruity chronic. Labeling and note keeping can be useful, but you know I dont roll like that

 

[Shaggn]

so on your opinion if I go with 2X600's or 3x600's. how many 2l's could I reasonable fit that would cover a footprint for xxxl magnum hoods.

I would say, start with 2 - 600s and see if it works for you. I seen a groom (4x8 tent) where they did a run with 2 - 600s. Then they added in a third 600 to see if they would get a boost in yield. The outcome was the third 600 only added half of what the original 600s produced making it (for them) not worth having the third unit. This being said I only read it on the net and i'm sure it was a soil gro n not a hempy. Imo i'd do a run with 2- 600s n see if it makes u happy Peace!!

P.S. I'm just getting my first 2L hempy together in a 4x4 with one 600 digi and am starting off with approx 49 / 7x7.

 

[sky rocket]

I would say, start with 2 - 600s and see if it works for you. I seen a groom (4x8 tent) where they did a run with 2 - 600s. Then they added in a third 600 to see if they would get a boost in yield. The outcome was the third 600 only added half of what the original 600s produced making it (for them) not worth having the third unit. This being said I only read it on the net and i'm sure it was a soil gro n not a hempy. Imo i'd do a run with 2- 600s n see if it makes u happy Peace!!

P.S. I'm just getting my first 2L hempy together in a 4x4 with one 600 digi and am starting off with approx 49 / 7x7.

Good looking out moebius and shaggn. I guess I will start out with 2x600's. Keep us posted on your setup Shaggn.

 

[Moebius]

OK ... I think it may be acceptable to say a Magnum XXL 600W can cover 4'x4'. or 48"x48" .. 12x12 = 144 2LHempys

*Back of a ciggy packet working out* DONT HOLD ME TO IT.

realistically I would say between 100-120 or lower if you space them.
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I just want to say that Magnum light profiles are completely different than regular hoods. I use my Magnum very close to the plants because of my height restrictions, I can only get 60 2LHempys max but I run less.

Sorry I can't give a better more definitive answer but the ambiguity comes from not knowing how high you may have the reflector and its footprint. Too many variables really for my small brain. You just have to go for it my friend.

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[Shaggn]

I think Sky said they r in a 5x9 tent. So if the hood covers in a 4x4 pattern, may have to raise the hood 2-4" to get your extra foot of coverage. That being said the light will be contained with the reflective walls. I ran 2-600s in approx a 5x9 (homemade) room under parabolics and would get on avg 19-22z per light (sog in soil) and the walls were not that good for reflection. I look forward to your grolog SkyR

I have decided to start my hempys in party cups for about 5 days n then transplant to the 2L to give them a better head start. Clones are just starting to get the bumps, be about 2-3 days max n they will be spitting out roots . I recently picked up a 2x4 tent for veg. Will have 3-4 / t-5s for the moms (prolly 3 moms in 3 gal bags) at the bottom with 1 shelf above for the clones/party cups as they come along. Soon after Christmas I will start my grolog. More excited about my first hempy run than Christmas lol.

I wish everyone a Merry Christmas and to enjoy good food n laughs with family n friends, be safe.

 

[Moebius]

Just starting a new round of 2L's. These are 'Royal Cheese' bare-root clones fresh from my DIY Aero.

The Mapito was pre-soaked in 1/2 strength Veg nutes at pH 6.3 and I gently placed my clones amongst the Mapito.

The clones felt a bit wobbly so I filled around them with about 2cm of coir.

 

[Moebius]

I'm just getting my first 2L hempy together in a 4x4 with one 600 digi and am starting off with approx 49 / 7x7.

To me that sounds like a very realistic number and similar to what I do, I just wish I could have 1ft more height.