Beefbisquit
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Agreed, and I was using the two words interchangeably without realizing that some people could distinguish the two differently. I was more accurately referring to murder.
Here it comes - gun control!!!
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kpmarine
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I thought "Intrinsic" implied that it was something that it was predominantly meant for. A frozen steak can be used to drive a small nail, it does not make it intrinsically a hammer. It is still primarily intended to be used as food.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
It's an important distinction, because the conflation of the terms spuriously supports antigun argumentation. cn
Mr Neutron
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You, my friend, recognize the importance of accuracy. (pun intended)
Whether in shooting skills or language skills.
Beefbisquit
Well-Known Member
Agreed.
If findings showed that 'homicide' increased, but 'murder' decreased with exaggerated gun liberty, I would certainly have to re-evaluate my stance. That would essentially show a trend that more 'baddies' were being killed than innocent people.
I'm not infallible, nor impervious to compelling evidence.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I would say "intrinsic" means that it is in the article's nature but without implications of design. A rock in the right size/shape range is intrinsically a good weapon, but that cannot be argued to be the rock's purpose. And until someone discovered knapping, there was no design involved.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Thank you, Beef.
I do wish better data existed on the prevalence/efficacy of defensive gun use. At this point I am forced to rely on indirect indicators, like the surge in violent crime in the UK and Australia after major gun restriction/removal campaigns. cn
Beefbisquit
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Bear, I in no way, shape, or form, advocate banning guns. I love my guns, and I love talking about them, letting people use them, and using other peoples guns in return. It's one of my favorite things about the range I belong to, everyone wants you to try their 'new toy' out.
My entire stance boils down to this I guess;
I would sacrifice a tiny piece of peoples liberty (making people use trigger locks, or gun safes, and making CCW holders submit to more extensive testing) if it helped stop more violent crime than it caused.
Blame it on the little "Utilitarian" inside me.
kpmarine
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I looked it up in the Merriam-Webster's dictionary.
Adj.
1 a : belonging to the essential nature or constitution of a thing
I think we may have been misusing the word in general, from a grammatical perspective. I think a good knife is intrinsically sharp, that makes it a good weapon but not intrinsically a weapon. Hopefully I'm making sense so someone can tell me if I'm right or wrong.
Oh, never mind, it seems cn got that covered.
Adj.
1 a : belonging to the essential nature or constitution of a thing
I think we may have been misusing the word in general, from a grammatical perspective. I think a good knife is intrinsically sharp, that makes it a good weapon but not intrinsically a weapon. Hopefully I'm making sense so someone can tell me if I'm right or wrong.
Oh, never mind, it seems cn got that covered.
Beefbisquit
Well-Known Member
Hmmm... seems to me, the 'essential nature' of something could very well be argued from a 'design' standpoint.
Doer
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Everything we know has a basis in weapons and warfare. So, I strongly agree, er, uh, I second the disagreement.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Beefbisquit
Well-Known Member
Sorry, everything we know has basis in weapons and warfare? I might not be interpreting this correctly, but how do condoms have a basis in weapons and warfare? How do post-it notes have a basis in weapons and warfare? How do breast pumps have a basis in warfare?
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I would suggest that a good knife is intrinsically sharpenable. The mark of good blade steel is how fine an edge it can acquire. You can sharpen and sharpen a lousy knife (using good technique) and it will not get sharper, just eventually smaller.
I have a few good but neglected knives. cn
budlover13
King Tut
Again, trigger locks do no good in an emergency. If the doorbell rang right now, we aren't expecting company and i would answer it armed. It's on my side right now and quite often is because it does me no good if it's not accessible to ME.Bear, I in no way, shape, or form, advocate banning guns. I love my guns, and I love talking about them, letting people use them, and using other peoples guns in return. It's one of my favorite things about the range I belong to, everyone wants you to try their 'new toy' out.
My entire stance boils down to this I guess;
I would sacrifice a tiny piece of peoples liberty (making people use trigger locks, or gun safes, and making CCW holders submit to more extensive testing) if it helped stop more violent crime than it caused.
Blame it on the little "Utilitarian" inside me.
Now, i go take a shower and the gun comes off obviously. No way in hell am i locking it up. i lay it beside my clothes and put it back on when done. It's not a matter of paranoia, it's a matter of common sense. If i don't have it or have easy access to it, it does no good.
Beefbisquit
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Shenanigans.
[video=youtube_share;jZHx_uNRCR0]http://youtu.be/jZHx_uNRCR0[/video]
Professionals can sharpen any blade.
Beefbisquit
Well-Known Member
Perhaps I will post a video of me removing my trigger lock sometime. Smooth is fast, and perfect practice makes perfect.
If you could get through my door with an axe or something similar before I can get my 12ga ready, I'd be very surprised.
budlover13
King Tut
The test of a good knife is how well it HOLDS it's edge.
Beefbisquit
Well-Known Member
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
That is one test. Another is its degree of sharpenability. Some damned good steel goes into straight razors.
(lol. I still remember the guy who sold me a Buck knife with that exact same pitch. I spent a long time trying to properly sharpen that really rather indifferent bit of steel.) cn