So how about banning all semi-automatic weapons?

[unohu69]

No doubt, what happened in CT was a tragedy. But since everyone is so concerned about the children, why not worry about some of the missing ones?

The U.S. Department of Justice reports

• Nearly 800,000 children younger than 18 are missing each year, or an average of 2,185 children reported missing each day.
• More than 200,000 children were were abducted by family members.
• More than 58,000 children were abducted by nonfamily members.
• 115 children were the victims of “stereotypical” kidnapping. These crimes involve someone the child does not know or a slight acquaintance who holds the child overnight, transports the child 50 miles or more, kills the child, demands ransom, or intends to keep the child permanently.

[Andrea J. Sedlak, David Finkelhor, Heather Hammer, and Dana J. Schultz. U.S. Department of Justice. "National Estimates of Missing Children: An Overview" in National Incidence Studies of Missing, Abducted, Runaway, and Thrownaway Children. Washington, DC: Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, Office of Justice Programs, U.S. Department of Justice, October 2002, page 5.]

 

[nontheist]

Government hasn't shot children citizens since waco. they are a bit more trustworthy.

No not yet but they shoot the handicap, paraplegics, and mentally incompetent homeless people. That's the problem with you liberals your priorities are all fucked up.

 

[hotrodharley]

Eliminate gun free zones. Armed self defense has been shown to be effective.

I taught for 3 years at a medical magnet high school. No armed teachers, please. However, we did have 1 armed school district cop and 1 city porker who were at that high school every day, all day. It was so effective that 2 boys were running, one after the other with a (what turns out to be toy) gun. Immediate lockdown announced and those boys were staring down the barrels of 2 cops guns. Within 2 minutes tops. The mere mention of the word "gun" and they flew. I'm for more of those cops. Trained and there to do one thing. Not teach.

BTW it was a scene they were filming for a creative arts class movie. They were stupid but not totally stupid. Kids assuming.

 

[Wilksey]

 

[TroncoChe]

No not yet but they shoot the handicap, paraplegics, and mentally incompetent homeless people. That's the problem with you liberals your priorities are all fucked up.

They did blow up Anwar al-Awlaki kids and they was citizens.

 

[ginwilly]

I would be more inclined to have armed security at schools. If this were widely known the crazy man either doesn't even try, or he's taken out early.

This type of story doesn't get any play.

 

[desert dude]

You rang? ............

 

[hotrodharley]

No doubt, what happened in CT was a tragedy. But since everyone is so concerned about the children, why not worry about some of the missing ones?

The U.S. Department of Justice reports

• Nearly 800,000 children younger than 18 are missing each year, or an average of 2,185 children reported missing each day.
• More than 200,000 children were were abducted by family members.
• More than 58,000 children were abducted by nonfamily members.
• 115 children were the victims of “stereotypical” kidnapping. These crimes involve someone the child does not know or a slight acquaintance who holds the child overnight, transports the child 50 miles or more, kills the child, demands ransom, or intends to keep the child permanently.

[Andrea J. Sedlak, David Finkelhor, Heather Hammer, and Dana J. Schultz. U.S. Department of Justice. "National Estimates of Missing Children: An Overview" in National Incidence Studies of Missing, Abducted, Runaway, and Thrownaway Children. Washington, DC: Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, Office of Justice Programs, U.S. Department of Justice, October 2002, page 5.]

I do worry about the missing ones. Every day I worked in ER or OR I looked at every face and would look regularly on the web sites for missing and exploited children. Never identified a single kid but still did it anyway.

I worry about those whose parents abuse them. Not a spanking or 3 but real abuse that scars the psyche as well as the body if not more so.

Kids going hungry. Not hungry for a snack or hungry before supper but no supper. By the time they hit ER they are spilling protein and damaging kidneys for life.

Killing innocent kids here or anywhere else is simply not acceptable. No matter the means by which they died.

 

[deprave]

My understanding is that the vast majority of these shooters used semi-automatics. They did not use revolvers or hunting weapons. If this is the case, wouldn't the numbers of casualties go down if they were forced to reload after 6 shots?

I see you don't even know the definition of semi-automatic

 

[FootballFirst]

The hole in every gun control argument is that nowhere in history has a government proven to be infallible and completely benevolent. The 2nd Amendment was added to protect ourselves from the government. The authors of the Constitution of the Unite States saw that through the annals of history, government has a bad habit of oppressing its citizens to further its own self interest and the citizens have no recourse. They built recourse into our founding document. It really was brilliant.

People who advocate gun control seem to think that the government is a trustworthy and benign entity that would never think to breach the trust of its citizens. Again, the chapters of history paint the exact opposite picture.

Show me what limits on the government's power to confiscate my money that you think is acceptable and I'll show you what level of gun control I think is acceptable.

The government works for us, not the other way around.

I don't even care about hunting or sport shooting, those reasons pale in comparison to defense against an oppressive government.

 

[canndo]

I do worry about the missing ones. Every day I worked in ER or OR I looked at every face and would look regularly on the web sites for missing and exploited children. Never identified a single kid but still did it anyway.

I worry about those whose parents abuse them. Not a spanking or 3 but real abuse that scars the psyche as well as the body if not more so.

Kids going hungry. Not hungry for a snack or hungry before supper but no supper. By the time they hit ER they are spilling protein and damaging kidneys for life.

Killing innocent kids here or anywhere else is simply not acceptable. No matter the means by which they died.

But you see, even as much as most of us say such things - it really is perfectly acceptable. This shooting and the next and the one after that will make news, we will read of the grief of the parents and the upset of the survivors. We will marvel at those who knew the shooter saying "he was a quiet man", and "he was kind to his mother and the mailman", and we will finally mark the shooter as just one more poor crazy person but ... no need to change anything because it really can't be helped. And the moment we say it can't be helped and turn away, the entire situation becomes "acceptable".

And it does matter how they die. If they drown in a pool that wasn't fenced, we will inist that people don't have the freedom to have unfenced pools. If they are poisoned by tampered with Bayer aspirin we will find the guy who tampered and there will be a circus trial. If the children are killed from a bad flu shot we will do everything we can to prevent that from happening again short of prosecuting the president of the company for neglegence but so long as those children were shot, nothing will be done. And this is why I say that thosee children died for our right to keep and bear.

 

[canndo]

I see you don't even know the definition of semi-automatic

Here is the assault. I make a point and I am called stupid, I am not one of those in the know, I can't possibly know anything at all about firearms or I have no common sense or I am an anti-gun no nothing. Right?

 

[cannabineer]

The people actually do want gun restrictions.

Can you show me that this is the case? "The people" are not a monolith! If "more thna half of all people", okay, but I'd still need to see it supported by people and not media editors.

What they respect about the 2nd amendment varies greatly. The problem is that the left is getting amped "every time something like this happens" more and more because "something like this" is happening more and more often. We agree that in the long run nothing is going to change but I would like to see both sides begin to tell the truth. "shit happens" - is the common response from the right and it doesn't wash anymore. "this shit can be stopped" - is the refrain from the left and it is not accurate. First we tell the truth, that we really don't mind children getting mowed down in their own schools, we really believe that our rights are more important than those children's lives. Let us stop lying about this and accept the fact that we don't really care enough to do anything about it, and the right doesn't care enough to accept their complicity in it.

I do not think "not having a good answer" can be cast as apathy. When you say "complicity" you are saying that by supporting gun rights, the right are guilty of murder. Am i reading that right? cn

 

[CSI Stickyicky]

Why not ban marijuana? Surely, if it was illegal, nobody could obtain it, right? As we all know, herb is REALLY hard to find now that it's been federally illegal since 1937, so semi-autos would disappear immediately from the streets if we banned them, right?

You see how much sense that makes?

If you force semi-autos into the black market, only criminals will have them. It will sure be a hell of a lot harder to stop a criminal with a semi-auto for a law abiding CCW permit holder who has to reload if he needs more than 6 shots. Passing legislation to make semi-autos illegal will only harm the innocents.

 

[canndo]

The hole in every gun control argument is that nowhere in history has a government proven to be infallible and completely benevolent. The 2nd Amendment was added to protect ourselves from the government. The authors of the Constitution of the Unite States saw that through the annals of history, government has a bad habit of oppressing its citizens to further its own self interest and the citizens have no recourse. They built recourse into our founding document. It really was brilliant.

People who advocate gun control seem to think that the government is a trustworthy and benign entity that would never think to breach the trust of its citizens. Again, the chapters of history paint the exact opposite picture.

Show me what limits on the government's power to confiscate my money that you think is acceptable and I'll show you what level of gun control I think is acceptable.

The government works for us, not the other way around.

I don't even care about hunting or sport shooting, those reasons pale in comparison to defense against an oppressive government.

Yet the presumption of many gun owners is that they are singlehandedly protecting us from governmental tyranny. They aren't. Your and your neighbor's guns will not protect us from any modern assault on our rights - that time is long over. If you don't care about personal defense and you don't care about hunting then there really is no reason for firearms in the hands of citizens.

 

[cannabineer]

Yet the presumption of many gun owners is that they are singlehandedly protecting us from governmental tyranny. They aren't. Your and your neighbor's guns will not protect us from any modern assault on our rights - that time is long over. If you don't care about personal defense and you don't care about hunting then there really is no reason for firearms in the hands of citizens.

While I harbor no Rambo fantasies and don't care for the Tacticool look ... I do think that individual gun ownership has value in keeping gov't honest, even if that value seems small today. Declaring "that time is long over" doesn't make it so. And if we do have a serious economic time of troubles ... individual gun ownership will matter a lot. I'm not talking about Hollywood-style social collapse. A return to the '30s would do. I don't know how firmly I holds this opinion, but just as you viscerally react to gun defense stats, so do i viscerally react to the idea that we are permanently stripped of power ... even if at this moment there's not much to say otherwise. A hundred million guns, especially battlefield-style, would be a powerful deterrent to serious door-to-door action like the Kristallnacht was ... cn

 

[NoDrama]

Well I can't prove anything.....But I think Osama got chased right through afganistan into pakaistan, and you know the rest of the story.....and I think Osama was from Saudi Arabia.....So there is the connection for those 19 POS from Saudi Arabia....Thats 19 plus one=...20 POS from saudi Arabia.......That all had something to do with Afganistan....the facts are the facts I can't change them.....

You do realize that there leader was hiding in afganistan.....The leader of those 19 POS your talking about?.....................nitro..

I thought Bin ladin was dead? Why are we in Afghanistan again? You do know that we still wage war there right? Because Bin Laden passed through on his way to Pakistan right?

To tell you the truth, I don't really think you are able to distinguish the facts from the lies on this subject.

 

[Doer]

My understanding is that the vast majority of these shooters used semi-automatics. They did not use revolvers or hunting weapons. If this is the case, wouldn't the numbers of casualties go down if they were forced to reload after 6 shots?

Banning? Like banning cannabis, tobacco, alcohol, sex, killing? What good, really, does banning do?

Ban all movies with gun spraying? You see how this banning argument can proceed.

 

[NoDrama]

The people can want restrictions all they want, some good it will do when you need to amend the constitution to actually do it.

 

[Dr Kynes]

My understanding is that the vast majority of these shooters used semi-automatics. They did not use revolvers or hunting weapons. If this is the case, wouldn't the numbers of casualties go down if they were forced to reload after 6 shots?

uhh. my favorite hunting gun is my grandfather's remington model 8, a SEMI AUTOMATIC RIFLE made in 1940.
what about double action revolvers? they could be considered "semi-automatic" in that all you do is pull the trigger.
operating a bolt action rifle is not particularly slower than a semi automatic in aimed fire, maaybe my enfeild (10 round magazine ZOMG) should be banned? psst. its made in 1918.
what about my colt 1911? it's semi automatic too (even though it was designed more than 100 years ago..)
or is that ok since it's not all modern and shit like my sig sauer?
how about my grandpappy's .45 colt single action army? i can fan that puppy faster than you can shoot a semi-auto.
my mom's .357 has to go too, then.
maybe we should just ban all guns that make lefties feel bad?
what about knives? baseball bats? pointed sticks? bows and arrows? slingshots? sacks full of doorknobs?

lefites always want "just a little bit" before they start taking it all.

we've seen the leftist "reasonableness" become "well we can do this little thing, so we can do anything!" already. we wont believe you again.

not a chance.