eCONOMIC THEORY

[abandonconflict]

Impossible, you might as well ask the lion to not eat the gazelle. Just because we're the smartest animal doesn't cancel the fact out.

We aren't alking lions and gazelles, we're talking humans and humans. You said I bounce around and don't give straight answers, what is with the bad analogies?

So you do want peace?

 

[nontheist]

We aren't alking lions and gazelles, we're talking humans and humans. You said I bounce around and don't give straight answers, what is with the bad analogies?

So you do want peace?

I would go to war if necessary if it was to better my country AKA tribe. The majority think that way, we're a easy lot to manipulate it is what it is.

Also lion and gazelles were not meant as a straw man, I was just pointing out it is about as logical. What you envision will never come you want to strip that bad emotion from humanity while leaving the good.

 

[abandonconflict]

I would go to war if necessary if it was to better my country AKA tribe. The majority think that way, we're a easy lot to manipulate it is what it is.

So do you want peace?

 

[nontheist]

So do you want peace?

No, I would rather have war then be told what to think.

 

[abandonconflict]

No, I would rather have war then be told what to think.

Would you want it in a house? Would you want it with a mouse?

 

[abandonconflict]

Would you want in on a boat? Would you want it with a goat?

 

[abandonconflict]

No, I would rather have war then be told what to think.

OK, so if nobody was telling you what to think, then would you want it?

 

[nontheist]

OK, so if nobody was telling you what to think, then would you want it?

Yes thats the answer you want I will play. Now tell me how you can achieve it.

 

[nontheist]

Come on Abandoned I want to hear how to can achieve world peace without telling anyone how to think or altering humanity as a whole. As a country we can't even figure out immigration and you got world peace in the bank. Shit you're on the verge of a Nobel I am sure fundamentalist will rejoice.

 

[abandonconflict]

This is your fundamental flaw on the view of humanity, not everyone wants peace and we will always find a reason to not like someone else. Documented history has never shown this, so please explain where you get this concept?

You just admitted you want peace.

I want peace.

 

[abandonconflict]

Come on Abandoned I want to hear how to can achieve world peace without telling anyone how to think or altering humanity as a whole. As a country we can't even figure out immigration and you got world peace in the bank. Shit you're on the verge of a Nobel I am sure fundamentalist will rejoice.

Do you want peace though?

 

[nontheist]

You just admitted you want peace.

I want peace.

HAHA and if you came spouting your ideologies here I have a feeling at the very least you would get a good beating. I don't condone that but I cannot control humanity only accept it and try to navigate my life where it will benefit me best. When another group of humans decide to wage war on you, you're kinda limited on options dont you agree?

 

[abandonconflict]

When another group of humans decide to wage war on you, you're kinda limited on options

So you condone Islamic Jihadists?

 

[nontheist]

Do you want peace though?

You're living in lala land, you cannot point to a single time where humanity has reached utopia and even if you could you would have to defend how it failed. What you can prove is how humanity has been fighting from as far back as we can study. When most of our made tools were weapons it should have clued you in.

 

[abandonconflict]

You're living in lala land,

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results

you cannot point to a single time where humanity has reached utopia

I haven't attempted to

and even if you could you would have to defend how it failed.

see second answer

What you can prove is how humanity has been fighting from as far back as we can study.

see first answer

When most of our made tools were weapons it should have clued you in.

actually, those tools were mostly for hunting

Have you noticed how you came in here accusing me of bouncing and going in circles and saying that my way of thinking was faulty for believing that everybody wants peace, then moving the goal post repeatedly? Have you noticed that you can't give a straight answer to a question, then when pressed, you make it look like your point was something different? You're a very dishonest person.

 

[Carthoris]

Yeah you basically did by insisting more than once that I argued pro state socialism. It's cool though, I'm glad to see we actually have some common ground. I always try not to ascribe views to someone that they don't ascribe to themselves.

You said using force to remove property from its owners was acceptable. That is why I said you were pro state socialism. Organized force is a government/state. It doesn't matter if you call it a union, a democratic order of workers, or whatever. When people band together to force other people to do things then it is a government.

 

[nontheist]

Have you noticed how you came in here accusing me of bouncing and going in circles and saying that my way of thinking was faulty for believing that everybody wants peace, then moving the goal post repeatedly? Have you noticed that you can't give a straight answer to a question, then when pressed, you make it look like your point was something different? You're a very dishonest person.

You're trying to make a point but wanting to ignore all factual proof that point is ridiculous, this has nothing about dishonesty from my end. I said world peace cannot be achieved because we cannot alter what people think. You act if peace is a tangible object and all you have to do is wish and it will magically appear we both know damn well this isn't how it works but you're trying to convey that it's possible and I am calling you on it. Arguing with you is like explaining down syndrome to someone with down syndrome, you may succeed but they still don't know what the hell your talking about.

 

[Carthoris]

No. It does not. Moore's law is specific to integrated circuits. Show me an equivalent in another core technology, like transportation or agriculture. I know of none. It is also why I feel that the great age of technical innovation has contracted down to what we're doing now with computers.

But you're skipping over my main point. To achieve true VR we need to attach the machine to self, and we don't even have a way of detecting that with our best instruments. It's not an engineering problem but a basic one of the two natures: human and material, and the absence of a converter or buffer. cn

Understood, but it took us thousands of years to figure out a use for the steam engine and less than a century to make computers the center point of our world. Technology is increasing faster every year.

I wouldn't be surprised if the government already had artificial intelligence in a workable form in a lab. If not, it will soon enough. Once it has that, I can only imagine that it will be turned towards some of the challenges like creating virtual worlds. Without bad habits, hobbies, ect the artificial intelligence could create those things or a better artificial intelligence. I think at that point the world would be so different because of the new technologies that it would be nothing like today. I think I have heard it called technological singularity. How far do you imagine we are from it?

 

[abandonconflict]

You said using force to remove property from its owners was acceptable.

No, I said it was probably inevitable. I oppose that and I oppose the conditions that would make that an option.

 

[Carthoris]

No. It does not. Moore's law is specific to integrated circuits. Show me an equivalent in another core technology, like transportation or agriculture. I know of none. It is also why I feel that the great age of technical innovation has contracted down to what we're doing now with computers.

But you're skipping over my main point. To achieve true VR we need to attach the machine to self, and we don't even have a way of detecting that with our best instruments. It's not an engineering problem but a basic one of the two natures: human and material, and the absence of a converter or buffer. cn

Transportation: Walking for tens of thousands of years, houses for a few thousand, Gas cars for 100, airplanes for 70, electric cars for 10. Things will continue to change wildly. Hell, compare a 2012 car to a 1970s car to a 1940s car. Then compare a 1940's car to the steam engine cars of the 1800's.

Agriculture: Nothing for tens of thousands of years, figured out some farming basics for thousands of years, irrigation ect, you haven't noticed production speeding up in the last few hundred years?

World wheat production. Yield and production go up, land use stays the same. Tripled in 40 years. You can't say that isn't due to technology of some sort. The increase has been faster in the last century than any time before in almost every technology.