Kite High
Well-Known Member
An INFORMED consumer can NOT be taken advantage of
Uncle Ben's Gardening Tweeks and Pointers
- Thread starter Uncle Ben
- Start date
Uncle Ben
Well-Known Member
That wisdom goes with everything you do in life. I literally spend hundreds of hours doing homework no matter if I'm buying a new coffee maker or a luxury car. But boy, do many like to do the blame game for their choices.
Uncle Ben
Well-Known Member
I only ordered the Blossom to have it handy in case I decide to use it. I must have a dozen different brands in different formulations, slow and fast release for most any occasion. I'm a commercial grower (not cannabis). For example, literally 10 minutes ago I used 1 Tbs. per 2 gallons of rainwater on a specially grafted grapefruit in order to correct a chronic chlorosis problem. My feeling is the good micro profile and triple chelate Fe in the citrus food should be the ticket. I'd recommend Dyna-Gro for soil-less but this formula might work if you supply Ca too, which is a macro element. I have plenty of it in the form of added dolomite and very high Ca in my well water.
Good luck,
UB
Kite High
Well-Known Member
I use DG Foliage Pro and still have to supplement with CAL-MAG using ro in soiless
And I do the same thing before I purchase anything....have never went into a Hydro store for them to guide me to what I need...I already know that before I get into my vehicle to go
ilikecheetoes
Well-Known Member
thanks UB. I have been using dyna-gro Grow for moms and vegging for awhile now.
For flowering do you recommend grow or foliage pro? I cant imagine you like the Bloom with its high P...
Foliar looks interesting with its 3-1-2. But I didnt really think of pot as a foliage plant. though it does have a lot of leaves Its hard to change the mindset of growing healthy plants vs growing massive buds on the end of dying sticks haha.
For flowering do you recommend grow or foliage pro? I cant imagine you like the Bloom with its high P...
Foliar looks interesting with its 3-1-2. But I didnt really think of pot as a foliage plant. though it does have a lot of leaves Its hard to change the mindset of growing healthy plants vs growing massive buds on the end of dying sticks haha.
keifcake
Well-Known Member
Within the last few weeks or so, I've pretty much come to the same conclusion and then came across the posts you've had with a CEO on the marketing of bloom nutes. I was already in the process of not using anymore bloom nutes and sticking with the flora nova grow without anymore bloom and the grow is 7-4-10 with Fe (chelated) 0.1%, Mg 1.5%, Sulfer 2%, and Calcium 4%. The grow nutrients do a fairly good job of keeping it green, but do you think it would be worth the switch to the citrus 20-10-20?
JackTheBongRipper
Well-Known Member
I just read... this whole thread... gonna go grow some weed...
*dies*
*dies*
Uncle Ben
Well-Known Member
See, if you're doing soil, that is far from a 'grow' formula IMO, but that's what 'those' folks sell. They always have the macros reversed, never have figured it out, but they (cannabis specific vendors) all do it. Should be 10-4-7.
UB
keifcake
Well-Known Member
Thanks UB. I'll get some of that citrus formula ordered soon, wish somewhere besides jrpeters had it, it's going to cost more for shipping that the actual product.
Alexander Supertramp
Well-Known Member
Use the find a retailer service on their website. You may be surprised how well distributed their products are.
keifcake
Well-Known Member
Cool, I will do. I didn't look at the site long enough to see, just put it in the cart and got far enough to see shipping charges, which was $15, the product was $9.
Maybe I can find retailer close by that actually carries the citrus. Ebay has about everything but the citrus, and Amazon pulls up the 20-20-20.
Uncle Ben
Well-Known Member
Yep, high shipping costs is a deal killer for me all the time. I'm just not gonna pay it.
There are many choices available. Compare labels.
keifcake
Well-Known Member
I'm not going to either, not for one thing of fertilizer, and the closest distributor falls in the 100-200 mile range on the website. I think I've got an idea what to look for when comparing labels now to find something comparable, I'll just use the 20-10-20 or 10-4-7 as a baseline and get one that has the trace elements close to the citrus mix. Guess I'll have to do a good bit of looking around, found some Orchid fert earlier, but it has very minimal amounts of Fe and Mg. In the tenths or hundredths of a percent.
Uncle Ben
Well-Known Member
For 2 lbs. of food FedX shipping cost was $10.50 which is not bad considering it was shipped from the far NE to the far SW. Price of Peters products has gone thru the roof, most likely due to high fuel costs. Fuel prices pretty much drives a country's economy, reason why I raise much of my own food. Got tired of paying a buck for 4 lemons. They're now "free" - fresh, juicy, tasty straight from the tree as one example of many fruits, nuts, berries, and veggies I raise.
keifcake
Well-Known Member
Yea, $10.50 isn't too bad, and it's true the high price of gas is driving inflation (along with a ton of social and political factors.) I've been growing some of my own to eat as well, got a nice seed bank with over a 100 varieties of cultivars, mostly veggies. I looked into getting some citrus a year ago, but I'm in a temperate region in the South and the winter would kill em from what I read. If I get a few of these greenhouses I may try it then. There are several reasons for the decision to grow my own, one of the main ones is gaining some food independence like you, as well as putting to use a lot of the knowledge of growing that I've developed over the last couple years or so of doing MJ. I've also been thinking of maybe making a little money from growing food and taking it to market to make a little extra money. Next up is getting a few chickens.
thewhitelotus
Active Member
First off, wanted to give a big thanks to Uncle Ben for the vast array of knowledge im doin my damnest to absorb. Like some of the others, im having a hard time finding the Citrus FeEd locally, and shipping literally doubles the price. I did noticed Jacks Classic has a Petunia FeED with very similar profile of the Citrus. Only blatant difference i noticed offhand is no Mg or Sulfur, but almost everything else is fairly close. Was curious of your thoughts on this if the Citrus is hard to come by. Heres the profile of the Petunia FeED:
Thanks in advance. its greatly appreciated!
| Total Nitrogen (N) | 20% |
| 1.0% Ammoniacal Nitrogen | |
| 5.3% Nitrate Nitrogen | |
| 13.7% Urea Nitrogen | |
| Available Phosphate (P[SUB]2[/SUB]O[SUB]5[/SUB]) | 6% |
| Soluble Potash (K[SUB]2[/SUB]O) | 22% |
| Boron (B) | 0.02% |
| Copper (Cu) | 0.05% |
| 0.05% Chelated Copper (Cu) | |
| Iron (Fe) | 0.20% |
| 0.20% Chelated Iron (Fe) | |
| Manganese (Mn) | 0.05% |
| 0.05% Chelated Manganese (Mn) | |
| Molybdenum (Mo) | 0.0009% |
| Zinc (Zn) | 0.05% |
| 0.05% Chelated Zinc (Zn) |
Thanks in advance. its greatly appreciated!
Uncle Ben
Well-Known Member
I'd say go for it with a pinch of epsom salts used from time to time...... or dolomite mixed into your soil. Here's another one you might consider - http://www.jrpeters.com/Products/Jack-s-Professional/Jack-s-Pro/General-Purpose-Formulas/25-5-15-High-Performance.html
thewhitelotus
Active Member
Thanks for the quick response UB. Took a peek at the link you recommended, but im afraid with my small setup, a 25lb bag might last me 100 years haha! One more question if ya dont mind. After reading through your Snake Oil thread and Tweeks and Pointers thread, im well aware of your thoughts on the various nute lines out there, and i must say that i fell for it as well. I purchased a 1.5lb bag of maxibloom after reading the KISS thread here (luckily, it only set me back about 15 bucks) and i was curious if i should utilize the Maxibloom (5-15-14) and just "enhance it" or am i better off just scrapping it and going with a Peters solution? I was thinkin the maxibloom, if i have to use it, would be more beneficial in flowering, but it seems a little high in the P. Thanks in advance and your time is greatly appreciated.
Heres the profile of the Maxibloom
Total Nitrogen (N)......................5.0%
0.5% Ammoniacal Nitrogen (N)
4.5% Nitrate Nitrogen (N)
Available Phosphate (P2O5).............15.0%
Soluble Potash (K2O)...................14.0%
Calcium (Ca)................5.0%
Magnesium (Mg)..............3.5%
3.5% Water Soluble Magnesium (Mg)
Sulfur (S)..................4.0%
4.0% Combined Sulfur (S)
Iron (Fe)...................0.1%
0.1% Chelated Iron (Fe)
Heres the profile of the Maxibloom
Total Nitrogen (N)......................5.0%
0.5% Ammoniacal Nitrogen (N)
4.5% Nitrate Nitrogen (N)
Available Phosphate (P2O5).............15.0%
Soluble Potash (K2O)...................14.0%
Calcium (Ca)................5.0%
Magnesium (Mg)..............3.5%
3.5% Water Soluble Magnesium (Mg)
Sulfur (S)..................4.0%
4.0% Combined Sulfur (S)
Iron (Fe)...................0.1%
0.1% Chelated Iron (Fe)