Does CO2 cause global warming? Is it good to reduce CO2? Who the Frack cares!

Grandpapy

Grandpapy

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cannabineer said:
A universal or near-universal belief isn't a fact.

And in this instance, caution means opposite things to the two sides on this issue. cn
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Oh, but it was based on the scientific knowledge at that time. Thought to be fact. It did not become universal belief until it was dis-proven.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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canndo said:
Wait a minute. You aren't claiming that because cities havn't been shaken into the ground there is no problem with creating widespread, uncontroled earthquakes as a result of injecting huge quantities of chemicals into the ground - are you? you don't see some problem with this? You can't imagine that if the frackers never anticipated such a thing that maybe, possibly there are other things that they didn't anticipate either and that if their practices have the power to precipitate earthquakes then there may be an issue?


I once ran into the house after having seen my brother point a loaded 22 pistol at my sister. Now it was obvious even then that my mother favored my brother. When I told her of the incident she replied with "well, it isn't a very big gun is it."
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So many BS assertions here:

"huge quantities"... :-)

"wide spread, uncontrolled"... as opposed to all those controlled earthquakes. :-)

Sounds like you come from a pretty fucked up family. Join the club.

Is there ever a free lunch? Serious question. If CO2 emissions are bad then is it OK to frack to bring the emissions down, or is the only solution in lefty-land to freeze in a mud hut?
 
canndo

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desert dude said:
So many BS assertions here:

"huge quantities"... :-)

"wide spread, uncontrolled"... as opposed to all those controlled earthquakes. :-)

Sounds like you come from a pretty fucked up family. Join the club.

Is there ever a free lunch? Serious question. If CO2 emissions are bad then is it OK to frack to bring the emissions down, or is the only solution in lefty-land to freeze in a mud hut?
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Widespread as in separate locations in Texas. Huge quantities as in "a large enough quantity to cause earthquakes", something that man is hard pressed to create. Nope, there is no free lunch but it is always wise to get a rough estimate of how much lunch costs before taking a seat at the booth. You make the same mistake so many others do, offering us absurd either or's. Either we accept earthquakes, pollution and flamable tap water or we reduce ourselves to freezing in a mud hut. So long as the naysayers believe that there is only one solution - and that solution is do things the way big energy wants or do nothing at all, then what we will have is..... earthquakes and flamable tap water.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Grandpapy said:
Oh, but it was based on the scientific knowledge at that time. Thought to be fact. It did not become universal belief until it was dis-proven.
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Can you back that up? As soon as the ancients applied science to the question, they knew the world to be round. Pythagoras suspected the earth was round, and Eratosthenes (240 BCE) measured the world's radius to a remarkable degree of precision. Flat earth beliefs were just that both early and late, since any test (the distinguishing mark of science) suggested or showed otherwise. Nice write-up here. cn

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth
 
desert dude

desert dude

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canndo said:
Widespread as in separate locations in Texas. Huge quantities as in "a large enough quantity to cause earthquakes", something that man is hard pressed to create. Nope, there is no free lunch but it is always wise to get a rough estimate of how much lunch costs before taking a seat at the booth. You make the same mistake so many others do, offering us absurd either or's. Either we accept earthquakes, pollution and flamable tap water or we reduce ourselves to freezing in a mud hut. So long as the naysayers believe that there is only one solution - and that solution is do things the way big energy wants or do nothing at all, then what we will have is..... earthquakes and flamable tap water.
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Using natural gas to fire electric generation plants produces 45% less CO2 than using coal. Is fracking worth it to get such a CO2 reduction? What do you propose instead, solar panels?
 
abandonconflict

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cannabineer said:
Can you back that up? As soon as the ancients applied science to the question, they knew the world to be round. Pythagoras suspected the earth was round, and Eratosthenes (240 BCE) measured the world's radius to a remarkable degree of precision. Flat earth beliefs were just that both early and late, since any test (the distinguishing mark of science) suggested or showed otherwise. Nice write-up here. cn

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth
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Considering Galileo was excommunicated over his findings, I am going to venture an implication of a certain VATICAN as the source of flat earth insistence.
 
Grandpapy

Grandpapy

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cannabineer said:
Can you back that up? As soon as the ancients applied science to the question, they knew the world to be round. Pythagoras suspected the earth was round, and Eratosthenes (240 BCE) measured the world's radius to a remarkable degree of precision. Flat earth beliefs were just that both early and late, since any test (the distinguishing mark of science) suggested or showed otherwise. Nice write-up here. cn

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth
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I stand corrected. I let my belief of what I thought was fact, make an ass of my self. :oops:
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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abandonconflict said:
Considering Galileo was excommunicated over his findings, I am going to venture an implication of a certain VATICAN as the source of flat earth insistence.
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But Galileo was excommunicated over something unrelated to the flat/spherical Earth question. Interestingly, Aristotle embraced a round Earth and became early Christianity's house philosopher. Even so, between 300 and 800 AD there were many round-earth detractors, but by the Carolingian age the flat-earth concept receded into the unlearned populace. cn
 
RyanTheRhino

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Not sure if this has been said, but support the sunspot idea. The sun is not a thermostat that can be controlled i find it reasonable that it fluctuates in radiant output over time.
 
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ChesusRice

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WHatever happened to Rollinbud?
He used to spam this forum with crap from the blaze
and now DeaDude is spamming with the Koch funded Reason.com
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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cannabineer said:
But Galileo was excommunicated over something unrelated to the flat/spherical Earth question. Interestingly, Aristotle embraced a round Earth and became early Christianity's house philosopher. Even so, between 300 and 800 AD there were many round-earth detractors, but by the Carolingian age the flat-earth concept receded into the unlearned populace. cn
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Maybe the inquisition, I'm honestly not sure, I concluded long before hearing of the flat earth doctrine that the church was full of it. Aristotle thought the universe was geocentric.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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abandonconflict said:
Maybe the inquisition, I'm honestly not sure, I concluded long before hearing of the flat earth doctrine that the church was full of it. Aristotle thought the universe was geocentric.
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Galileo was put under house arrest for suggesting that the earth revolves around the sun rather than the other way round.
 
Harrekin

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Forgot to post this yesterday, but Britain removed an 18 month ban on fracking yesterday.

I guess at least it's a nice solid "fuck you" to the Russians.
 
UncleBuck

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i forgot to opine on fracking.

frack away. the evidence is not completely in yet, but what there is doesn't look too fracking good.

there has been some correlation, but that does not necessarily equal causation. there has been good evidence, but i gotta wait until the evidence is as solid as the case for anthropogenic climate change.

i'm also curious to see senor kynes cite those graphs. i have graphs that seem to contradict his, and he has been known to toss out a few stinkers to support his bircher ideals in the past.
 
kelly4

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UncleBuck said:
i'm also curious to see senor kynes cite those graphs. i have graphs that seem to contradict his, and he has been known to toss out a few stinkers to support his bircher ideals in the past.
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I agree with you that if anyone knows what a stinker graph looks like...you should be the expert. LOL!
 
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