Sr. Verde's: Concentrate Corner

[Dan Kone]

I was referring to the co2 oils.

oh, yeah. probably washed to get out that nasty dirty color in oilmkr's avatar.

 

[bigvito]

It's hard to tell from pictures.. But I mean it looks like some decent budder. Light complexion, and consistent coloring.

Although if you want oil/sap.. the best technique for that would be electric vacuum purging. $150-$200 on vacuum, $100-$200 on a chamber.. well worth it though if you like concentrates. I still (unverified) think it's the only way to "fully" purge hash oil without completely nuking it with heat.

Thanks verde that does seem to be the best way that will
be a future investment for me

 

[CannabisCorps]

oh, yeah. probably washed to get out that nasty dirty color in oilmkr's avatar.

lol Thank you for noticing this also, i hate being the guy to bring it up but for real, how is there clutter and what looks like unpurged oil in your frikin avatar? google someones dank looking stuff. coming from a bio degre and some ochem background i would in fact love for oilmakr to have some real info but he dances around questions and brags like a kid who knows someone who does something cool. nasa my ass, take english 1 at your local jc. I wish i had the time of my life back ive spent reading your alternatingly assanine/arrogant posts

 

[smokajoe]

Thanks verde that does seem to be the best way that will
be a future investment for me

Which vac and chamber do you recommend verde?

 

[jdro]

If that were the case, then why is a scfe using carbon dioxide the methods used to produce Marinol, dronabinol, or sativex? Dronabinol has been no less than 95% THC. So then why isn't butane the methods used to achieve such purity? Where the papers or proof other than you saying it averages 75-80% worst case senario. What exactly is the 76%? Cbd, cbn, thc? You do have several test proving that statement. Just because you choke your ass off, doesn't mean it's higher in desired compounds of interest. I've been doing bho because I've been so broke. Everyone I normally get high noticed right away when the change came. They labeled BHO" the booboo bag" cuase it's that much Harsher, a bit off in taste, typical I dare you type of smoke. It's probably good if you've never had better, but once you know the differences it's very apperant why it's the booboo bag.

LOL, you are just constantly proving how much of a jack ass you are. You are making fucking hash with ronson and and then saying its harsh and makes you choke your ass off... LMFAO NO SHIT. My oil is amazingly smooth. The oil is smoother than the flowers it came from. I would not go near anything you make, let alone smoke it.

 

[Sr. Verde]

LOL, you are just constantly proving how much of a jack ass you are.

now now... no need to be mean to get your point across here..

Which vac and chamber do you recommend verde?

I use the harbor frieght two stage. I really like it because it reportedly goes to 25 microns, and you can purchase a two year extended warranty for $20 (highly reccomended). Also if you have a local harbor freight it's worth it to inspect in person, rather than risk shipping damage to your door. These units are fragile, and not packaged as well as they should be. The two stage harbor freight should run $150-$160 msrp. There are better vacuums out there for more $$ i think. But my last vacuum pump stopped working after the first purge, and I was able to DRIVE to a harbor freight, return it, get a new one for FREE, and pay $20 for ANOTHER 2 year warranty on the new one I got for free! I came back home and finished my purging. 2 hour delay with a 40 minute drive each way. Much easier than waiting for days on end, and shipping a pump back to amazon or whatever.

Thanks verde that does seem to be the best way that will
be a future investment for me

It's a good investment! Especially when you get the warranty. Dropped it off your shelf? Get a new one! Stopped working? Get a new one! Zero head aches, it's great. I didn't even keep the receipt, they ran my credit card in their system and got the info to make the exchange .

 

[oilmkr420]

Wow did I just offend some peeps or what. I've given shops and shop owners the details on how it's achieved in it's simplest form. Since the pumps are industrial size most propbably needed to be zoned M2 for that kind of use, it only makes sense to borrow a pump using a DOT3 tank w a rating for co2, safety burst disk, and under careful application could accept some gentle heat. The cons is carbonic acid. Butane is non-toxic, but they strongly recommend not to inhale the products as all hydrocarbons w proplonged exposure has been known to cause cancer. So if we all purged it out no problem. It starts when people start frauding shops or general public, cutting it w wt in butane isn't just uncool, unethical, unhealthy,etc. Its got some potential negative long term use especially when compared to co2 oil. There is reason for the varying strengths, but I could get fire and by that I mean high cannabinoid concentration, and terps, and flavanoids are in high concentration as well. Since its all done cosub2, a very high degree of selectivity is achieved. No digging into the plant matter w harsh enviornment of say 300 bar plus, doesn't add any waxes or other trashes impossable to get out once in their. Its a far better method of cutting the oil as it came from the plant. So unless your entering a cannabis cup, it turns regular dare ya type of bi-product throw away stuff into really tasty desired end product. In a green way as its side effects imo is far less noticable as I can fearlessly glob as big as I want and dubbed it no choke. I've seen people exhale like if they didn't get a hit, then blow a cloud, then usually cough a bit, but not a fit or uncontrollable hack attack.

 

[Orlandocb]

Wow did I just offend some peeps or what. I've given shops and shop owners the details on how it's achieved in it's simplest form. Since the pumps are industrial size most propbably needed to be zoned M2 for that kind of use, it only makes sense to borrow a pump using a DOT3 tank w a rating for co2, safety burst disk, and under careful application could accept some gentle heat. The cons is carbonic acid. Butane is non-toxic, but they strongly recommend not to inhale the products as all hydrocarbons w proplonged exposure has been known to cause cancer. So if we all purged it out no problem. It starts when people start frauding shops or general public, cutting it w wt in butane isn't just uncool, unethical, unhealthy,etc. Its got some potential negative long term use especially when compared to co2 oil. There is reason for the varying strengths, but I could get fire and by that I mean high cannabinoid concentration, and terps, and flavanoids are in high concentration as well. Since its all done cosub2, a very high degree of selectivity is achieved. No digging into the plant matter w harsh enviornment of say 300 bar plus, doesn't add any waxes or other trashes impossable to get out once in their. Its a far better method of cutting the oil as it came from the plant. So unless your entering a cannabis cup, it turns regular dare ya type of bi-product throw away stuff into really tasty desired end product. In a green way as its side effects imo is far less noticable as I can fearlessly glob as big as I want and dubbed it no choke. I've seen people exhale like if they didn't get a hit, then blow a cloud, then usually cough a bit, but not a fit or uncontrollable hack attack.

Oh my poor eyes, ever hear of a paragraph? And cool story but something like that deserves its own thread, theres obviously pages of organized explaining to do in a more presentable manner, otherwise its a vague convoluted un-organized mess that likely gets in the way of other people showin' off their stuff

 

[oilmkr420]

Yupyup. Spent like 3 hrs on a paper that would have made some people proud, some people pist, and some people convinced. But during that time, I had timed out, then upon signing in, it discarded all my efforts and wasted my day. I don't type, live demos still had some people scratching their head, the live video may not clear things up for some, and its probably a hr or two for an end product to appear. I do feel more like an extractor doing my methods vs the typical common knowledge that is currently available. No disrespect, but I'm more involved in staging it's conditions/temp/pressure/resident time all make it a more specific tunable solvent where it's solubaility is dependant upon heat in the 65f-165f area. Rarely does it pass those temperatures as it starts degrading the fragile molecules and weakening your end product.

 

[Dan Kone]

Wow did I just offend some peeps or what.

I've given shops and shop owners the details on how it's achieved in it's simplest form. Since the pumps are industrial size most propbably needed to be zoned M2 for that kind of use, it only makes sense to borrow a pump using a DOT3 tank w a rating for co2, safety burst disk, and under careful application could accept some gentle heat. The cons is carbonic acid. Butane is non-toxic, but they strongly recommend not to inhale the products as all hydrocarbons w proplonged exposure has been known to cause cancer. So if we all purged it out no problem. It starts when people start frauding shops or general public, cutting it w wt in butane isn't just uncool, unethical, unhealthy,etc. Its got some potential negative long term use especially when compared to co2 oil. There is reason for the varying strengths, but I could get fire and by that I mean high cannabinoid concentration, and terps, and flavanoids are in high concentration as well. Since its all done cosub2, a very high degree of selectivity is achieved. No digging into the plant matter w harsh enviornment of say 300 bar plus, doesn't add any waxes or other trashes impossable to get out once in their. Its a far better method of cutting the oil as it came from the plant. So unless your entering a cannabis cup, it turns regular dare ya type of bi-product throw away stuff into really tasty desired end product. In a green way as its side effects imo is far less noticable as I can fearlessly glob as big as I want and dubbed it no choke. I've seen people exhale like if they didn't get a hit, then blow a cloud, then usually cough a bit, but not a fit or uncontrollable hack attack.

All I want is an answer to a very simple question. I kept reading hoping I'd get an answer. But instead I got eye raped over and over again with long semi-coherent ramblings completely unrelated to anything in particular.

Don't get me wrong, it is cool that you came here to share your process. So thank you for that. It's just difficult to be polite when you're so unnecessarily combative to everyone. You really don't have to talk down to people who ask you simple questions. People will respond to you a lot better if you just have a non-combative discussion with them. Just saying...

I've given shops and shop owners the details on how it's achieved in it's simplest form. Since the pumps are industrial size most propbably needed to be zoned M2 for that kind of use, it only makes sense to borrow a pump using a DOT3 tank w a rating for co2, safety burst disk, and under careful application could accept some gentle heat. The cons is carbonic acid. Butane is non-toxic, but they strongly recommend not to inhale the products as all hydrocarbons w proplonged exposure has been known to cause cancer.

See what you did there. That makes things incredibly difficult. 4 sentences to start a paragraph. The first one you're talking about how you talked to shop owners. Ok, but I'm not sure why you posted that since the next sentence you discuss a portion of your process. Then in the next two sentences you discuss pros and cons. That makes it very difficult to understand what you're talking about there because you kind of mashed three incomplete and unrelated thoughts all together for us to decipher. Not trying to hate, just trying to help you out. I'm sure some of my posts are difficult to read too.

And then to make it worse the last part of what you said isn't true. I looked it up on toxnet (national institute of medicine and health). Here's what they say about prolonged exposure to butane.

http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdb:@term+@DOCNO+944

No studies on carcinogenicity, reproduction toxicity and teratogenicity, immunotoxicity or allergy were located in the available literature. Several reports on human exposure to n-butane were available. The increasing abuse of volatile substances, n-butane being among them, increases the risk of sudden death in connection to inhalation of the gas. The range of concentrations that may lead to "high" feelings or to death has been noted to be very narrow. The use of a oven cleaner containing n-butane as propellant has caused transient myoclonus in one patient. No other physical abnormalities were noted. An aerosol spray which contained n-butane as propellant, was reported to cause deep frostbite symptoms ir the skin when sprayed directly on it. Because of the anesthetic effect of n-butane, truck drivers and terminal operators from different loading facilities and service stations were examined for exposure gasoline vapours containing 90 to 92 percent n-butane, isobutane, n-pentane and isopentane. Exposures to the gasoline vapor were substantially lower than the established ACGIH threshold values (300 ppm or 0.89 mg/l for gasoline, and 800 ppm or 1.9 mg/l for n-butane). Occupational exposure of 53 male refinery workers for an average of 11 years to n-butane (concentration varied from 0.0004 mg/l to 0.0178 mg/l) did not cause any clinical symptoms in the workers. ... In conclusion, exposure to low concentrations of n-butane has not been reported to cause adverse effects in humans.

So no, prolonged exposure to butane does not cause cancer. You just made that up. Butane factory workers exposed to butane every day for 11 years didn't cause cancer. Nor did any of the lab animals who were tested at much higher levels develop cancer. A concentrate, especially a purged concentrate isn't going to cause cancer even with regular use.

. There is reason for the varying strengths, but I could get fire and by that I mean high cannabinoid concentration, and terps, and flavanoids are in high concentration as well. Since its all done cosub2, a very high degree of selectivity is achieved. No digging into the plant matter w harsh enviornment of say 300 bar plus, doesn't add any waxes or other trashes impossable to get out once in their.

Well obviously that's not true. If it was a pure concentrate with no plant matter or waxes it would be a clear color like amber glass, not an opaque color.

here's a co2 concentrate in wax form. You can not get this consistency without the plant waxes. Also, I'm not buying the "high degree of selectivity" thing. If it's such a pure extract, why are most of them dark in color. In my experience the most pure oil concentrates are blonde in color, ranging from yellow to white, they certainly aren't brown.

http://www.sclabs.com/sample-details.html?task=sample&sample=121013L014

The information you're posting is very inconsistent with other reliable data available.

 

[oilmkr420]

As I examined some root source of this evil darkness that lurks in my oils, it appears to be a conisitant particulation of uniform debris throughout the oil upon magnification. So I will use activated charcoal and a hot gravity filtration and perhaps even diatomatious earth for G.P.

 

[drbrownstain]

Running 56g of brick tonight. This is Appalachian, not Mexican, cut sometime in the past 2 months, with a nice citrusy/piney/skunky smell. Found 5 seeds in a quap. Sorry about the pic quality-camera is broked and cell lens is scratched, but hopefully you can get a little feel for the starting material. I'll throw up a few more showing method and finished later.

 

[CannabisCorps]

As I examined some root source of this evil darkness that lurks in my oils, it appears to be a conisitant particulation of uniform debris throughout the oil upon magnification. So I will use activated charcoal and a hot gravity filtration and perhaps even diatomatious earth for G.P.

Its probably sheetrock dust from your dirty worksite

 

[kolz2788]

Its probably sheetrock dust from your dirty worksite

hahaha, yes.

 

[Dan Kone]

As I examined some root source of this evil darkness that lurks in my oils, it appears to be a conisitant particulation of uniform debris throughout the oil upon magnification. So I will use activated charcoal and a hot gravity filtration and perhaps even diatomatious earth for G.P.

There is something I'm interested in hearing about. Let us know how that works out.

 

[drbrownstain]

Got impatient and just went ahead with it.

First soak was only 20 minutes, with 1 can Power 5x, and yielded the 2.7g (at least 3g total including "test dabs") of super shattery stuff shown. When I say super shattery I mean shards flying everywhere in a 70 degree room. Not wanting to start any arguments, I'll just say I always prefer a nice, low temperature purge, shatter over budders any day. The true color is a lot lighter than the crappy pics I can get right now. I'd say it's a translucent light golden amber once warmed and stretched thin

Second soak was 2hrs, 2 cans Power 5x, and netted the 1.8 pictured, another 1g not shown, plus few dabs prior to weighing, so call it another 3g. Soak to soak product was remarkably similar in final appearance and consistency. Final aroma and flavor is intensely grapefruit. Thinking outdoor "Big Bud" is a likely suspect.

I started with probably ~52g after drying on a radiator and grinding in a blender, so figure right around 12% return of dank oil from 100 bucks worth of brick* and less than 9 bucks worth of butane.







*not all all brick is created equally*

 

[Sr. Verde]

Wait, why are you soaking in butane?

When I run my oil, I try to evap the majority of the butane out of the pan as soon as safely possible. I use luke warm water for the inital spray, and replace it a few times with warm to hot tap water. My (liquid) butane in the pan is gone in 10 minutes, and the consistency is noticeably better than if I had let it dry out naturally.

 

[drbrownstain]

Wait, why are you soaking in butane?

When I run my oil, I try to evap the majority of the butane out of the pan as soon as safely possible. I use luke warm water for the inital spray, and replace it a few times with warm to hot tap water. My (liquid) butane in the pan is gone in 10 minutes, and the consistency is noticeably better than if I had let it dry out naturally.

I soaked my frozen material in cold butane in a stainless steel canteen bottle. Once I filter it into the pan, I evap it down using the same warm to hot tap water. Sorry for not making that first part clear...I've been sampling.

The impatient part was because it was ~40 degrees outside, so I had to buy a bag of ice for a buck and bust out the rock salt to pack around the bottle. I've found I have much better control, over a much wider range of temps, in a plain stainless canteen bottle, as opposed to a vacuum thermos bottle...like I can apply a warm compress to the outside while filtering to pressurize some and get the last couple drops out (this works best on narrow necked bottles). I generally reserve the thermos for very hot summer days (90+).

 

[Sr. Verde]

Interesting.. What kind of butane are you using?

 

[biglungs]

here's a co2 concentrate in wax form. You can not get this consistency without the plant waxes. Also, I'm not buying the "high degree of selectivity" thing. If it's such a pure extract, why are most of them dark in color. In my experience the most pure oil concentrates are blonde in color, ranging from yellow to white, they certainly aren't brown.

http://www.sclabs.com/sample-details.html?task=sample&sample=121013L014

The information you're posting is very inconsistent with other reliable data available.

is it REALLY a co2 concentrate? can they actually tell at the lab? if it has no tane remaining cant any dispensary just claim its co2?