Fan Leafs. Blockers of Light Or Energy Producers???

[colonuggs]

have a good one !!!!

 

[hexthat]

Old timers call me "the professor", because I educate the scientists, really am called that.

Amber trichomes happen from magic weed fairies my bad,...

Do you even know the order in witch these go?

CBC
CBD
CBG
CBN
THC
THCA
THCV

 

[hexthat]

CBG > CBC
CBG > CBD
CBD > THC
THC>THCA
THC> CBN
THCA>THC

I can't remember where THCV goes help me out.

 

[colonuggs]

made me start to research

The resin gland produces cannabinoids that are converted into THC. During the active cycle of cannabinoid production the glands will appear clear or cloudy. As the plant matures and the production cycle slows the glands will change color to amber. This is caused from environmental influences......temperature and light

The major influence on the amber color would be the lack of conversion from cannabinoids CBD and CBN into THC. You can draw your own conclusions as to why, my theroy is as the plant matures it slows in cannabinoid production and the UVB radiation has less cannabinoids to convert and starts to degrade the resin - hense the color change.

Returning to the more orthodox version of the cannabinoid biosynthesis, the role of ultraviolet light should be reemphasized. It seems apparent that ultraviolet light, normally supplied in abundance by sunlight, takes part in the conversion of CBD acid to THC acids. Therefore, the lack of ultraviolet light in indoor growing situations could account for the limited psychoactivity of Cannabis grown under artificial lights.

Light energy has been collected and utilized by the plant in a long series of reactions resulting in the formation of THC acids. Farther along the pathway begins the formation of degradation products not metabolically produced by the living plant.

These cannabinoid acids are formed through the progressive degradation of THC acids to CBN acid (cannabinolic acid) and other cannabinoid acids.

"The degradation is accomplished primarily by heat and light and is not enzymatically controlled by the plant."

CBN is also suspected of synergistic modification of the psychoactivity of the primary cannabinoids, THCs. The cannabinoid balance between CBC, CBD, THC, and CBN is determined by genetics and maturation.

THC production is an ongoing process as long as the glandular trichome remains active.

Variations in the level of THC in the same trichome as it matures are the result of THC acid being broken down to CBN acid while CBD acid is being converted to THC acid.

If the rate of THC biosynthesis exceeds the rate of THC breakdown, the THC level in the trichome rises; if the breakdown rate is faster than the rate of biosynthesis, the THC level drops.

Clear or slightly amber transparent resin is a sign that the glandular trichome is still active. As soon as resin secretion begins to slow, the resins will usually polymerize and harden. During the late floral stages the resin tends to darken to a transparent amber color.

If it begins to deteriorate, it first turns translucent and then opaque brown or white. Near-freezing temperatures during maturation will often result in opaque white resins. During active secretion, THC acids are constantly being formed from CBD acid and breaking down into CBN acid. “

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[Uncle Ben]

You can shove proof right up his ass but he wont believe you.

Of course apical dominance makes the top buds recieve most of the energy to grow. But you're still denying the fact that when you open up the light to that little whispy popcorn bud down below it IMMEDIATELY starts to green up, fatten and frost up and mature with the rest of the buds. Why, because the little leaves on that bud finally start getting some light to make it grow. When you strip a fan leaf there are still leaves on the buds to take it's place.

You obviously have never grown outdoors. I just finished up 4 plants outdoors, and both my mutts (Peak19) and pure sativas (Haze) had wispy airy buds at the lower levels. That's what cannabis does, and you're not gonna change its phenotype, it's growth habits/profile. On all plants, I did my usual drill of cutting out the large colas and leaving the lower part of the plant, the area with the popcorn buds, in the ground for a couple of weeks. You can hang a sign on that pig and call it a dog all day long (due to a lack of experience) but no amount of light is gonna change this common botanical fact - shit happens and no amount of plucking is gonna change it.

BTW, just in case you don't quite get it yet, outdoors, there is sunlight penetration into the canopy at sunrise, sunset, and for me most of the day due to high winds parting the canopy at times, some being in the 30's mph that lasted for days on end.

Also, try to get my persona right. I don't know who this "uncle bud" is you keep referring to.

Uncle Ben

 

[Uncle Ben]

hahahaha....really? Only took under 1 hour to trim that top plant Got 4.5 oz.

this is what I call alot of fan leaves....took over 5 hours to trim this bitch 4 oz

Well, if my "bitch" had a lot of yellowed non-productive leaves like that, I'd be pHluckin' her too. Fortunately, I manage to retain at least 95% of my fan leaves in a nice green, healthy, productive manner until harvest. That's what mastering your garden is all about.

Photo of an indoor secondary harvest:



UB

 

[colonuggs]

If I had such yellowed un-productive leaves, I'd be plucking them off too. Fortunately, I manage to retain at least 95% of my fan leaves in a nice green, healthy, productive manner until harvest. That's what mastering your garden is all about.

UB

strain related...every strain is different and has different needs... ... when you get a new one they do different things in flower.

that leafy bitch was a one time grow from seed...I hate plants/strains that take forever to trim

Heres another leafy strain..... but this one stayed green in flower

 

[Sir.Ganga]

You obviously have never grown outdoors. I just finished up 4 plants outdoors, and both my mutts (Peak19) and pure sativas (Haze) had wispy airy buds at the lower levels. On all plants, I did my usual drill of cutting out the large colas and leaving the lower part of the plant, the area with the popcorn buds, in the ground for a couple of weeks. You can hang a sign on that pig and call it a dog all day long (due to a lack of experience) but no amount of light is gonna change this common botanical fact - shit happens and no amount of plucking is gonna change it. Uncle Ben

This statement really does show you really do not understand how things work. Proper leaf and sucker removal has to be timmed correctly. You can't just rip off leaves and expect to see the buds get bigger, no wonder you don't remove anything, I wouldn't either!

Where's the negitive REP button?

Its not Uncle Bud Its Uncle Popcorn Bud!

 

[Uncle Ben]

Old timers call me "the professor", because I educate the scientists, really am called that.

Amber trichomes happen from magic weed fairies my bad,...

Do you even know the order in witch these go?

CBC
CBD
CBG
CBN
THC
THCA
THCV

Consult Mel Frank's Guide if you want the chemistry on cannaboids. Included is lab data regarding the conversion of THC into CBD, CBN, etc.....the timeline, the reasons why, cause-effect, etc.

Ub

 

[Uncle Ben]

This statement really does show you really do not understand how things work. Proper leaf and sucker removal has to be timmed correctly. You can't just rip off leaves and expect to see the buds get bigger, no wonder you don't remove anything, I wouldn't either!

Where's the negitive REP button?

Its not Uncle Bud Its Uncle Popcorn Bud!

You too have never grown outdoors.

 

[Uncle Ben]

Heres another leafy strain..... but this one stayed green in flower

You're spinning. I don't care about flower. What does the plant look like at harvest? I too can cherry pick using a plant (42 days flowering) that is still 3 weeks from harvest -



My avatar reflects a plant at harvest which has good chunky buds at lower levels with all of it's fan leaves intact, and it was crammed into a pen with its sistas.

 

[stumpjumper]

Old timers call me "the professor", because I educate the scientists, really am called that.

Yeah, not to hurt your feelings or anything but I think the reason they call you "The Professor" is because you are a dumb ass.

You obviously have never grown outdoors. I just finished up 4 plants outdoors, and both my mutts (Peak19) and pure sativas (Haze) had wispy airy buds at the lower levels. On all plants, I did my usual drill of cutting out the large colas and leaving the lower part of the plant, the area with the popcorn buds, in the ground for a couple of weeks. You can hang a sign on that pig and call it a dog all day long (due to a lack of experience) but no amount of light is gonna change this common botanical fact - shit happens and no amount of plucking is gonna change it.

BTW, just in case you don't quite get it yet, outdoors, there is sunlight penetration into the canopy at sunrise, sunset, and for me most of the day due to high winds parting the canopy at times, some being in the 30's mph that lasted for days on end.

Also, try to get my persona right. I don't know who this "uncle bud" is you keep referring to.

Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben, sorry..

I grew outdoors for 15 years. I never defoliated my plants then, I never really experimented much with my plants until I started growing indoors.

Defoliation outdoors isn't really necessary because the sun moves east to west and exposes more of the plant to direct light, however, if your plan is not in a location that receives full sun all day it might benefit from having a few leaves trimmed too.

 

[Sir.Ganga]

You too have never grown outdoors.

I cut my teeth growing outdoors, I still do but only use it for oil purposes due to the fact of our growing conditions. Growing indoors is a total difference than outdoors. Some techniques can cross over and some can't.

In both cases though removing fans and suckers on the lower end(shaved legs) will result in bigger bud higher up.

 

[colonuggs]

You're spinning. I don't care about flower. What does the plant look like at harvest? I too can cherry pick using a plant (42 days flowering) that is still 3 weeks from harvest

A plant??? how about 25...harvest time of my last crop....wheres your last crop.... not just your 1 plant in your avatar you keep braggin about.....your just spinnin now

oh yea after some research I agree... light and temp do cause the trichs to go from clear to amber

Returning to the more orthodox version of the cannabinoid biosynthesis, the role of ultraviolet light should be reemphasized. It seems apparent that ultraviolet light, normally supplied in abundance by sunlight, takes part in the conversion of CBD acid to THC acids. Therefore, the lack of ultraviolet light in indoor growing situations could account for the limited psychoactivity of Cannabis grown under artificial lights.

Light energy has been collected and utilized by the plant in a long series of reactions resulting in the formation of THC acids. Farther along the pathway begins the formation of degradation products not metabolically produced by the living plant.

These cannabinoid acids are formed through the progressive degradation of THC acids to CBN acid (cannabinolic acid) and other cannabinoid acids.

"The degradation is accomplished primarily by heat and light and is not enzymatically controlled by the plant."

 

[bde0001]

I think i just ejaculated....

A plant??? how about 25...harvest time of my last crop....wheres your last crop.... not just 1 plant in avatar...your spinnin now

oh yea after some research I agree... light and temp do cause the trichs to go from clear to amber

 

[bde0001]

you dont worry about helicopters flir noticing the heat emiited from this grow room? 4000 watts must produce a lot of heat. I have thought about how i could grow something of this size but always ran into the problem of where the fuck to vent the heat....I hate the idea of venting a heat source to the outside....especially because I hear helicopters flying nearby about 3-4x a day. not hovering but still...i would be shitting bricks constantly. you must make bank though . but yeah, if you cud answer how you vent you heat and what you use to make it possible to run 4000 watts, I would freakin appreciate that!

 

[colonuggs]

you could aways run your exhaust out a fireplace chimney if you have one....I do state legal medical in washington we can grow up to 45 plants in our collective but we only have 2 card holders and are allowed 30.. which is a full room

I dont worry about the police or helicopters... they been by the grow already cause of neighbors wanting to cause trouble.... did a count left... informed the neighbors we are legal.

We vent out a window through a carbon filter... we maintain upper 70s* F

heres a older grow room and its vent 12 x12 room 1050 cfm exhaust

 

[Uncle Ben]

Yeah, not to hurt your feelings or anything but I think the reason they call you "The Professor" is because you are a dumb ass.



Uncle Ben, sorry..

I grew outdoors for 15 years. I never defoliated my plants then, I never really experimented much with my plants until I started growing indoors.

Defoliation outdoors isn't really necessary because the sun moves east to west and exposes more of the plant to direct light, however, if your plan is not in a location that receives full sun all day it might benefit from having a few leaves trimmed too.

I don't believe it for a moment, or you would confirm that popcorn buds occur at lower levels, indoors or out. It's just what cannabis does.

 

[Uncle Ben]

Just for the record, parabolics suck. If you want to piss off your energy dollars, use a parabolic reflector.

UB

 

[colonuggs]

Just for the record, parabolics suck. If you want to piss off your energy dollars, use a parabolic reflector.

UB

hahahaha... why do they cost more to run than exhausted hoods...NO...... 1000 watt ballasts cost the same to run reguardless of the hood

They leave the same light print (lux/candle) according to the light meter..

Parabolic hoods spread the light out over a larger area (4 ft) which eliminates hot spots

thats a dumb comment bro...its like your trying to pick a fight with just negitive comments to most who post????

Shit... I know people who use no hood... just the bulb and they rockin the buds .....plant blub plant bulb