And this is the kind of crap that makes people hate israel

[Dr Kynes]

You talk about Marxism more than anybody here. On the other hand, I have repeatedly and vehemently denied that I agree with Marxist philosophy in it's entirety. He had some good ideas. Libertarian philosophy has it's roots in Libertarian socialism, but for an economic plan, it embraces anarchocapitalism, so I don't accuse Ron Paul of Marxism.

This would be like if I said everyone who thinks capitalism is a good idea automatically agrees with everything Ayn Rand says. Your motivation here is simply to discredit me out of fear. Your tactics are consistently dishonest and you appeal to popularity, but you don't realize that an idea is not true simply because it is popular. Why do you follow me around so much? Get a life you racist shill.

And Yes, you do hate all Muslims, it is obvious.

your previously cited reference material:
"Libertarian socialism (sometimes called social anarchism,[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] and sometimes left libertarianism)[SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP] is a group of political philosophies that promote a non-hierarchical, non-bureaucratic society without private property in the means of production. Libertarian socialists believe in converting present-day private productive property into the commons or public goods, while retaining respect for personal property.[5" ~http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

first two sentences, followed by a whole shitload of garbage and contradictions. and neither you nor your "Scholarly Source Authority" actually demarcate the line where "private property" becomes "The Means of Production", nor how such "Means of Production" shall come into the possession of the "collective" without force, both simply assume that there will be no force. further, you go on to argue that it really is libertarian,, because of the non-statist nature of the non-state in it's non-stateness that still somehow manages to ensure that nobody gets too much control over the non-property held in common by the non-state without any actual state, or the threat of force to ensure the equitable division of the non-property and the production generated by the aforementioned "Means".

and then while searching for an actual coherent description of the principles of "libertarian socialism" i read this:

http://www.progress.org/2003/libsoc01.htm

even in this love letter to spoonerist socialist utopianism the author spends more time talking about what "libertarian socialism" is NOT than what it is. in fact,, just like the wikipage, the author provides only a hand waved in the general direction of anarchism as the grounding principles, and leaves the rest to the imagination of the (presumably, fervid 12 year old) reader.

much like yourself, all the "great thinkers" of "libertarian socialism" spend their time trying to explain that it's not an oxymoron (and failing), arguing how "in europe libertarianism is actually socialism", making convoluted semantic distinctions, avoiding the actual question of how the "Means of Production" fall into the hands of the "collective" how the "system" is supposed to work, and "once upon a time, in a kingdom far far away..."
libertarian socialism is a fantasy created by some utopianist dreamers and proto-communists which morphed into marxism which developed into the twin branches represented by leninism and stalinism.

it is NOT as you or wikipedia describe, it is a social studies abortion lost to the mists of time,, till it was resurrected by the new left as a replacement for the now tarnished ideals of marx and engles.

it's plain, old, ordinary, homely, tired, used up, unappealing, failed marxism in a fancy new party dress.

i know it hurts to hear it, but this is a kindness, now you can read Das kapital and the Communist Manifesto and hopefully understand them.

 

[echelon1k1]

Whats the matter Nazi.

i'm good - just reading mein kampf buring crosses n shit how bout you?

 

[abandonconflict]

it's plain, old, ordinary, homely, tired, used up, unappealing, failed marxism in a fancy new party dress.

That's like, your opinion man.

go ahead and repeat it 90 more times though, I'm sure eventually it will become a fact, maybe even a religion.

 

[Mindmelted]

It is a lot of people's opinion.

 

[Dr Kynes]

That's like, your opinion man.

go ahead and repeat it 90 more times though, I'm sure eventually it will become a fact, maybe even a religion.

lets make a deal.

you stop dragging the river for the bloated and stinking corpse of Spoonerite proto-marxism, and ill stop exposing the flaws in the aforementioned proto-marxism.

 

[ChesusRice]

And here we go again. Netan-Yahoo's response to the UN vote is to announce Israel to build new Jewish settlement homes after UN Palestine vote

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The Beatings shall continue until Morale Improves

 

[abandonconflict]

lets make a deal.

you stop dragging the river for the bloated and stinking corpse of Spoonerite proto-marxism, and ill stop exposing the flaws in the aforementioned proto-marxism.

THAT'S MARXISM! = exposing flaws.

True story.

 

[Dr Kynes]

My Proto-Marxist Spoonerite Utopian Communist Fantasyland Isn't Marxism! It Just Looks So Much Like Marxism That It Is Indistinguishable To The Casual Observer!
True story.

yeah,, you got it all sewn up. your "political philosophy" is so well grounded, logical and totally workable that all the lefties are lining up around the block for a copy of your poorly mimeographed manifesto consisting of just six words in big bold colours:

Libertarian Socialism Is Not An Oxymoron!!!!

 

[abandonconflict]

yeah,, you got it all sewn up. your "political philosophy" is so well grounded, logical and totally workable that all the lefties are lining up around the block for a copy of your poorly mimeographed manifesto consisting of just six words in big bold colours:

LibertarianSocialismIs NotAnOxymoron!!!!

Anarchocapitalism is most certainly an oxymoron.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Anarchocapitalism is most certainly an oxymoron.

of course it is.

anarchy precludes the formation of markets,, and industry what with the roving bands of raiders and the eternal quest to find a few more drops of gasoline in the dystopian wasteland future.

a future where the only sport left is called Jugging, in which the goal is to put a dogs skull on a stake, and just maybe, draw the attention of The League.

Of all the Juggers ever to play the game, Sallow was the best...

 

[abandonconflict]

of course it is.

anarchy precludes the formation of markets,, and industry what with the roving bands of raiders and the eternal quest to find a few more drops of gasoline in the dystopian wasteland future.

a future where the only sport left is called Jugging, in which the goal is to put a dogs skull on a stake, and just maybe, draw the attention of The League.

Of all the Juggers ever to play the game, Sallow was the best...

Sounds awesome.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Sounds awesome.

actually it is,

Blood of Heroes starring Rutger Hauer.

best sports movie ever. better than feild of dreams, better than rudy, better than the longest yard (with burt reynolds, not the adam sandler crapfest)

 

[abandonconflict]

actually it is,

Blood of Heroes starring Rutger Hauer.

best sports movie ever. better than feild of dreams, better than rudy, better than the longest yard (with burt reynolds, not the adam sandler crapfest)

Yeah cause anarchy has coercive groups ruling in a highly regimented hierarchy.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Yeah cause anarchy has coercive groups ruling in a highly regimented hierarchy.

anarchy for those in the wasteland, but a socialist paradise for the leaders of the underground city-states who host The League.

it's not political, it's a sports movie set in a post-holocaust wasteland. check it out.

 

[abandonconflict]

anarchy for those in the wasteland, but a socialist paradise for the leaders of the underground city-states who host The League.

it's not political, it's a sports movie set in a post-holocaust wasteland. check it out.

Israel has no right to exist. It's foundation is nonsecular and fully belligerent. The precedent for it's creation was in a work of fiction called the Torah and for it's continued expansion a colonial doctrine called "Right of conquest". It is a genocidal, rogue state with no regard for international law. It ought to be dissolved and replaced with a democratic Palestinian authority.

 

[Dr Kynes]

the USA has no right to exist. It's foundation is nonsecular and fully belligerent. The precedent for it's creation was in a work of fiction called the Virginia Colonial Grant and for it's continued expansion a colonial doctrine called "Manifest Destiny". It is a genocidal, rogue state with no regard for international law. It ought to be dissolved and replaced with a Tribal Native American Society.

England has no right to exist. It's foundation is nonsecular and fully belligerent. The precedent for it's creation was in a work of fiction called the Bayeux Tapestry and for it's continued expansion a colonial doctrine called "Magna Carta". It is a genocidal, rogue state with no regard for international law. It ought to be dissolved and replaced with a Britain Belgae Celtic and Pictish Feudal Clan System.

France has no right to exist. It's foundation is nonsecular and fully belligerent. The precedent for it's creation was in a work of fiction called the Carolingian Dynasty and for it's continued expansion a colonial doctrine called "French Revolution". It is a genocidal, rogue state with no regard for international law. It ought to be dissolved and replaced with a Roman Provincial Governor.

 

[abandonconflict]

Um, I'm an anarchist bro. Bark. wrong tree.