Fan Leafs. Blockers of Light Or Energy Producers???

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I know that defoliation works. I also know that there are many other methods that produce great results. There are some assholes in this thread that are convinced their way is the only way. Why not do a side by side instead of being a pissy bitch and saying your method is the only way to go?
 
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This, I can't stand the people that argue with me when i say that taking off fan leaves varies with strain and growing style and say that taking fan leaves off is bad no matter what. Well guess what, for me and my style (heaving indica and sog style) taking the fan leaves off during certain stages of the grow cycle and moderately to clear space for light and air has proven to create higher yields and denser buds. I've tried due to laziness multiple times to get away without fan leafing and it always bites me in the ass come harvest time. Different strokes for different folks. Do both and see what works best.
 
donmagicjuan said:
just because they are healthy doesnt mean they arent too big for ur light, if u lst differently and grow shorter you can make better use of ur light and ur fan leaves while wasting less time on veg. one of ur lights is shitty and whats up with ur pics stolen from open grow?
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And one of my lights is shitty? Dude you're a dumbfuck, straight up. STFU.
 
some of the recent posts in this thread have been bullshit, tempted to unsubscribe, but on that note anyone who believes defoliation isnt beneficial doesnt realize that when another leaf casts a shadow on one below it, that leaf becomes useless(sorry if i repeat anything anyone or i have already said, its common growing knowledge so some people are gonna accuse you of just changing other peoples words from a few posts ago). as well as any branch in the shadows, its just another place for the plant to separate the flow of energy(that should be going to main buds, but some prefer getting a few main buds and a shit ton of popcorn nugs, have fun trimmin genius), so either way you put it, proper defoliation is gonna benefit in the long run. instead of trimming i would much rather suggest training so any growth is hit by direct light, leaves are the powerhouses of your plant and you shouldnt forget that, but whats the use of a solar panel in the shadows? not shit, thats wasted energy the plant could have put towards more significant growth. keep all the leaves you can but if they're in the shadows, you can even put yourself at risk, to thick of a bush is more likely to get mold damage from lack of air flow, and likely an infestation since you cant look at every bud spot up close and all the leaves are practically sheltering them, be smart, do a scrog or train em to grow horizontally. if your method w/o defoliation has proven to work better, its very likely you defoliated way too much the first time you tried, or took off way too many leaves on one day(which has potential to stress your gals but many environmental factors do so its the least of your problems), dont make em palm trees, just make sure some light can hit em. maybe try training them to grow around your pot, exposing the branches allows equal growth(if they're the same height, any one that gets ahead is a clone to me), this way you can also control where energy goes on the plant(if you want one of the buds to get fatter, tie the bigger one down so its not as high as the less developed one) and you wont have to get rid of any leaves really(unless you get the bushiest strain possible probably). we can all argue that nature has the best way of letting things grow, but i dont see any vertical grows in nature, its because nature doesnt focus on efficiency but rather survival of a species, it puts out so many leaves so when a predator eats off some of the plant, theres plenty of other opportunities. we grow plants for efficiency, why proper defoliation always yields better results, and because the plant will mature more evenly, it will likely yield much more, and be more potent since the buds were given the chance to reach maturity.
 
Uncle Ben said:
And so is a picture with a plant's leaves left on like nature intended it to be, like my avatar. His main colas are not that fat, nor do we see a room of mature plants ready for harvest. It's about at this point that folks induce premature leaf necrosis due to the application of bloom foods, do the never ending coverup dance by embracing an ill conceived cannabis forum paradigm. If you can't retain 90% of a plant's leaves come harvest, you need to start over and read some books on plant culture....and nutrition.

This is not hearsay people, it's science.

Sheesh, with every new crop of noobies......
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Your plant in your avatar is ok looking, plants come in many manor of shapes and sizes, i would still class your plant as a small to medium plant, as a single plant it would need little canopy management

how much did it yield ?

i would not be so bold as to state that my plants are an example of what ALL plants should look like and how they should be grown
that would be both ignorant and silly
i would only hope folk get stuck in and experiment and find out what works for them

although it's great to know some growers among us are wearing hair-nets, white hats and coats, holding science degrees
They must be smoking some truly awesome shit


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a few more unscientific colas above

peace :)
 
donmagicjuan said:
no it is its the cheap shit u couldnt hook a filter fan to it it blows

and^^ that means ur plant is too big for the light:cry:
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Well that's fucking hilarious dude. First thing, my light doesn't have a fucking thing to do with the subject here, I don't remember complaining about my light, ohh wait I didn't because the fucking thing works just fine.

Fucking idiots cant win on one subject so they try to start another.
 
Trousers said:
I know that defoliation works. I also know that there are many other methods that produce great results. There are some assholes in this thread that are convinced their way is the only way. Why not do a side by side instead of being a pissy bitch and saying your method is the only way to go?
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This would require them to actually have some growing experience
rather than copy and pasting from websites or quoting from grow books
basically some folk like to follow others, that way they avoid taking risks, if they fail they can blame the book they read
others like to find their own way, will make mistakes along the way and hopefully learn from them

peace :)
 
stumpjumper said:
Well that's fucking hilarious dude. First thing, my light doesn't have a fucking thing to do with the subject here, I don't remember complaining about my light, ohh wait I didn't because the fucking thing works just fine.

Fucking idiots cant win on one subject so they try to start another.
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that hood is a blowjob dude, im sure it works, but if it doesnt penetrate your plants are too big for it sorry dude winning
 
Shit ive killed 80% of the leaves on plants and pulled colas as tall and almost as fat as a cereal box. It is awesome to apply advanced botanical knowledge tp growing premium herb. Lets get real though. Genetics play a massive role in how a plant will grow and produce. Im a'very average grower. Some of my grows have looked like shit but even i can pull 18 inch colas.
 
Trousers said:
I know that defoliation works.
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Works to what effect?

Why not do a side by side instead of being a pissy bitch and saying your method is the only way to go?
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Because it's not about another boring, cannabis forum, hocus pocus "method". May be for you but for me it's about science. You've got every kind of "method" tried on an unscientific basis in these blind-leading-the-blind forums and 90% of them actually work against the plant, like the use of bloom foods which screws up the chlorophyll (pigment) that starts this process and the chloroplasts where they are located. And now you're requesting yet another unscientific side by side as opposed to going to a bonafide source like Mel Frank who includes real empirical evidence on cannabis......real scientific studies done by the University of Miss.? Are you frickin' kidding me?

The REAL issue is about maximizing photosynthesis. By removing healthy green fan leaves (which are the plant's most effective and efficient light gatherers) you're reducing the very unit that produces those yields. You guys really don't get it. It's just plain laughable. http://www.ftexploring.com/photosyn/chloroplast.html

Author R.C. Clarke, the authority on cannabis botany, dispels the popular forum 'leafing' myth/paradigm in his book "Marihuana Botany". BUY it.

Also, what in the hell is such a basic botanical question (thread) doing in "Advanced?

Uncle Ben
 
Uncle Ben said:
Works to what effect?



Because it's not about another boring, cannabis forum, hocus pocus "method". May be for you but for me it's about science. You've got every kind of "method" tried on an unscientific basis in these blind-leading-the-blind forums and 90% of them actually work against the plant, like the use of bloom foods which screws up the chlorophyll (pigment) that starts this process and the chloroplasts where they are located. And now you're requesting yet another unscientific side by side as opposed to going to a bonafide source like Mel Frank who includes real empirical evidence on cannabis......real scientific studies done by the University of Miss.? Are you frickin' kidding me?

The REAL issue is about maximizing photosynthesis. By removing healthy green fan leaves (which are the plant's most effective and efficient light gatherers) you're reducing the very unit that produces those yields. You guys really don't get it. It's just plain laughable. http://www.ftexploring.com/photosyn/chloroplast.html

Author R.C. Clarke, the authority on cannabis botany, dispels the popular forum 'leafing' myth/paradigm in his book "Marihuana Botany". BUY it.

Also, what in the hell is such a basic botanical question (thread) doing in "Advanced?

Uncle Ben
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I wonder why it works for so many people if it's so wrong?
 
Well UB when I read statements like, "but on that note anyone who believes defoliation isnt beneficial dosent realize that when a leaf casts a shadow on one below it that leaf becomes useless", its makes me laugh my ass off. Yep, these guys really know their botany!. Fact is its just easier for them to believe the unbelievable rather than the scientific facts presented. Let them prune away, good for them.....
 
Alexander Supertramp said:
Well UB when I read statements like, "but on that note anyone who believes defoliation isnt beneficial dosent realize that when a leaf casts a shadow on one below it that leaf becomes useless", its makes me laugh my ass off. Yep, these guys really know their botany!. Fact is its just easier for them to believe the unbelievable rather than the scientific facts presented. Let them prune away, good for them.....
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the sole purpose of a leaf is to photosynthesize, when in the shadows they get almost no lumens(idk if youve ever grown any type of plant but if its in the shadows it wont thrive necessarily, dont need a degree in botany to know that) and later on in flower they can be used as a secondary energy source but if your using enough nutes your plant wont need all those leaves will it? just more opportunities for infestations, mold, etc. so, explain, whats so good about having leaves/branches in the shadows? do you just love your popcorn nugs that much? ill keep training and pruning, have fun trimming for hours and getting immature buds buddy.
 
corban said:
Does defoliation affect the quality/strength of the yield at all?
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potency, yes. maturity takes longer for buds found farther from their source of light, or shadowed by leaves, they have much less amber trichs. as for yield, yes since the buds dont mature evenly without defoliating a bit(some training helps a bunch as well) and your left with immature popcorn nugs that are just diverting energy from the bigger buds that could mature a week or two faster than those popcorn nugs are going to take.
 
Uncle Ben said:
Because it's not about another boring, cannabis forum, hocus pocus "method". May be for you but for me it's about science.
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Although I don't have a degree in horticulture or botany, I've taken several college level courses in these disciplines, and agree that the science is important. In the science of botany we can't be so one dimensional in our scientific approaches to the boxed into thinking that it's only about light, air, soil, and nkp. There are much stronger hormonal actions and influences going on within the plant that we also need to consider. Perhaps by defoliating, although we do reduce the amount of photosynthetic receptors, hormones are released by the plant when it gets defoliated that allow it to photosynthesize at a faster rate. It's something to think about. Don't get caught up in one dimensional thinking. The world isn't flat either, if you hadn't heard yet.
 
crazyhazey said:
potency, yes. maturity takes longer for buds found farther from their source of light, or shadowed by leaves, they have much less amber trichs. as for yield, yes since the buds dont mature evenly without defoliating a bit(some training helps a bunch as well) and your left with immature popcorn nugs that are just diverting energy from the bigger buds that could mature a week or two faster than those popcorn nugs are going to take.
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Source?...
 
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