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Doer

Well-Known Member
Dude... WTF? Lost you in the mumbo jumbo...
I'm sorry, I can't make it any more plain than this. It is not about our opinions and it is not about this current President or some other. This has been going on a long time, only the non-informed of History would see my post as mumbo jumbo. I can suggest some reading, if you'd like.
 

echelon1k1

New Member
I'm sorry, I can't make it any more plain than this. It is not about our opinions and it is not about this current President or some other. This has been going on a long time, only the non-informed of History would see my post as mumbo jumbo. I can suggest some reading, if you'd like.
Just not sure what gravitational corridors have to do with this thread or terrorism in general.
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
You don't win many wars by going on TV & telling your enemy everything you know or suspect about them. Not wise! You ever play poker? I want to play poker with you.
And yet, that is exactly what we are doing in Afghanistan. A time line for the draw done, and date certain when we are gone. It isn't poker. And it isn't personal. Many will wallow in the insults and Parting Shots. And very many on this forum can never understand the totally impersonal nature of World Politics Realism. They are still manipulated babies in Thought. Niccolò Machiavelli, The Prince, is a place to start. Or the ignorant, may choose to stay so.
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
Just not sure what gravitational corridors have to do with this thread or terrorism in general.
You seem to be knocked into the cocked hat, sir. I don't even care to know what you mean. You can google "cocked hat." I doubt if your nonsense can be.
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
Am i missing something?
Yes, terrorism at every level, you are missing the fact that we have already begun. China shot down a Sat from land base. We shot one of our Sats from a Destroyer in a full Gale force sea condition. All our main assets, communication and observation, as well as navigation are where? And the fact is we have a ripe expensive target only 200 miles up called the International Space Station. The 23,000 mile geocentric orbit. The polar observation orbits where the Earth turn under the cameras and you can get a new look at the same spot every 90 minutes. The LEOs (low to Earth) where the short duration, steerable orbits are used by secret spy Sats. The La Grange, L1, 2, 4, points, are the high hills, militarily. The most important are the boost phase into Space Lanes. So, do you now know what Space Lanes are? :) It would be much easier if you just ask. Then I can separate you from the toadstools with stupidity as their only motivation.
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
Yes, terrorism at every level, you are missing the fact that we have already begun. China shot down a Sat from land base. We shot one of our Sats from a Destroyer in a full Gale force sea condition. All our main assets, communication and observation, as well as navigation are where? And the fact is we have a ripe expensive target only 200 miles up called the International Space Station. The 23,000 mile geocentric orbit. The polar observation orbits where the Earth turn under the cameras and you can get a new look at the same spot every 90 minutes. The LEOs (low to Earth) where the short duration, steerable orbits are used by secret spy Sats. The La Grange, L1, 2, 4, points, are the high hills, militarily. The most important are the boost phase into Space Lanes. So, do you now know what Space Lanes are? :) It would be much easier if you just ask. Then I can separate you from the toadstools with stupidity as their only motivation.
uhh.. dude.

the chinese and the US are the only nations who have demonstrated the ability to drop a satellite, and that was only with satellites they controlled themselves, shooting somebody else's would be a whole new ballgame, targeting wise.

as far as your main thrust, iran has no ability to drop a satellite, they dont even claim that, since it would be absurd. further, the idea that terrorist groups could manage to shoot down a satellite hinges upon their first mission,

Capturing Tony Stark.

seriously, despite their bluster, vitriol and vehemence the iranians have a long history of NOT starting shit, they have never even attacked israel, they just bluster and shake their fists a lot. hell they didnt even START the war with iraq, if the iranians DO get their mitts on a nuclear weapon, it's doubtful their would use it unless somebody starts shit. if i were in their place, with the US constantly threatening me, blustering and squawking about war (especially after the whole deposing of their government in 53) i would want a nuclear deterrent too.

but they signed the non-proliferation treaty, took the benefits of the treaty, and promised to not seek weapons technology. they need to either abandon the treaty and forego the benefits, or accept the deal and let the iaea inspect their nuclear research facilities. they cant have it both ways, just like sadam couldnt have his cease fire after gulf war 1, but still shoot at coalition forces and prevent hans blix and his bikini inspection team from looking for the shit they actually still had.

and yes, iraq had wmd's just no nukes. there have been plenty of chemical weapons caches found, and many suspicious bio-research labs uncovered. consult your wikileaks for full details.
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
I said soon we will be protecting the Space Lanes. Rght now, as you describe it, is actually yesterday. India is working on Anti-Sat as well as Russia and France. So, be much more tomorrow thinking. . And that will clue you for the actual, secret Now. Judge History for this. We cannot be doomed to fight the last war. Death from Space is next. So, late to the discussion but is not what you think. My stance is there is nothing is new. Not Libya, not Persia, not protecting the commerce of the world. Same old problem. Same young minds. We have enemies. And how short sighted to say, "uh dude..." Means you are being so yesterday. :) So, you predict we will be suddenly peaceful and never have to fight in Space? I didn't think so. I listed the 2 nations that have anti-Sat and you act like that's it. Done deal. The rest of it seems, head in the sand wishful thinking about yesterday. We have weapons in Space right now. Iran is working on ICBMs. The precursor of Space Faring. The Iranian's never start shit? What are you smoking? Get a better grade, I'd say.
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
I said soon we will be protecting the Space Lanes. Rght now, as you describe it, is actually yesterday. India is working on Anti-Sat as well as Russia and France. So, be much more tomorrow thinking. . And that will clue you for the actual, secret Now. Judge History for this. We cannot be doomed to fight the last war. Death from Space is next. So, late to the discussion but is not what you think. My stance is there is nothing is new. Not Libya, not Persia, not protecting the commerce of the world. Same old problem. Same young minds. We have enemies. And how short sighted to say, "uh dude..." Means you are being so yesterday. :) So, you predict we will be suddenly peaceful and never have to fight in Space? I didn't think so. I listed the 2 nations that have anti-Sat and you act like that's it. Done deal. The rest of it seems, head in the sand wishful thinking about yesterday. We have weapons in Space right now. Iran is working on ICBMs. The precursor of Space Faring. The Iranian's never start shit? What are you smoking? Get a better grade, I'd say.
BTW, it is extremely short sighted to think that the tangos want space weapon. Sophistry. At every level simply means infiltration. Terrorism is infiltration. Wake Up.
 

ginjawarrior

Well-Known Member
blowing up enough satellites is a sure way of making sure NOTHING or NO ONE can use space as we cannot build sufficient armour to survive 17000mile an hour scatter gun effect it would be akin to destroying the suez/ panama canal and when the nations of the earth realise we're stuck on this rock for thousands of years to come the perpetrator would become very unpopular indeed
 

Doer

Well-Known Member
blowing up enough satellites is a sure way of making sure NOTHING or NO ONE can use space as we cannot build sufficient armour to survive 17000mile an hour scatter gun effect it would be akin to destroying the suez/ panama canal and when the nations of the earth realize we're stuck on this rock for thousands of years to come the perpetrator would become very unpopular indeed
Well, I agree only mutual assured destruction is keeping us gain. But there is a very obvious thing. The credible threat is not the problem. If you every play chess or Go, there are many ways to get pushed into only bad choices. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. No way to win. But, no way to stop. All the perps are dead, and as you say, we are fucked for 1000 years. Exactly what the Caliphate wants. Back to the stone age to replay the entire thing.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
blowing up enough satellites is a sure way of making sure NOTHING or NO ONE can use space as we cannot build sufficient armour to survive 17000mile an hour scatter gun effect it would be akin to destroying the suez/ panama canal and when the nations of the earth realise we're stuck on this rock for thousands of years to come the perpetrator would become very unpopular indeed
Should débris in orbit become a strategic issue, lasering it is not within current capabilities but on the horizon. The science is there; it becomes a matter of technical development. I big terrestrial laser will do it. A smaller orbiting laser combined with a large investment in radar would work as well. This isn't a Doomsday scenario imo. The very small particles will deorbit from atmospheric drag or get blown off by the solar wind. cn
 

echelon1k1

New Member
I said soon we will be protecting the Space Lanes. Rght now, as you describe it, is actually yesterday. India is working on Anti-Sat as well as Russia and France. So, be much more tomorrow thinking. . And that will clue you for the actual, secret Now. Judge History for this. We cannot be doomed to fight the last war. Death from Space is next. So, late to the discussion but is not what you think. My stance is there is nothing is new. Not Libya, not Persia, not protecting the commerce of the world. Same old problem. Same young minds. We have enemies. And how short sighted to say, "uh dude..." Means you are being so yesterday. :) So, you predict we will be suddenly peaceful and never have to fight in Space? I didn't think so. I listed the 2 nations that have anti-Sat and you act like that's it. Done deal. The rest of it seems, head in the sand wishful thinking about yesterday. We have weapons in Space right now. Iran is working on ICBMs. The precursor of Space Faring. The Iranian's never start shit? What are you smoking? Get a better grade, I'd say.
Iran has ICBM capabilities. Most countrys have an "anti-Sat" capability with modifications to ICBM systems.

Space based weapons platforms is anything but new. The US is leading thanks to regan's SDI.

Conventional Anti-Sat isn't required it's to overt. But kinetic energy based weapons are the way of the future and terrorist groups will not be gaining those capabilities.

Without a TS/SCI clearance you sir, know nothing more than the your average punter.
 

echelon1k1

New Member
Should débris in orbit become a strategic issue, lasering it is not within current capabilities but on the horizon. The science is there; it becomes a matter of technical development. I big terrestrial laser will do it. A smaller orbiting laser combined with a large investment in radar would work as well. This isn't a Doomsday scenario imo. The very small particles will deorbit from atmospheric drag or get blown off by the solar wind. cn
Thats why the US has the space fence. We'll one reason anyway.
 

echelon1k1

New Member
You don't win many wars by going on TV & telling your enemy everything you know or suspect about them. Not wise!
You ever play poker? I want to play poker with you.
That's how it works when you have a national security state wrapped in democracy. Balancing secrecy with openness is a very hard task in the information age.
 

echelon1k1

New Member
NO they dont
Can you be 100% sure they didn't gain the capability from Russia? Russia have been helping the iranians, out alot and only increasing they're strategic weapons capabilities while the US and her allies have been engaged in multiple wars pouring money down a black hole.

Back to your circle jerk.
 
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