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Well he know whats's up, and that's good enuff for meBerner is not a grower, or breeder (if that's the video you're talking about)
Well he know whats's up, and that's good enuff for meBerner is not a grower, or breeder (if that's the video you're talking about)
That pollen chucker has come up with 3 hit strains in 4 years. Champagne, cherry pie, and cookies.So the pollen chucker of a breeder says that there are multiple legit phenos.
Well I have a pheno of GSC that tested out @ 28.5% total cannabinoid content. And it's NOT thin mints even though it looks identical. Seems pretty legit to me. My "fake" GSC is stronger than "real" GSC.What do you expect them to say? Subcool says the same thing. Doesn't not make him a pollen chucker, nor does it make is easier to FIND that elite pheno. And what if the elite pheno is expressing recessive genes? Then it makes it even harder to locate. It's like finding that super great blueberry pheno in DJ Shorts gear. It's in there. But it's so hard to find it might as well be clone only.
That's because it's a phenotype of GSC.Thin Mint is still Clone ONLY!
Well he can say whatever he wants. He doesn't get to change the rules of breeding.He even says on the video if you have GSC seeds, Dont call them GSC, call them Jeff's cookies or something else.
There are tons of nearly identical but not identical cuttings of GSC out there. You can pretend they are all "fake" if you like, but I assure you they exist.A phenotype becomes clone only because you can only get it from that clone! Every strain came from seed and every seed is unique.
You are confusing "thin mints" the pheno with "girl scout cookies" the strain. These other phenos are not children of the thin mints phenos, but brothers and sisters.Just as each and everyone one of us is unique. Say your name is Jeff, and you have a child, is that child Jeff also? No he is not!
Ok, but if you take GSC seeds and grow them out they are GSC. They might not be the same pheno of GSC as thin mints, but they are still GSC.Maybe Jeff Junior or Jeff the II but not you. Even if you take GSC and produce seeds, they are everything and anything but GSC.
My problem is that you don't understand the difference between a phenotype and a strain. My other problem is that you seem to be under the impression that you can distinguish these phenotypes my looking at pictures of them when I have phenos of GSC you couldn't tell apart if they were in your hand.I don't have a problem with someone saying they have GSC seeds, what I have a problem with is people popping those seeds and calling them GSC, which they are no longer. Call them Girl Scouts with dicks, Mother Fucking Cookies or something else. Breeders like Cali Connection are guilty of this. He comes out with a Chem 91 crossed to SFV then BX to Chem 91 and calls it Chem 91, it's no longer Chem 91, maybe Chem 911 or something similar.
The other guy in the video who's talking about GSC seeds is part of the crew who bred them.Berner is not a grower, or breeder (if that's the video you're talking about)
It doesn't make him not a pollen chucker. That's called luck. Now if he stabilized each of those strains and released seeds that reliably produced the same plant he would be a breeder. Subcool has had success and makes good money, but he's still a pollen chucker. That's how we end up with clone only strains. And don't get me wrong. I totally see the attraction. I have dreams of pollen chucking into the next big thing myself.That pollen chucker has come up with 3 hit strains in 4 years. Champagne, cherry pie, and cookies.
Well I have a pheno of GSC that tested out @ 28.5% total cannabinoid content. And it's NOT thin mints even though it looks identical. Seems pretty legit to me. My "fake" GSC is stronger than "real" GSC.
They are highly proficient pollen chuckers then.It doesn't make him not a pollen chucker. That's called luck. Now if he stabilized each of those strains and released seeds that reliably produced the same plant he would be a breeder. Subcool has had success and makes good money, but he's still a pollen chucker.
GSC is certainly not clone only.That's how we end up with clone only strains.
I believe I have just done so. We'll see in a few months. But I've got a strain that's passed all my test runs and is moving into the final test, full production in the main hydro room.And don't get me wrong. I totally see the attraction. I have dreams of pollen chucking into the next big thing myself.
And my pheno proves it's not clone only.It's wonderful that you have a pheno that is better than the thin mints pheno. And?
Now I'm confused...I never said it was fake, nor did I say it wasn't possible to have another legit cut of GSC.
No I'm arguing the fact that GSC isn't clone only and you can't tell apart the phenos by looking at pictures on the internet. I'm also objecting to the word "fake" people are using when describing GSC phenos. I've seen GSC at ~50 different clubs over the past year, every single one claims their's is the real cut and everything else is a fake. It's getting retarded. The are all real (for the most part) they are just different phenos.
. I think you're getting caught up in the argument for the sake of the argument.
No, you're not confused. I never said there was only one legit cut. I said that the thin mints cut is the forum cut is a legit cut. And it is. I also think what's happening is that you are thinking that they (they being the IC mag people)all looked at each others photos and said, Hey it's all the same, it's the forum cut!. When what I am understanding is that many of these people live close enough to each other that they actually traded clones and actually have the same cut, called the forum cut. Which is the thin mints cut. (Note that I make no claims about which one is better!)They are highly proficient pollen chuckers then.
GSC is certainly not clone only.
I should have said "Clone only phenotypes" then. Look at my Blue Dream example. According to how you are looking at it, NOTHING is clone only.
I believe I have just done so. We'll see in a few months. But I've got a strain that's passed all my test runs and is moving into the final test, full production in the main hydro room.
And my pheno proves it's not clone only.
Now I'm confused...
No I'm arguing the fact that GSC isn't clone only and you can't tell apart the phenos by looking at pictures on the internet. I'm also objecting to the word "fake" people are using when describing GSC phenos. I've seen GSC at ~50 different clubs over the past year, every single one claims their's is the real cut and everything else is a fake. It's getting retarded. The are all real (for the most part) they are just different phenos.
Also, OGKB isn't the same as platinum cookies. I have both. Also I'm objecting to the use of the word "forum cut". Many GSC phenos look the same but are very different. You can not identify them through a picture on the internet.
Well, let's remember where this debate began:No, you're not confused. I never said there was only one legit cut. I said that the thin mints cut is the forum cut is a legit cut. And it is. I also think what's happening is that you are thinking that they (they being the IC mag people)all looked at each others photos and said, Hey it's all the same, it's the forum cut!. When what I am understanding is that many of these people live close enough to each other that they actually traded clones and actually have the same cut, called the forum cut. Which is the thin mints cut. (Note that I make no claims about which one is better!)
I agree that GSC is not clone only. Various phenos are clone only. (I think you agree with this) Nor do I think all other GSC's are fake. I think they are all phenotypes of an unstable polyhybrid strain called Girl Scout Cookies. Thus, they are ALL Girl Scout Cookies.
The forum cut GSC Thin Mint is Clone only! You can't reproduce that cut from seed! The rest of the cookies are FAKE. 98% of the people who have Cookies don't have the real GSC cut.
Seriously? You're going to quote someone else?Well, let's remember where this debate began:
Yes, the Thin Mints PHENO is clone only. That's not what was being disputed. What was being disputed was the idea that all other phenos of GSC are fake and are children of the thin mints pheno of GSC or come from hermie seeds.He's right that the thin mints cut of GSC is clone only, though.
All I'm saying is that you jumped into a debate in progress, and the quote I posted is what started it. It was a simple point of reference. And yes, I agree -- the Thin Mints cut is clone only.Seriously? You're going to quote someone else?
I am not Nightmarecreature. Never have been. If you take issue with his words, take issue with him. He can claim whatever he wants. He's right that the thin mints cut of GSC is clone only, though.