Jack Herer. Who has the best? Black label?

hazey grapes

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black label seeds is supposed to be linked with high quality seeds and at the very least shares the same annoyingly difficult to open packaging while white label seeds is related to a different breeder whose name i can't recall, but would recognize. i've seen 2 people report back bad on high quality and black label when i've had great viability from both. BLS masterkush isn't my favorite buzz, but it's a fast flowering compact strain that does it's thing well enough. HQS thai skunk is an OK average haze, but their haze x skunk is NICE and potent. maybe their gear is just average overall, but i do like haze skunk's potency, motivation, ability to tune pain and hunger out and just how long lasting it is without degrading to stone. as it's less than $30 too, i respect that strain a lot. i'm looking for better though.
 

canna_420

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black label seeds is supposed to be linked with high quality seeds and at the very least shares the same annoyingly difficult to open packaging while white label seeds is related to a different breeder whose name i can't recall, but would recognize. i've seen 2 people report back bad on high quality and black label when i've had great viability from both. BLS masterkush isn't my favorite buzz, but it's a fast flowering compact strain that does it's thing well enough. HQS thai skunk is an OK average haze, but their haze x skunk is NICE and potent. maybe their gear is just average overall, but i do like haze skunk's potency, motivation, ability to tune pain and hunger out and just how long lasting it is without degrading to stone. as it's less than $30 too, i respect that strain a lot. i'm looking for better though.
white label,sensi and tfd are all one company now
Black label,high quality and HGF share some owners
 
Sensi Seeds Jack Herer hands down. I've only grown the Sensi Jack, if i remember correctly I paid over 200usd for a 10 pack, pollinated two fems with the gnarliest male I sowed, ended up with dozens of seeds. Truly remarkable strain, grown organically in 3gal pots, untopped and scrog'd put into 12/12 when 12-18 inches tall under 600 watters it gives amazing yields.
 

hazey grapes

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jack herer and super silver haze are both haze, northern lights #5 & skunk #1 with different breeding orders. i think JH is (haze x NL#5) x skunk where super silver swaps the NL & skunk. JH is hazier than super silver anyways
 

Jogro

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Here is a link to a prior thread on this same topic:

https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/448947-jack-herer-who-has-best.html


jack herer and super silver haze are both haze, northern lights #5 & skunk #1 with different breeding orders. i think JH is (haze x NL#5) x skunk where super silver swaps the NL & skunk. JH is hazier than super silver anyways
That's basically right.

Both Jack Herer and Super Silver Haze are hybrids with roughly 1/2 Haze genetics, 1/8th Skunk and 3/8ths Northern lights. The purpose of the cross was to get the great "high" from the haze, but at the same time increase yield, and toughness of the plants, and decrease the really tall plant height and long flowering time typical of hazes. Supposedly all of the original crosses were done using "elite" in-house cuts of these strains from Sensi Seeds, so the very best parents were used.

In other words, the original JH and SSH were both made using the best available cuts from the best available commercial strains from the early 1990s. You're probably not going to "get there" by just crossing random plants grown from cheap packs of NL, Skunk, and Haze, unless you do a LOT of selection first.

Supposedly the strain c99 is just an excellent Jack Herer pheno that became its own line. (Or a seed found in a bag of Jack Herer, which probably amounts to the same thing).

Its also been alleged by Neville that both the original "Diesel" and the "SAGE" strain were also just Jack Herer phenos, though I'm a bit skeptical, particularly about the diesel.

But there definitely are several other "name" strains that are Haze-Skunk-NL hybrids, and therefore genetically similar to JH.

Examples would include Nirvana's "Jock Horror" a deliberate "homage", and Mr. Nice Super Mango Haze, which comes from nearly the same parent stock as the original super silver haze, but was selected differently. There undoubtedly are other "name" strains that are similar, but the true lineage is either unknown, or deliberately obscured.

There are also any number of hybrids using JH plants as a parent. For example, all of the various "Jack" strains, eg Critical Jack, Jack the Ripper, Jack Widow, Jack Flash, Jack Frost, Jack's cleaner, etc. There are probably 100 others that are in fact Jack herer hybrids, but again the lineage is either unknown or deliberately obscured.

Anyway, to answer the original question, I've only had the pleasure of trying this strain once in Amsterdam, and I have no idea where that line came from. I haven't tried enough of these to know which is the best, but I don't think you can go wrong with Sannies. He's selectively bred his for seven generations, and its both stable and relatively inexpensive.
 

hazey grapes

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there's no way i'm EVER popping $225 off on seeds no matter HOW good they are because there's plenty of great shit at $50 and under. if you want something more potent and trippy than herer, just get a longer flowering strain that has less or even no indica in it at all. you'll lose yield and have to wait longer, but that's just the compromise you have to make if you want "the best". from everything i've read in reports, killing fields and jack the ripper should be as trippy as some 15 week plus strains.

regardless, sannie's $50 jack f7 gets much respect for maintaining it's authenticity unlike some breeders' watered down versions and hybrids and is a deal at that price. i WISH i had some to test right now.
 

blindbaby

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i have a jack herer, that i got after i gifted a bcgod to this old fart. i beleive its the "squat" sensi pheno. very lemony. outdoors, it gets 6'. indoor, 3'. its been with me a while. my only bitch, is that its a trimmer....but, lots of nice trim! i dont think ive had a plant, that is more vigorous..either...
 

blindbaby

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they all use differnet genetics, and have the gall to call em jack herer. the real jack herer, was specially invented by sensi, as a tribute to jack herer. so. its the "REAL DEAL".
 

hazey grapes

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sannie's is honest. they call their version jack f7 so you know it's a knockoff. those that have tried it claim it's comparable to the original. personally. i'm HAPPY breeders make knockoffs. otherwise, many of us would never get to try some of the best stuff. i don't even like spending $100 on beans and can't picture ever spending $225 on them. back around '00, i seem to remember only neville had haze, and his was something like $270. as much as i wanted to try it, it wasn't gonna happen. maybe 10% difference, if even that on a bad day isn't worth 4x $ to me. if there was ever a UFO promotion giving sensi herer away though, i'd find an excuse to make an order.
 

blindbaby

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high! thanks for the response! i agree. my jack is a sensi. (but again, we all are "assuming"., arent we? . anyway she is nice. lots of trimming=lots of bud trim! lemon/wintergreen heaven....
 

Jogro

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sannie's is honest. they call their version jack f7 so you know it's a knockoff. .
Sannie may be honest, but unfortunately, I can't say the same of you.

Is it too much to ask that if you don't know what you're talking about, you NOT just make stuff up?

The reason Sannie calls his current version "Sannies Jack F7" is because (completely unsurprisingly if you know what the term "F7" means) its a selected 7th generation inbred Jack Herer. Two years ago, he was calling his version "Sannies Jack F6". I'll leave it to you as an exercise to figure out why he changed the name.

In any case, in no sense is this line a "knockoff". Sannie started with Sensi's Jack Herer beans, then inbred them and did selection repeatedly over multiple generations to bring out what he thought was the best of the line and stabilize it.

You can argue whether or not any line that doesn't have the word "Sensi" on the pack is really "Jack Herer", but given that 100% of its genetics come from Sensi's version, I'd argue that in the most meaningful sense, it is.

In fact, Sannies version may even more "more" authentic than Sensi's because supposedly Sensi lost its original parent plants a few years back, and had to recreate this line from scratch. Assuming that's true, it might be fairer to say that Sannie has the original, and Sensi, the "knockoff".
 

mcrandle

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i found one, lol. My secret, sorry. rofl. listen, it is sensi crossed with sannies! nice eh? decent priced. Googled away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow, what a real prick. You guys are giving him all this help and he finds one and acts like a freaking child and doesn't reciprocate.
 

blindbaby

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sorry. i did see more places, that had their own jack herer. some ive smoked from the farmers market. none was like mine. it looked way hard buds, but isent jk herer like 60-70% sativa? tasted good, this stuff. but i thought mine was tastier. i feel lucky to have this cut. it is a cut ive kept. no need to call names. the internet is getting so bad for that. i got some sannie seeds. i have not popped em yet. extreama. and madshack. i asked the gifter of my jack herer, to let me know as much as he can about this cut. im just curious.
 

Jogro

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sorry. i did see more places, that had their own jack herer. some ive smoked from the farmers market. none was like mine. it looked way hard buds, but isent jk herer like 60-70% sativa?
This is a gigantic can of worms.

On paper, Jack Herer is supposed to be 50% Haze (which is 100% sativa), 12.5% Skunk (itself 75% sativa), and 37.5% Northern lights (nobody is absolutely certain about the genetics here, but its mostly indica, let call this one 25% sativa).

So yes, if you do the math, "by the book" the original Jack Herer is about 69% sativa, maybe a bit less if the parent Northern lights was more than 75% indica, and/or if the original Skunk pheno used to do the cross was more than 25% indica.

The problem with this estimate is that it really doesn't tell you ANYTHING useful about the plant at all. Even if the plant truly is 70% sativa by genetic lineage (and that's debatable, see below) WHICH traits come from the sativa parents, and which from the indica parents? Based solely on that number, we don't know. The bud density could be indica, sativa, or somewhere in between. Ditto for flavor, high quality, plant shape/growth, etc.

Ultimately, the selection applied to create the final line matters here a *LOT* more than the original parent genetics, and so IMO to the extent that it matters whether or not this is indica/sativa, I'd say its best to just consider Jack Herer a sativa-dominant hybrid, as most people do, and leave it at that

Now, just to confuse things a bit, I would like to add that even if we do know the exact parentage of Jack Herer, short of genetic sequencing, there is really NO WAY to determine the true percentage indica/sativa. The reason is that inbreeding to create each parent line (both Skunk and NL) as well as further possible inbreeding of the Jack Herer once created, will likely have altered the percentages here.

Let me explain with an example.

Lets say I take a pure 100% indica Afghani landrace strain and cross it to a pure 100% sativa Columbian landrace. These F1 hybrid offspring will be 50% indica - 50% sativa. So far so good.

Now lets say I take two of these 50-50% offspring and cross them to create an F2 generation. Since each parent is 50% indica -50% sativa, these F2 plants should all be 50-50 indica-sativa too, right?

Wrong!

The reason is that in sexual crossings, genetics assort randomly. Yes, on AVERAGE the F2 offspring "should" be 50-50 indica-sativa, assuming we had enough of them. But in practice we're going to create a "bell curve" of various phenotypes lying all the way across the spectrum from nearly all sativa to nearly all indica. Most of these plants will be "mutts" showing a combination of both Afghan and Columbian traits, some more than others. But given enough offspring, by random chance a few individual plants would be expected to be highly similar to either the original Afghan or Columbian grandparents, phenotypically over 90% indica or sativa.

If we're going to do further breeding, what's going to determine the amount of indica/sativa traits going forward is our SELECTION of which F2s we're going to continue to breed with, not the percentage genetics of the F1 parents!

The bottom line is, once you get into highly worked hybrid lines themselves derived from worked hybrid lines you can't apply simple arithmetic to determine indica/sativa percentages. At best that's just a rough guess, and at worst, it can be highly misleading. Indica/sativa is used a lot as a rule of thumb, since in one number it gives a ballpark idea of what you might expect in terms of growth characteristics, flowering time, and flavor, but you have to take these things with a gigantic grain of salt, and if you're interested in specific traits, its better to discuss/address them specifically.
 

PJ Diaz

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I grow J1, which is a select pheno from a Jack Haze cross. It's finished is 8 weeks. Sticky sweet candy goodness.

I've also grown Jack Herer with is almost indistinguishable from J1, except that J1 is slightly better.

Here's the Jack I grew @ 50 days of 12/12:

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