209 Cali closet grower
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VTMi'kmaq
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mornin 600'ers! Long night last night taking care of my 280 pound just back from the stan drunk outa hi fucken mind older brothe last night(puking and i love you so much till 2am lol), got some heartwarming mail this am too! I intend on starting some new genetics soon! Of course this will require abetter camera to do the justice. Thewife bough me a mtn bike made of titanium lst week early x-mas gift, its called a voodoo, guess she' tryingto tell me something! ope eveyone is doing well today! More pics today of my new flowers
VTMi'kmaq
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I have a hypothetical question for the club. If one wanted to try to grow with 2 600hps, with digital ballasts of course, what kind of electrical footprint can one expect. Is this a more rural area grow style o can urban enviroments get away with this much power consumption? That being said of all the available enclosed hoods or cooltubes(lov em both) Which are truly the mot energy efficent? I'd love t here the clubs insighton this!
209 Cali closet grower
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Don't worry about the power.You're good, just pay on time $.My lights running 12/12 was $120
VTMi'kmaq
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Ran a mag ballast last grow, and they show a same time as last year energy usage on the bill..........mine was over dbl! lol, course last year there was no hid or teenagers lol! Gonna roll 12/12 first half of the day then another the other 12/12! My mind races with options! That and i truly love watching plants grow!
curious old fart
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a small portable heater draws more electricity (1500w) than two 600's.
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jigfresh
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If you want little power consumption you can use LED's. Otherwise a 600w ballast is going to draw 600w. Digital or magnetic. What exactly is your concern, money? Security?
You can run the 2 lights in two different tents, with exactly opposite lights on times.... so you are drawing a constant amount 24 hours a day. instead of a shit load for 12 hours and very little the next.
Happy saturday peeps. Hope it's nice wherever you are.
You can run the 2 lights in two different tents, with exactly opposite lights on times.... so you are drawing a constant amount 24 hours a day. instead of a shit load for 12 hours and very little the next.
Happy saturday peeps. Hope it's nice wherever you are.
duchieman
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Hey VTM, the question is a little confusing. Footprint to me means the spread of light but I think what you're talking about is power consumption. The part that counts as far as the pocketbook is concerned is wattage, or Kilowatt hours. A 600W device, be it a HID ballast or anything else rated for 600W will use 600W's of electricity per hour, or .6 Kwh X 12hrs X (your rate for that time of day) = cost/day in the case of the ballast. Electric heaters average 750-1500W but don't normally run a straight 12hrs.
The other thing you have to consider but has nothing to do with your electric bill is the load of the circuit. It's measured in amperes and I don't know about the EU but the average outlet circuit in North America (plugs, lights) is rated for a maximum load of 15amps and allows about 12 outlets per circuit (including lights and such). I have 2 600W digi ballasts and one is rated for just over 4 amps and the other just over 6. Add them up and this alone is nearing the true maximum of your circuits load, because you don't want to push that full 15, and you're not counting anything else you have plugged in on it. Remember, you still have inline and circulation fans to throw in there.
I run two tents with a 600 in each, with one 8" inline drawing both tents. I'm fortunate to be able to draw power from two separate circuits in my room, but if I couldn't I'd have to run power from somewhere else or scrap the idea. The other thing you could do if you're stuck with one circuit is alternate you're 12hr shifts, which you'll have to actually set for 11hrs 45mins so they don't overlap. (unless you have a digital timer you can set to the minute, then 11:55)
Hope that's what you meant and that it helped.
The other thing you have to consider but has nothing to do with your electric bill is the load of the circuit. It's measured in amperes and I don't know about the EU but the average outlet circuit in North America (plugs, lights) is rated for a maximum load of 15amps and allows about 12 outlets per circuit (including lights and such). I have 2 600W digi ballasts and one is rated for just over 4 amps and the other just over 6. Add them up and this alone is nearing the true maximum of your circuits load, because you don't want to push that full 15, and you're not counting anything else you have plugged in on it. Remember, you still have inline and circulation fans to throw in there.
I run two tents with a 600 in each, with one 8" inline drawing both tents. I'm fortunate to be able to draw power from two separate circuits in my room, but if I couldn't I'd have to run power from somewhere else or scrap the idea. The other thing you could do if you're stuck with one circuit is alternate you're 12hr shifts, which you'll have to actually set for 11hrs 45mins so they don't overlap. (unless you have a digital timer you can set to the minute, then 11:55)
Hope that's what you meant and that it helped.
DoobieBrother
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If you're in Vermont, they have the same rates for power as we do in Oregon, so running a 600 watt bulb 24 hrs a day (or two 600's for 12 hrs a day) will cost you about $25 a month during peak hours. (*of course, not including fans & such)
http://www.vermontelectric.coop/residential-service/residential-service-rates
You can save about 33% if you run them only during non-peak hours, but then you have that noticeable power usage spike for exactly 12 hours a day every day. Which isn't as much of an issue in some areas, just something to keep in mind when deciding how to schedule things.
http://www.vermontelectric.coop/residential-service/residential-service-rates
You can save about 33% if you run them only during non-peak hours, but then you have that noticeable power usage spike for exactly 12 hours a day every day. Which isn't as much of an issue in some areas, just something to keep in mind when deciding how to schedule things.
VTMi'kmaq
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I wish i coulda just framed my question like this lol, how can i find ballasts that are rated for below 5 amps lol. Thats what i was trying to get at, and was using the wrong terminology so iaplolgize for the confusion. My issue is the ballast i currently use is rated for 6 amps and id like to improve upon that, plus the idea of being able to adjust my lights output via ballast dimmer istruly sexy to me.
DoobieBrother
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And good to hear your brother made it out okay! 
VTMi'kmaq
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See my first mistake was taking a used hid sytem from a family friend who has now since passed(may he rest in peace), i did NO research on what i was given nor did i pay attenton to the specifics and info the ballast had in bold print right by the handle lol! I was like a kid wih his first schwinn or huffy bike when i got my first hid system. I need to research these things alittle better before i throw questions at the club without thoroughly thinking through what im trying to ask(yes im high)lmao. So i apologize now for the confusion my inital post may have created! thankyou for your insight guys!Hey VTM, the question is a little confusing. Footprint to me means the spread of light but I think what you're talking about is power consumption. The part that counts as far as the pocketbook is concerned is wattage, or Kilowatt hours. A 600W device, be it a HID ballast or anything else rated for 600W will use 600W's of electricity per hour, or .6 Kwh X 12hrs X (your rate for that time of day) = cost/day in the case of the ballast. Electric heaters average 750-1500W but don't normally run a straight 12hrs.
The other thing you have to consider but has nothing to do with your electric bill is the load of the circuit. It's measured in amperes and I don't know about the EU but the average outlet circuit in North America (plugs, lights) is rated for a maximum load of 15amps and allows about 12 outlets per circuit (including lights and such). I have 2 600W digi ballasts and one is rated for just over 4 amps and the other just over 6. Add them up and this alone is nearing the true maximum of your circuits load, because you don't want to push that full 15, and you're not counting anything else you have plugged in on it. Remember, you still have inline and circulation fans to throw in there.
I run two tents with a 600 in each, with one 8" inline drawing both tents. I'm fortunate to be able to draw power from two separate circuits in my room, but if I couldn't I'd have to run power from somewhere else or scrap the idea. The other thing you could do if you're stuck with one circuit is alternate you're 12hr shifts, which you'll have to actually set for 11hrs 45mins so they don't overlap. (unless you have a digital timer you can set to the minute, then 11:55)
Hope that's what you meant and that it helped.
VTMi'kmaq
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And good to hear your brother made it out okay!
Thankyou doobie, ya know i was jut having along discussion with my mother about why my brother went from highly religous (pre theater) to highly alcoholic(post theater), and explaing why coping skils and mechanisms are different for us kids than they mave have been for her and my father. I could never have the conversations i have with my parents, with my granpparents......now i see why that generation shakes there heads at us lmao!
duchieman
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My SunMax is 4.1 but I'm not sure it's available in your area. Is there a reason you're trying to gain that 2 amps? If it's to create more room on the circuit then ok but if it's to save electricity then that will have zero effect on that.
I don't know if I care for my dimmers. They're ok for young/new transplants for an adjustment period, maybe, but I've dimmed them when I'm working in there and then forgotten to turn them back up and just piss myself off. I guess that screws with the hydro company. lol
duchieman
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Ok, I'll accept that you're high and just so it's clear, High Pressure Sodium and Metal Halide are both HID (High Intensity Discharge).
Edit. Ok there's a
in there. Text can sound so rude sometimes.
DoobieBrother
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It's hard to talk about any of it with most anyone.
I can only really open up about it with the guys I served with, or others who've had their own time with it.
And I only saw one tour, much less these men & women going back multiple times.
And after I was patched up & received my medical discharge, I spent 7 years drinking & partying to mostly decompress, not just from Army life, but from the baggage combat bestows on a person.
I hope he copes better than I did.
My hats off to him and his brothers & sisters in arms.
I can only really open up about it with the guys I served with, or others who've had their own time with it.
And I only saw one tour, much less these men & women going back multiple times.
And after I was patched up & received my medical discharge, I spent 7 years drinking & partying to mostly decompress, not just from Army life, but from the baggage combat bestows on a person.
I hope he copes better than I did.
My hats off to him and his brothers & sisters in arms.
DoobieBrother
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I just had to share this with those who have never harvested a plant and then let it re-veg to eventually re-flower it:
*pic taken on October 30th:
**same plant 4 days later:
*pic taken on October 30th:
**same plant 4 days later:
curious old fart
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I've never seen one re-veg with so little leaf-tough little plant
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DoobieBrother
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I know!
I almost didn't bother trying, but I figured "What the heck? I've got a couple dozen empty plant pots I can use for the next crop, so no hurry, I'll just see if it makes it."
While it's a small plant (I vegged for only 3-weeks), it was real vigorous, and had really good & potent smoke.
I'm glad it's coming back, as I'd love a second round from it. Also planning on using it for some clones.
Thanks again for turning me on to it, cof!
I almost didn't bother trying, but I figured "What the heck? I've got a couple dozen empty plant pots I can use for the next crop, so no hurry, I'll just see if it makes it."
While it's a small plant (I vegged for only 3-weeks), it was real vigorous, and had really good & potent smoke.
I'm glad it's coming back, as I'd love a second round from it. Also planning on using it for some clones.
Thanks again for turning me on to it, cof!