Building a new computer; looking for Input!

Beefbisquit

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Here's the specs!

I'm really looking for input into known conflicts and that sort of thing. I'm not looking for an Intel v AMD debate, or Nvidia v ATI debate. Input on RAM and Mobo/CPU combinations are welcome.

I like Asus & Thermaltake, especially Mobo's and cases, I always have, probably always will as long as they keep performing for me.



P33-6310 :: Patriot Viper 3 Black Mamba PV332G186C0QK 32GB Memory Module Quad Kit - DDR3, 4x8GB, 1866MHz, XMP 1.3, RoHS Compliant

T925-1257 :: Thermaltake CL-O0028 TG2 Thermal Grease

T925-8048 :: Thermaltake CLW0216 Water 2.0 Pro CPU Liquid Cooler - 4-Pin, Multi-Socket, 1200 ~ 2000RPM, 81.32CFM, 27.36 dBA, 0.5A, 2x 120mm PWM Fans

A466-2419 :: ASUS VS247H-P 24" Class Widescreen 2ms LED Backlit Monitor - 1920 x 1080, 16:9, 50000000:1 Dynamic, 2ms, HDMI, DVI, VGA, Energy Star

A79-8350 :: AMD FD8350FRHKBOX FX-8350 Eight-Core 4GHz AM3+ Processor - AM3+, Eight-Core, 4GHz, 16MB, 125W, Unlocked

T925-8024 :: Thermaltake VN770M1W2N Overseer RX-I Full Tower Computer Case - ATX, 700W PSU, Full Tower, 3 x 5.25" Bays, 5 x 3.5" Bays, 8 x Expansion Slots, 2 x USB 3.0, 2x Blue LED Fans, Black

A455-3019 :: ASUS Sabertooth 990FX AMD AM3+ TUF Motherboard - ATX, Socket AM3+, AMD 990FX Chipset, 1866MHz-DDR3, SATA 6.0 Gb/s, RAID, 8-CH Audio, Gigabit LAN, SuperSpeed USB 3.0, SLI/CrossFireX Ready

O261-6380 :: OCZ VTX3-25SAT3-120G Vertex 3 Solid State Drive - 120GB, 2.5", SATA III

P450-7976 :: XFX Radeon HD 7970 FX797ATDFC Video Card - 3GB, DDR5, 1x Dual-link DVI-I, 2x mini DisplayPort, 1x HDMI, DirectX 11, CrossFire Ready, HD4K Support



So what do you guys think, do you see any problems with these components?
 

tyler.durden

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Wish I could help, BB, but I just don't know much about computers except the basics. I'm impressed with you putting together your own, though! I'm sure these smart fuckers will help you out...
 

Beefbisquit

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Beautiful cases, MP... I love the first one, but cost IS a factor, and I can get the overseer with a 700W PSU for the price as the case you posted. I really like the modular looking design of the Lvl 10, but the cost is a preventing factor.

Personally I like the Overseer more than the second post. Also, the Overseer has built-in docking bays for HDD's on the top of the case, so you don't need a cradle to swap drives quickly. It also takes 2.5" laptop drives too!
 

Dr Kynes

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Here's the specs!

I'm really looking for input into known conflicts and that sort of thing. I'm not looking for an Intel v AMD debate, or Nvidia v ATI debate. Input on RAM and Mobo/CPU combinations are welcome.

I like Asus & Thermaltake, especially Mobo's and cases, I always have, probably always will as long as they keep performing for me.



P33-6310 :: Patriot Viper 3 Black Mamba PV332G186C0QK 32GB Memory Module Quad Kit - DDR3, 4x8GB, 1866MHz, XMP 1.3, RoHS Compliant
T925-1257 :: Thermaltake CL-O0028 TG2 Thermal Grease
T925-8048 :: Thermaltake CLW0216 Water 2.0 Pro CPU Liquid Cooler - 4-Pin, Multi-Socket, 1200 ~ 2000RPM, 81.32CFM, 27.36 dBA, 0.5A, 2x 120mm PWM Fans
A466-2419 :: ASUS VS247H-P 24" Class Widescreen 2ms LED Backlit Monitor - 1920 x 1080, 16:9, 50000000:1 Dynamic, 2ms, HDMI, DVI, VGA, Energy Star
A79-8350 :: AMD FD8350FRHKBOX FX-8350 Eight-Core 4GHz AM3+ Processor - AM3+, Eight-Core, 4GHz, 16MB, 125W, Unlocked
T925-8024 :: Thermaltake VN770M1W2N Overseer RX-I Full Tower Computer Case - ATX, 700W PSU, Full Tower, 3 x 5.25" Bays, 5 x 3.5" Bays, 8 x Expansion Slots, 2 x USB 3.0, 2x Blue LED Fans, Black
A455-3019 :: ASUS Sabertooth 990FX AMD AM3+ TUF Motherboard - ATX, Socket AM3+, AMD 990FX Chipset, 1866MHz-DDR3, SATA 6.0 Gb/s, RAID, 8-CH Audio, Gigabit LAN, SuperSpeed USB 3.0, SLI/CrossFireX Ready
O261-6380 :: OCZ VTX3-25SAT3-120G Vertex 3 Solid State Drive - 120GB, 2.5", SATA III
P450-7976 :: XFX Radeon HD 7970 FX797ATDFC Video Card - 3GB, DDR5, 1x Dual-link DVI-I, 2x mini DisplayPort, 1x HDMI, DirectX 11, CrossFire Ready, HD4K Support



So what do you guys think, do you see any problems with these components?
asus generally makes cut rate products. i would be certain that asus monitor looks good myself before dropping cash on anything marked asus. a five bazzillion to 1 black ratio doesnt mean shit. theres no standard test for black ratios, so sellers can claim anything they like. usually LCD monitors (even the LED lit ones) dont deliver good blacks, and certainly not in the range claimed in adjacent pixels.

dont scrimp on your monitor, its the part your gonna be staring at for hours, and its the part you cant upgrade later by adding newer/better/more components.

asus motherboards have NEVER served me well. i use A-Bit and PNY motherboards these days. your results may vary.

a good quality monitor will last through several processor/motherboard/graphics adapter changes, so drop more coin for a better screen and youll be much happier. LG and HP both make some good ones.

the logical and memory components are much less finicky than they were in the 90's, hardware conflicts are pretty much a thing of the past. you should have no problems there

you should also ensure that your power supply can deliver at least 50% more power than your devices consume, to ensure that you wont have power dropoffs under a load.

i rock a 1000 watt power supply after i experienced shaky operation with a 500 watt. 700 watts might be a little low for the parts your rocking here. step up to a 1000 watter and youll be happier.
 

Beefbisquit

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asus generally makes cut rate products. i would be certain that asus monitor looks good myself before dropping cash on anything marked asus. a five bazzillion to 1 black ratio doesnt mean shit. theres no standard test for black ratios, so sellers can claim anything they like. usually LCD monitors (even the LED lit ones) dont deliver good blacks, and certainly not in the range claimed in adjacent pixels.

dont scrimp on your monitor, its the part your gonna be staring at for hours, and its the part you cant upgrade later by adding newer/better/more components.

asus motherboards have NEVER served me well. i use A-Bit and PNY motherboards these days. your results may vary.

a good quality monitor will last through several processor/motherboard/graphics adapter changes, so drop more coin for a better screen and youll be much happier. LG and HP both make some good ones.

the logical and memory components are much less finicky than they were in the 90's, hardware conflicts are pretty much a thing of the past. you should have no problems there

you should also ensure that your power supply can deliver at least 50% more power than your devices consume, to ensure that you wont have power dropoffs under a load.

i rock a 1000 watt power supply after i experienced shaky operation with a 500 watt. 700 watts might be a little low for the parts your rocking here. step up to a 1000 watter and youll be happier.
I didn't know that about the black ratios, thanks for the info man! As for Asus products, I've been building PC's since 1996 and I've always had nothing but success with Asus parts. lol

I've used Gigabyte, MSI, A-bit, Asus, Intel, etc., etc., and my favorite still remains Asus, lol. I must say I do also really like Gigabyte and MSI mobo's as well, but I'm diggin on this Asus one.

The 7970 is recommended to have 500W PSU, and the SSD's I'm using take less power than regular drives due to no moving parts. Outervision PSU calculator recommends a 517W PSU, and that's Overclocked to 4.8ghz, with 3 extra USB devices that I don't own yet. I really don't think extra PSU power is necessary, but thanks for the input!

EDIT: Even with x2 7970's in Crossfire, overclocked it says the minimum PSU is 616W, and recommends a 666W (lol), so I've got wattage to spare! :D

I'm like 90% sure I'm going to go Crossfire within 2 months, something soothing about having 6Gb of video memory... :D
 

Dr Kynes

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a 1000 watt power supply only costs a few buck more than a 700, and it wont cook off under a load. power to spare always saves money down the line in heat, burnt system components and that ozone smell just before a couple coils burn out.

on monitors, never believe whats on the sales data sheet. its all lies. try and get the data from consumer reports on adjacent pixel black levels, and grey to grey colour response times. thats where the rubber hits the road, and it puts your porn viewing into the Ultra HD range for more satisfying jerking.
 

Beefbisquit

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a 1000 watt power supply only costs a few buck more than a 700, and it wont cook off under a load. power to spare always saves money down the line in heat, burnt system components and that ozone smell just before a couple coils burn out.

on monitors, never believe whats on the sales data sheet. its all lies. try and get the data from consumer reports on adjacent pixel black levels, and grey to grey colour response times. thats where the rubber hits the road, and it puts your porn viewing into the Ultra HD range for more satisfying jerking.

So your comment has made me at least re-evaluate my options, and I have changed my case and PSU option. I've actually got a less expensive combo too, and it's modular now!

I've decided to go with a Cooler master CM690 II, it's got amazing reviews - and comes with 120mm, and 140mm fans installed. The cable management features are supposed to be top notch as well. I also went with a Thermaltake 750W PSU, it will be nice having the extra 50W! So, I should really say 'thanks' for making me re-evaluate my decision! ;)
 

cues

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Have you thought about going over to a projector?
Or 3D?
Can't really recommend 3d though. It was fun for a day. Haven't used it since.
 

sel3ctive

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Before I build anyone a computer I generally give them a flow chart of what they think they are going to be doing vs what they actually do with the computer. 9/10 people buy useless parts that don't offer the performance for the cost. Yea over clocking is nice for the numbers but again wtf do you need a computer to do at that point....
 

Dr Kynes

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Have you thought about going over to a projector?
Or 3D?
Can't really recommend 3d though. It was fun for a day. Haven't used it since.
projectors suck for games and day to day interwebbing.

if he planned on turning his porn collection into a powerpoint program to share the pattern and projections in his tastes/fetishes or highlight trending new deviant impulses (schisse and furry hentai are breaking previous records with this quarter's maladjusted gross fapping report!) to share with a conference room full of colleagues (or possibly his abnormal psych class) then projectors would rock your socks off.

his post shows his interest in black levels, and grey to grey response time (PORN!) so he's looking for gaming performance and possibly good blacks and fast colour response for movies, or he would not be sweatin the asus monitor or hawt graphichs adapters that let him que up 45 minutes of hardcore bestiality in his video buffer.


projectors only look hal;fway decent if your source material is from film, like 60's and 70's stag films (Party At Romy and Mikes is a classic, its the one starring Sylvester Stalone, with surprisingly rough B&D and light S&M...)but anything shot on video or digitally will lokk like microwaved garbage on a projector.
 

Beefbisquit

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Before I build anyone a computer I generally give them a flow chart of what they think they are going to be doing vs what they actually do with the computer. 9/10 people buy useless parts that don't offer the performance for the cost. Yea over clocking is nice for the numbers but again wtf do you need a computer to do at that point....
I do Ultra graphics gaming...

I know the exponential performance curve isn't geared for maximum value, it's the same as processors; the best is x2 as much as the 2nd best usually... it's strange. 10% performance for 100% more money.. lol I'm all too aware!

I've had a Voodoo card, Monster3D II, Ge Force II, Ge Force III TI, Ge Force 4, ATI 9700, Ge Force GTX 7900, GeForce 8800 GTS, ATI 4650 Mobile, and now; I'm going with the 7970 :)

The Performance cusp is a tough pill to swallow for the average user.

It should be noted I'm also an A+ certified tech, a certified computer electronics technician, MCSA, MCP, CCNA.... I gave up being a technology consultant for a premier support boutique to sell cars! I know that sound strange, but I make WAAAAAAAAAAAY more money selling cars than I could ever dream of doing consulting (unless I owned my own firm).

That being said, I know what I'm doing, and I've done the cost/benefit analysis, but thanks for the insight!
 

RobotBoy

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That all looks wicked :) The only thing I would mention is Thermaltake are not very good. They are very flimsy and cheap feeling. Take a visit to www.overclock.net I have been a member for years :)
 

Beefbisquit

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Teach me your ways of selling cars oh wise one. no seriously send me a pm.
I actually can't PM... : /

I sent a friend a msg about another site and got banned from PMing people on RIU... : /



About selling cars; Follow this process!

Greeting (60 seconds)

Interview and fact finding questions (15 mins)

Demonstration of vehicle (However long it takes, make sure you're excited and have some stuff to say about your vehicles, KNOW YOUR INVENTORY!! Don't throw them the keys and wave goodbye, drive the car for them, point out things like the quietness and handling, you can take in more as a passenger. Once you've demonstrated the vehicle for them, then let them drive!)

Closing (Ask them to buy the car, also I use what's called 'trial closes', e.g. "Are we on the same page", "Am I close to getting a sale", etc.,..

Negotiation (Never make the first offer, and never accept the first offer)

Delivery (Go over the manual, highlight important info in the manual; I use post-its! Go over warranty, features of the car, e.g. Bluetooth setup, vehicle personalization)

Follow Up (Check up on customers, 1 week, 1 month, 3 months, 6 months, etc., make sure they're happy, ask for referrals; offer referral bonuses!)


There are transition tricks too, if you talk like a salesman you're going to get conditioned responses. Don't say things like "Can I help you with anything?", you'll end up hearing;

"No thanks, I'm just looking..."


Think up some lines to use to combat conditioned responses, when someone says "No thanks, I'm just looking.." say something like, "Are you looking for yourself or someone else?" See how there's only two answers to that question? Open ended quesitons have their place, like during the interview, but stay away from them upon first meeting someone. Control, control, control....


Oh, and stay off of trade value until the customer has picked out a vehicle, don't give people numbers to go shop around with, find them the vehicle they want, THEN start working numbers... if you can get people on payments, and off of price, you're golden....

I know a lot of this info is jumbled, but bear with me.... lol

You have two ears, two eyes, and one mouth, and you should use them in those proportions. 80% listening and looking, 20% talking.

Summarize what the customer is telling you! For example, when a customer goes on about his 100 mile commute everyday and about going to soccer practice, say something like;

"Ok Mr. XYZ, so what it sounds like you're telling me is that you need lots of room, and something great on fuel, is that correct?"

On that note as well, if a customer asks you for a Blue car with cruise control, show them a Blue car with cruise control and shut up about it! don't go on about the 4x4 features, or fog lamps, or rain sensing windshield. The more you talk the more you can talk yourself out of a sale!
 

Beefbisquit

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LOL - kind of off topic... hehehehe.

I also like the "If I could, would ya?" approach...

"If I could get winter tires included in the price, would you buy it right now?"

If the answer is yes, get a deposit and hit up your sales manager!
 

ThegrowerMOJO

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Most of the newer games are cpu intensive so overclocking does help nowadays^ The 7970 is a beast of a card ati had to step up nvidia was leaving them behind. I run the I7 2600k and would highly recommend it and also really like my msi board just have to watch reviews as mostly they are paid for.get on the forums like your doing see what the real world has to say.
 
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