Any lightworkers?

[ganja man23]

Pretty sure that's not was Heisenberg was implying.
What I believe he was stating( and Heis can correct me if I'm wrong) is that we have sufficient evidence to understand how the pyramids were made without alien intervention.

If it wasn't us (no evidence it was us) then it had to be someone "alien" to us. Anyways evidence is irrelevant to those who obtain the information. It's like one never ending orgy of love, trust, information and understanding. the pyramids,stone henge, Easter island,etc were all created in a higher density in order to resonate in many parallel realities in our density. The Giza complex is a navigation tool (aligned perectly with the north east west south directions) and it's placement in the energy grid was at one point something similar to a fueling station for the extraterrestrials who inhabited the earth.

Our planet was inhabited millions of years before we had been created here.

 

[cannabineer]

If it wasn't us (no evidence it was us) then it had to be someone "alien" to us. Anyways evidence is irrelevant the pyramids,stone henge, Easter island,etc were all created in a higher dimension and they resonate in many parallel realities in our density.

There is some very good evidence that it was our doing, including but mot limited to the fact that we are and have been here at the time, and all the works were in range of human ability and technology. You mentioned something incorrect (as fact) on another thread, something about stones being shaped to a higher precision than we can achieve. If you've ever seen a ten-ton slab of granite polished optically smooth as an instrument support (and then air-floated), you'd never countenance that claim again. But as there is not good evidence for alien visitation, that is the idea that would need some help. "No evidence it was us", incorrect as it is, would not equate to "evidence it was not us". My opinion. cn

 

[Zaehet Strife]

Well said Neer.

 

[ganja man23]

Well said Neer.

I didnt hear your question but the answer is aliens.

 

[Zaehet Strife]

^Exactly my friend!

 

[ganja man23]

^Exactly my friend!

We're not really just friends were more like family

 

[cannabineer]

I didnt hear your question but the answer is aliens.

Got it, I think. I'll go away now. cn

 

[dashcues]

If it wasn't us (no evidence it was us) then it had to be someone "alien" to us. Anyways evidence is irrelevant to those who obtain the information. It's like one never ending orgy of love, trust, information and understanding. the pyramids,stone henge, Easter island,etc were all created in a higher density in order to resonate in many parallel realities in our density. The Giza complex is a navigation tool (aligned perectly with the north east west south directions) and it's placement in the energy grid was at one point something similar to a fueling station for the extraterrestrials who inhabited the earth.

Our planet was inhabited millions of years before we had been created here.

But there is evidence that it was us.What there isn't,is evidence that it was ancient aliens.While they are beautiful and admirable in their mass,they have errors that can be attributed to early man.I'm sure aliens coming from outside our solar system could (and would) have done a much better job.For anyone that has seen the pyramids up close and personal,I'm sure they would agree that the pyramids are not as perfectly built as Ancient Aliens would have you believe.
While most of my studies involve biblical research and biblical archaeology,I have done a fair amount of studying on 3rd dynasty Egypt
edited...Sorry...hope that doesn't sound brash.Enjoying the discussion,and high

 

[ganja man23]

But there is evidence that it was us.What there isn't,is evidence that it was ancient aliens.While they are beautiful and admirable in their mass,they have errors that can be attributed to early man.I'm sure aliens coming from outside our solar system could (and would) have done a much better job.For anyone that has seen the pyramids up close and personal,I'm sure they would agree that the pyramids are not as perfectly built as Ancient Aliens would have you believe.
While most of my studies involve biblical research and biblical archaeology,I have done a fair amount of studying on 3rd dynasty Egypt
edited...Sorry...hope that doesn't sound brash.Enjoying the discussion,and high

I say aliens for the sake of a reasonable assumption so that all can relate to the concept as opposed to how it actually happened which is a creation based upon a higher dimension. You are correct however it wasnt anyone alien to us.. It was not exactly aliens but rather human beings who were initially created in higher densities then we occupy now. Iit was at the time of Atlantans that the energy grid structures were created and implemented and this is part of our lost history. We were much more spiritually conscious at the time of creating those structures and we were not in the third density vibration like we are now, we existed as a much higher vibrating one since we were so in tune with our spirituality.

I hoped to invoke thoughts and take the credit away from the Egyptians. They DID NOT create the pyramids, they never said they did either.

 

[Heisenberg]

I find it rather naive for folks to think we are the only intelligent lifeforms in the entire universe.

I think it is highly unlikely that we are the only life in the universe as well.

 

[Zaehet Strife]

I hoped to invoke thoughts and take the credit away from the Egyptians. They DID NOT create the pyramids, they never said they did either.

You cannot convince a believer of anything, for their beliefs are not based on evidence, they are based on a deep seated psychological need to believe.

 

[Chief Walkin Eagle]

You misunderstood the question. You could google anything and learn the very basics of the subject. What have you gained from the spiritual side of the arguments?

I have learned to be more structured and calm. I have learned that the atheists here have the same mindset as angry bible thumpers as they try to force their ideas onto others because they are convinced its the correct path to follow. Atheists have little bit more subtle approach though. With you I have learned a lot though, Im not just mentioning these as personal attacks so that I can get a reaction. You have been more open about your beliefs, imo, and that has given me more to work with. You've shown me that there is conflict at the base of your beliefs that you are in complete denial of, and in our last discussion you lashed out at me for pointing it out. Im going to guess that most of the active skeptics on here have similar insecurities.

I think you should try to figure yourselves out before you try and tell someone of a different mindset how things work. Because really, who have you 'helped' here besides an impressionable southern boy? Sure you have the polite theists that are not phased by the opposing arguments, but they still stand firm in their beliefs. Most of crazies on here would like to discuss with like minded people rather than sway the judgement of others. It took me a while to figure that out but at first I got sucked into the never ending game you guys play for self benefit.

Knowing yourself is far beyond what a electron microscope or hadron collider can teach you.

*Cough cough*...

 

[dashcues]

I say aliens for the sake of a reasonable assumption so that all can relate to the concept as opposed to how it actually happened which is a creation based upon a higher dimension. You are correct however it wasnt anyone alien to us.. It was not exactly aliens but rather human beings who were initially created in higher densities then we occupy now. Iit was at the time of Atlantans that the energy grid structures were created and implemented and this is part of our lost history. We were much more spiritually conscious at the time of creating those structures and we were not in the third density vibration like we are now, we existed as a much higher vibrating one since we were so in tune with our spirituality.

I hoped to invoke thoughts and take the credit away from the Egyptians. They DID NOT create the pyramids, they never said they did either.

Atlantans as in Atlantis?

Your thoughts are no problem,it's just that your taking away credit where credit is due.There were some very capable humans at the time,no doubt,but still very much human.
And yes,they gave us evidence of their creation.As can be seen in their refinement of construction:

Early 3rd dynasty(Djoser's step pyramid)

early 4th dynasty( bent pyramid)

later 4th dynasty(red pyramid)

and finally Khufu's great pyramid 4th dynasty

As you can see It was a process.If your interested,I would suggest looking at some earlier 3rd dynasty pyramids.Such as their shapes,and construction techniques.Some are quite a stretch from what we now consider "The Pyramids".

 

[MellowFarmer]

Okay. Since you invoke vibration, I'll ask my standard request of clarification. Frequency, amplitude, spectral distribution? Detector for this vibrational spectrum? "Vibration" is one of those terms that have meaning in physics, and so is "energy". I am not happy when I see the terms used by the magical community, because I see it as an effort to steal some of the legitimacy these terms have acquired through the elaboration of physics.

Now, in the defense of the magicals, describing the intersection of spirit and the mundane might be very hard, like trying to definitively explain "blue" to a blind person. But in their prosecution, I've seen entirely too much repurposing of physical terms into physically unsupportable situations, like the above "vibrations". Unless, of course, someone can break the great vast eternal unbroken silence and pipe up with the engineering end of it ... detector and spectrum. cn

Postscript: why magicals? Because as long as humans have had a continuous history, we have had a word for the human participation in the action of spirit upon matter, and it is magic. cn

I think it all goes down to matter can neither be created nor destroyed the law of conservation as well as the law of attraction but then cn I usually turn to you on such matters. I just remember in school F=mv? force equals mass times velocity meaning to me that energy constantly flows and shapes itself and if it is doing it using vibration which I think in terms of how I do sound waves, light waves..

Everything in the universe is energy. Nothing is actually solid. Instead objects are made up of microscopic particles vibrating at such a fast rate that they appear solid. Our limited sense of sight doesn’t let us see the movement, or vibration, of the particles. Every object, including human organs, have a natural healthy vibratory rate referred to as "resonance". If a part of the body begins to vibrate out of resonance or harmony, it creates what we term dis-ease. Jonathan Goldman, author of Healing Sounds: The Power of Harmonics, says: "If parts of the body become imbalanced, they may be healed through projecting the proper and correct frequencies back into the body." Vibrational Medicine looks at the energy anatomy within and around the physical body. Imbalances and disharmonies are treated using frequencies from flower and gem essences, sound, therapeutic grade essential oils, radionics, homeopathics, acupuncture, color, hands-on healing, and crystals. Each individual sound, color, crystal, or flower essence has a specific quality that is beneficial for a particular human organ, system, or emotion.

http://www.spiritofnature.org/vibrationart.htm[/URL]

See if you feel this

http://youtu.be/p7yKiJIOSGc

 

[MellowFarmer]

But there is evidence that it was us.What there isn't,is evidence that it was ancient aliens.While they are beautiful and admirable in their mass,they have errors that can be attributed to early man.I'm sure aliens coming from outside our solar system could (and would) have done a much better job.For anyone that has seen the pyramids up close and personal,I'm sure they would agree that the pyramids are not as perfectly built as Ancient Aliens would have you believe.
While most of my studies involve biblical research and biblical archaeology,I have done a fair amount of studying on 3rd dynasty Egypt
edited...Sorry...hope that doesn't sound brash.Enjoying the discussion,and high

The only thing I find brash is I'm sure aliens coming from outside our solar system could (and would) have done a much better job. ​So you can believe in aliens just long enough to decide that they would have done a better job?

 

[dashcues]

The only thing I find brash is I'm sure aliens coming from outside our solar system could (and would) have done a much better job. ​So you can believe in aliens just long enough to decide that they would have done a better job?

Yeah...don't you?I can believe in aliens without feeling the need to acquaint them with the pyramids.
If aliens traveled all the way to get here,I'm sure they could do better than this:

from the 3rd dynasty(layer pyramid)

And they left it unfinished.
So yes,I maintain that IF ancient aliens (using technology we can't even begin to touch)traveled light years away from their own home,and IF they would in fact come to earth,and IF they saw fit to build primitive structures here on earth,then yes I believe they could have done a better job.Sorry if you found that brash.

 

[cannabineer]

I think it all goes down to matter can neither be created nor destroyed the law of conservation as well as the law of attraction but then cn I usually turn to you on such matters. I just remember in school F=mv? force equals mass times velocity meaning to me that energy constantly flows and shapes itself and if it is doing it using vibration which I think in terms of how I do sound waves, light waves..

Everything in the universe is energy. Nothing is actually solid. Instead objects are made up of microscopic particles vibrating at such a fast rate that they appear solid. Our limited sense of sight doesn’t let us see the movement, or vibration, of the particles. Every object, including human organs, have a natural healthy vibratory rate referred to as "resonance". If a part of the body begins to vibrate out of resonance or harmony, it creates what we term dis-ease. Jonathan Goldman, author of Healing Sounds: The Power of Harmonics, says: "If parts of the body become imbalanced, they may be healed through projecting the proper and correct frequencies back into the body." Vibrational Medicine looks at the energy anatomy within and around the physical body. Imbalances and disharmonies are treated using frequencies from flower and gem essences, sound, therapeutic grade essential oils, radionics, homeopathics, acupuncture, color, hands-on healing, and crystals. Each individual sound, color, crystal, or flower essence has a specific quality that is beneficial for a particular human organ, system, or emotion.

http://www.spiritofnature.org/vibrationart.htm[/URL]

See if you feel this

http://youtu.be/p7yKiJIOSGc

Mellow, I understand that matter is equivalent to energy, but calling it energy without qualifiers is dangerously misleading imo. For one thing, they are not freely interconvertible. The science of the limitations on that interconversion is chemistry, a field of study near&dear to me.

Take the bit from the scrunchy-eye text you provided, about the "vibrations" of matter providing the appearance of solidity. The solidity of matter is the consequence of electrons slotting into spatially-defined energy levels we call orbitals. They have definible energies, but to describe orbitals as vibrations does a violence to a more subtle concept that can be startlingly beautiful if approached without preconception or agenda. (My opinion.)
The issue I have with describing phenomena in terms of energy and vibration is that it is often simplistic beyond uselessness and into outright incorrectness. And yet it is so attractive to do so ... because it panders to the human way of looking at things. It's anthropomorphic in a subtle way that needs to be first understood ... and subsequently avoided with care ... in the exploration and construction of a conceptual model for the material universe.
The text used a bad analogy about vibrations as a defense of healing energy. That doesn't prove that such energy does not exist/cannot be harnessed, of course. But it does mean that the writer was talking out of an orifice not designed for speech. And sadly, there is an awful lot of such not-physics that becomes harnessed to pull the wagon of new-age promoters of ... magic. cn

 

[tyler.durden]

I say aliens for the sake of a reasonable assumption so that all can relate to the concept as opposed to how it actually happened which is a creation based upon a higher dimension. You are correct however it wasnt anyone alien to us.. It was not exactly aliens but rather human beings who were initially created in higher densities then we occupy now. Iit was at the time of Atlantans that the energy grid structures were created and implemented and this is part of our lost history. We were much more spiritually conscious at the time of creating those structures and we were not in the third density vibration like we are now, we existed as a much higher vibrating one since we were so in tune with our spirituality.

I hoped to invoke thoughts and take the credit away from the Egyptians. They DID NOT create the pyramids, they never said they did either.

Wow. It seems almost everything you state is pulled from your ass. How much more could possibly be in there?

 

[Padawanbater2]

I'm not sure some of you guys actually understand how big space is.. Most people don't. The closest star system to us is 4.366 light years away, meaning, it would take light (the fastest known object in the entire universe) 4.3 years to reach Earth. Let's break that down...

Going the speed of light: 186,000 miles/second (Earth is 24,901 miles in circumference at the equator), it takes 8.3 minutes to reach Earth from the Sun. Which means, the light you see in the daytime is 8.3 minutes old before you ever see it. Consider that for a moment..

Now consider an object 284,578 x's the distance the Earth is to the Sun. Now multiply 8.3 x's 284,578, the amount of time, going the speed of light, it would take to reach the system from Earth...

4.3 years going the speed of light. We can't break 3% that at current technology.

But, perhaps an intelligent species has evolved and been around for a billion years.. maybe they can go 30% the speed of light (conservative), it would still take over 15 years to reach Earth if they lived in the closest star system.

Why would an alien species travel that distance to come to Earth to build pyramids...? Why wouldn't they leave anything definitive behind? Why wouldn't they have visited since? Why wouldn't some of them have stayed?

 

[tyler.durden]

^^ I still love this scale Z posted last year. Deep distance, time, and size still blows my mind:

[video]http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/6Mh09h/htwins.net/scale/[/video]