Any lightworkers?

[Mister Sister]

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Interesting discussion.

 

[tyler.durden]

First you must show that global alignment is real, or any of the other outrageous claims made about the pyramids. The burden of proof falls to those claiming aliens. We can see the evolution of pyramid design, including the bent pyramid whose construction was changed half way up when they realized the base would not hold the weight.

You have accepted the claims of alien pyramid builders without doing any research. You have not bothered to separate fact from rumor.



If you want to be taken seriously, you can not simply label those who disagree as building walls and pushing you back.. If this is your goal, use the PM system for your discussion instead of making it public. In these forums your views will be challenged. You can not expect others to listen to you and at the same time demand not to listen to others.

Yes, Heis, but what about the appeal to authority to a fount of knowledge such as Madonna? Since she was invoked, he may be onto something...

 

[cannabineer]

the deception is absolutely correct and i promise you that you have been deceived on the alien subject. as far as spirituality, that's your choice.

i suppose you still believe the pyramids were built by ancient egyptians using nothing but sticks and stones? most engineers today will tell you that we cannot build such a structure even today with all our technology (cranes,power tools,etc).

Are you sure of this? I would think that most engineers would agree with Egyptologists, who consider the pyramids to have been built by human effort using time-appropriate technology.

Ordinarily I dislike Youtube vids, especially when they're used to support a controversial claim. However there are lovely vids of one unassisted man making, moving and stacking ten-ton blocks with simple machines, great patience and no small amount of cleverness. His methods suffice for building a pyramid with a few thousand similarly smart laborers.

in fact we have built one and it was 1/40 the size of the giza pyramid and took us ages seeing as how they supposedly built the pyramids in 20 years. what's even more amusing is the fact that we are taught that these people built the pyramids when to this day there is absolutely no evidence the egyptians build them. not a single hieroglyph and not a single body (supposedly of kings or queens) was found within any of the pyramids.

this has been shown to be untrue. Khufu's contains original hieroglyphs.

the mathematical properties they hold including the fact that it is located in the EXACT CENTRE of all the land mass on the planet is an indication to me that the designers knew exactly what they were doing. they incorporated many fundamental mathematical properties through it's dimensions (such as pi and the golden ratio) which were not discovered until thousands of years later.

Do the land masses even have an exact center? Who did this determination?

if you were an egyptian and you build all that shit why the hell would you at least not put your name or something on it? and explain the fact that different civilizations build these different structures that align to form a power grid all over the planet. these were all recorded at a time in which NO FLYING MACHINES EXISTED. i


prove to me how the ancient egyptians found the exact centre of the land mass and formed lines with other structures built by different civilizations when they were unable to leave the ground. prove to me how they guessed pi right to 5 decimal places when they had no record of discovering the pi constant.

Please show me where they did this. I would prefer a "quality" citation to something from, oh say, Graham Hancock, whose sloppiness of scholarship has been a topic on these boards before.

in addition to this i would hope that the thousands of ufo sightings (including sightings from high ranking government officials and thousands of civilians at the same time) would be enough of a wake up call.

I am unaware of even a single confirmed sighting of an extraterrestrial craft or bit of tech. The thousands of "unconfirmed" I must in the meantime place in the "anecdotal accounts" box, and anecdote is no way to do science.

I recognize that the scientific method and mindset is perhaps not applicable to questions of pure spirit.
However, you've begun to discuss material phenomena here - pyramids, sightings. The scientific method is à propos to the claimed phenomenology, as that is the mundane/ sensory portion of the claimed intersection between spirit-action and the "real world" of objects, events, relations and conditions. And the phenomenology, in order to be acceptable, does need to be subordinated to a correct and appropriate use of reason. (Reason can be abused; thus my conditional statement.)

And the application of reason to phenomena follows two maxims. One is familiar as Occam's Razor: given two models that account for the observed, the simpler one is the one to choose. The other is the condition of rigor, immortalized by T. H. Huxley's aphorism: "The tragedy of science - a beautiful theory slain by an ugly fact."
Now the first one is a rule of thumb (which i have never seen violated, however), but the second is a hard condition. A theory must account for all available fact. Should a fact contradict, the theory must go. (The alternative is to find that the fact was incorrect. this happens, but less frequently.) If a fact doesn't fit into a theory (and the fact has withstood extensive and hostile review) the theory is in need of being revised or discarded.

About hostile review: this is very important to doing good science or working within the rational edifice. The common metaphor to consider is "playing the Devil's advocate". This, of course, means nothing diabolical but rather a very practical engineer's sort of attitude. A device isn't proven until it's been proofed: subjected to a strain exceeding nominal max to make sure it's good. ideas can (and should, imo) be proofed the same way. if they cannot stand up to an opposed but fair application of reason, they do not merit the privilege of being called theory.

It is in this spirit, and nothing personal or genuinely hostile, that i ask you to either provide solid backup for what you claim to be fact ... or be willing to believe that you've been insufficiently critical of your source materials. The hieroglyphs thing is plainly not true. i don't believe the center-of-land or pi claims unless you can show them to me in the peer-reviewed literature. There are many fringe practitioners out there, with Graham Hancock and Terence McKenna two of the more famous ones, whose development of ideas is somewhere between sloppy and fraudulent. Combine this with the both intuitive and well-documented tendency of people having a strong drive to believe ... and you have a bad mix imo.

So I will be as careful as I can be. I will make no claim attacking the paranormal unless I can provide my reasoning and am willing to subject it to hostile review by my peers. The other side of that coin is that I will not accept a claim with material/mundane content unless it can be authenticated using the rules of the mundane world.
While science and reason might not be the right tools to fully describe spirit-action, they are the right tools to inspect any and all material phenomena ascribed to such action. The standard to apply is this: a proposed phenomenon must not contradict what we already know about the world. My opinion. cn

 

[Chief Walkin Eagle]

So many afraid of the Light!

 

[Chief Walkin Eagle]

I am not here to offend anyone, i am here to help others think, to help others open their minds to different concepts and ideas. I am here to think, to learn, to gain insight. I am here to try help people question their ideas, to really put thought behind them. To ask ourselves why we have the ideas we do, where did we get them from?

To help people understand that our ideas come from our culture, our environment, and the way we were raised. If we change any one of those, the way we would have experienced life, and the ideas that were introduced to us would have been completely different.

There are examples of this all over the world, based on the differences we have within each culture we grew up in.

To not doubt, is to set our reason aside, and that's as good as taking our brains out of our head and setting it on the table. The true freedom is the recognition that whatever this is (existence, life, reality) could quite literally be ANYTHING.

You have no more basis or credibility saying that we have a soul, than i do saying we don't. You have no more basis or credibility saying that your idea about reality and the afterlife are true, compared to the infinite possibility of what this reality and afterlife may be.

This could be a dream, it could be a computer simulation, it COULD be anything! The possibilities are only limited to our imaginations. When we take an idea and claim certainty to it, that puts a limit on our imaginations, and deters us from trying to figure out more about "reality", the way the universe works, as well as deterring us from contemplating others ideas.

Simply stated, you COULD be wrong, or you could be right... so could i, so could every thinking creature in the universe. That to claim certainty of an idea, that cannot be certain, is certainly absurd. This reality has just as much of a possibility of being a dream or a simulation as it does being whatever it is that you think it is.

But, the human animal doesn't want to think that there exists the possibility of their ideas being wrong... because it fills them with fear.

You dont help anyone learn though, just those that still have similar views. Just like we only help other that have similar spiritual views. You HAVE to know that by now. So obviously those are not your intentions. Can you tell me something you learned from the other side of the arguments that has nothing to do with your views? Im not talking about answers like "I've learned that people will obliviously lie to themselves".

 

[Zaehet Strife]

Can you tell me something you learned from the other side of the arguments that has nothing to do with your views?

I did some extensive research and learned about lightworkers and what they are depicted as, and i came across this useful link to provide me with the basis of the idea.

Neat idea by the way, very romantic. But as you can clearly see it is written so most people can empathize, it reminds me of an extremely long horoscope lol.

http://www.spiritualitysolutions.com/lightworkers

What have you learned?

 

[eye exaggerate]

...ok, guys, you're arguing the surface of the matter. Look deeper into the idea of 'lightworkers'. Websites with angels in the background won't help. Consciousness is a seed. If a person retains their seed, they could potentially work with that 'light', or consciousness. Don't believe? No biggie. Try it.

 

[ganja man23]

...ok, guys, you're arguing the surface of the matter. Look deeper into the idea of 'lightworkers'. Websites with angels in the background won't help. Consciousness is a seed. If a person retains their seed, they could potentially work with that 'light', or consciousness. Don't believe? No biggie. Try it.

that's an excellent analogy with the seed, that concept is more or less how consciousness can be viewed. let me add to this. this enlightenment most seek doesn't come from research or even what your belief is. if we follow our hearts and pursue whatever it is that gives us joy we cannot lose from this experience (or any for that matter) no matter what the outcome. we will notice the differences we can make in life simply with a change in perspective. when we eat healthy and meditate regularly is when we are most prone to feeling the change that is occurring on our beautiful planet. the most beautiful energy i have ever felt in my life was what i call the 'one love', which was during my meditation. i felt that not only is earth conscious similar to us (and different) in many ways, but we all share our consciousness from one source. this is what you can truly call 'god' because within it existed the dimensions of infinity, containing every single possible outcome for anything imaginable.

i realize we all are not feeling this increase in energy but i speculate it's anywhere from physical reasons such as diet or even to simply choosing another path on a higher level. we all progress at our own level and there's no right or wrong time; simply put we progress when we are ready. we can't force others upon certain beliefs and leading by force and oppression is unnecessary and simply does not work. the best way to lead is by example. one love.

i should mention it's pretty darn sweet to get high again. took a little smoke break. they don't call it 'high' for nothing.

 

[Chief Walkin Eagle]

I did some extensive research and learned about lightworkers and what they are depicted as, and i came across this useful link to provide me with the basis of the idea.

Neat idea by the way, very romantic. But as you can clearly see it is written so most people can empathize, it reminds me of an extremely long horoscope lol.

http://www.spiritualitysolutions.com/lightworkers

What have you learned?

You misunderstood the question. You could google anything and learn the very basics of the subject. What have you gained from the spiritual side of the arguments?

I have learned to be more structured and calm. I have learned that the atheists here have the same mindset as angry bible thumpers as they try to force their ideas onto others because they are convinced its the correct path to follow. Atheists have little bit more subtle approach though. With you I have learned a lot though, Im not just mentioning these as personal attacks so that I can get a reaction. You have been more open about your beliefs, imo, and that has given me more to work with. You've shown me that there is conflict at the base of your beliefs that you are in complete denial of, and in our last discussion you lashed out at me for pointing it out. Im going to guess that most of the active skeptics on here have similar insecurities.

I think you should try to figure yourselves out before you try and tell someone of a different mindset how things work. Because really, who have you 'helped' here besides an impressionable southern boy? Sure you have the polite theists that are not phased by the opposing arguments, but they still stand firm in their beliefs. Most of crazies on here would like to discuss with like minded people rather than sway the judgement of others. It took me a while to figure that out but at first I got sucked into the never ending game you guys play for self benefit.

Knowing yourself is far beyond what a electron microscope or hadron collider can teach you.

 

[Heisenberg]

You misunderstood the question. You could google anything and learn the very basics of the subject. What have you gained from the spiritual side of the arguments?

I have learned to be more structured and calm. I have learned that the atheists here have the same mindset as angry bible thumpers as they try to force their ideas onto others because they are convinced its the correct path to follow. Atheists have little bit more subtle approach though. With you I have learned a lot though, Im not just mentioning these as personal attacks so that I can get a reaction. You have been more open about your beliefs, imo, and that has given me more to work with. You've shown me that there is conflict at the base of your beliefs that you are in complete denial of, and in our last discussion you lashed out at me for pointing it out. Im going to guess that most of the active skeptics on here have similar insecurities.

I think you should try to figure yourselves out before you try and tell someone of a different mindset how things work. Because really, who have you 'helped' here besides an impressionable southern boy? Sure you have the polite theists that are not phased by the opposing arguments, but they still stand firm in their beliefs. Most of crazies on here would like to discuss with like minded people rather than sway the judgement of others. It took me a while to figure that out but at first I got sucked into the never ending game you guys play for self benefit.

Knowing yourself is far beyond what a electron microscope or hadron collider can teach you.

Why do you continue to belittle Hep by calling him a southern boy? How is it you know the minds of people who read here and can tell that the skeptic opinion is not helping? You can call yourself a lost cause because you know yourself, but you can not speak for the rest of us.

 

[MellowFarmer]

Well i didn't create that idea, if anything i have taken from it and added. The reason i didn't post what i meant by lightworkers was because i didn't want to give the 'textbook definition'. in my opinion a lightworker is simply someone who wants to spread their knowledge or ideas with others, and i suppose it's all in hopes of sharing vital information with them.

from a very early age i could feel energy emitted from people around me. when i am around happy people i am also much happier myself. the same for when others are angry, i can't begin to describe how many times i've had a good day, i get home and people around me were angry and my mood suddenly declines. when i help someone and they understand me, i light up on the inside because that in itself is a reward for me. i may be wrong in saying this but i believe this is a natural human instinct that we all share.

while i do realize that it is an idea, i didn't choose to believe this, i merely looked upon what made the most sense based on my own thoughts and surroundings. when i came upon this conclusion i noticed many others with similar traits and they happened to have labelled themselves as light workers. i wasn't sure how else to ask the question since we don't often like to think of ourselves as that in hopes of not sounding like we're trying to be better than others. we're all the same, after all. one love, right?

Thank you ganga, this is the first I have done more than skim the thread(do you ever find it hard to maintain a positive feeling or interest on subjects not comfortable to our brain's programming?) and I have seen the term around youtube and wondered if it meant all the Awakened as I imagine we must be the older souls but right on that Is Me as well lol I am also labeled ADD and in India and the like if you were to describe our disease of ADD to them they would call it a sign that person is an old soul; that we are very wise but are down to the end of our rides on Earth and want to finish up and get home already so we are running from one interest to another desperate to learn it all- it can get lame having to stop and explain what I have learned

 

[MellowFarmer]

I have never been able to "feel energy" despite trying. I don't know how to do this. More importantly, I do not know the procedures for validating that the felt energy is actual, external, and not that oldest trick of the cheatin' meat: an impression. cn

But you are energy cn all matter is energy reduced to a slow vibration.

 

[MellowFarmer]

I have never heard the term of light worker, but judging by what you've said I'm one too, it's nice to meet you. Like neer I love being able to touch things with my hands and build and see the changes and other things in an engineering sense, but beyond that I most prefer and am most interested, in the intangible things in life. My entire life all I have thought about, and will continue to think about, are abstract things and ideas including peoples energies. I just recently started to practice seeing auras around people with very little success, but there still is success in that. I pick up on how people feel almost too much it seems, I hate being happy and then picking up someones negative energy and it immediately brings me down. OR even though this may sound weird maybe you can understand, have you ever felt upset, something major happens like someone close to you dying, and just for a little bit, you WANT to feel upset. You want to get it through your system and nourish that feeling so you can better put it behind you, but someone comes along all happy and you start picking up that energy and your like "NO I want to feel sad for a couple hours to a day, god dammit let me feel sad!" I could probably talk a LOT about this stuff and many other things about spiritual intangible ideas lol

really shitty run on sentences with too many commas in here sorry

Nice to meet you

I just the other day was meditating and the walls disappeared for about a second I could see all around me and I had this belief I could do it when ever but then it slipped away. It wasn't anything I was practicing or trying I had just become mindful that we are the empty space and voila it was pretty cool

 

[MellowFarmer]

I thought you wanted to think... but apparently i am wrong. No worries, maybe someone else will read it and get something from it.

I find it more likely you are a lightworker in denial.

 

[MellowFarmer]

I predict a bunch of negative responses from the skeptics. They say that they are staying true to philosophy, which is also apart of this sub forum, and philosophy encourages questioning of ideas, like we are trying to convince the atheists of something instead of sharing our similar views with like minded people. Im pretty sure they know that we are not trying to recruit people, so you would have to think that their intentions dont benefit anyone but themselves and those that pat them on the back.

Maybe I can help Chief, how are you? I wasn't that far off from that when I joined just this April -damn folks are waking up fast just like they said eh? I think it is actually a lightworker quality when you see all the hate organized religions create and spread it feels like you should be doing something to help reverse the dangerous group think.

 

[MellowFarmer]

I admire your reluctance to show anything that even hints at negativity, seems effortless lol. I agree that Z could accomplish "knowing" if he put his mind to it, but the belief he is currently passionate about is all about not knowing and atheism and he seems dead set in his ways... I know the benefits of meditation and what not, Im just really lazy though. I tried meditation a couple of times sober but I was too scatter brained and got discouraged. I tried it once while high on marijuana and it was an amazing experience. I instantly felt the relaxation and after a minute it started to seem like a psychedelic trip and my amazement took me out of the silence and I was frustrated again lol I will be sure to practice meditation this weekend... Just not with weed, my recent heart condition prevents me from smoking weed, scary things happen to my heart when Im high.

My head won't leave my head alone? been there it'll be addictive soon though you wait and I believe what ms was getting at is everything in moderation as I say even broccolli will kill ya if you eat to much of it. Weed WON'T lol but as with everything there needs to be a balance so remember to even out that cocaine with a little opium jk

 

[MellowFarmer]

Theres only only one side, the rest haven't realize it. If they need science as validation I can promise them that in my reality I will have this validation within the next two decades. There are forces working against science. For fucks sake were still debating over whether or not aliens are real while these guys are flying metallic and non metallic craft (non physical) over our skies.

Fortunately or unfortunately, however you view it, if they are vibrating at a low frequency after the quarantine, that is what their reality will bring their physical being and nothing wrong with that. We all have a lesson or two to learn here.

I feel you we are all One but I submit that there is a them to an us within the One.

 

[MellowFarmer]

First you must show that global alignment is real, or any of the other outrageous claims made about the pyramids. The burden of proof falls to those claiming aliens. We can see the evolution of pyramid design, including the bent pyramid whose construction was changed half way up when they realized the base would not hold the weight.

You have accepted the claims of alien pyramid builders without doing any research. You have not bothered to separate fact from rumor.



If you want to be taken seriously, you can not simply label those who disagree as building walls and pushing you back.. If this is your goal, use the PM system for your discussion instead of making it public. In these forums your views will be challenged. You can not expect others to listen to you and at the same time demand not to listen to others.

I find it rather naive for folks to think we are the only intelligent lifeforms in the entire universe.

 

[cannabineer]

But you are energy cn all matter is energy reduced to a slow vibration.

Okay. Since you invoke vibration, I'll ask my standard request of clarification. Frequency, amplitude, spectral distribution? Detector for this vibrational spectrum? "Vibration" is one of those terms that have meaning in physics, and so is "energy". I am not happy when I see the terms used by the magical community, because I see it as an effort to steal some of the legitimacy these terms have acquired through the elaboration of physics.

Now, in the defense of the magicals, describing the intersection of spirit and the mundane might be very hard, like trying to definitively explain "blue" to a blind person. But in their prosecution, I've seen entirely too much repurposing of physical terms into physically unsupportable situations, like the above "vibrations". Unless, of course, someone can break the great vast eternal unbroken silence and pipe up with the engineering end of it ... detector and spectrum. cn

Postscript: why magicals? Because as long as humans have had a continuous history, we have had a word for the human participation in the action of spirit upon matter, and it is magic. cn

 

[dashcues]

I find it rather naive for folks to think we are the only intelligent lifeforms in the entire universe.

Pretty sure that's not was Heisenberg was implying.
What I believe he was stating( and Heis can correct me if I'm wrong) is that we have sufficient evidence to understand how the pyramids were made without alien intervention.