Global warming pauses... for sixteen years

[canndo]

So Canndo's fix for every problem is to raise taxes. Ignore the 5 fold increase in fuel availability due to fracking, ignore the consequences of overpricing fuel to the consumer so liberals can buy votes of the ignorant poor. Just tax, tax, tax. The liberals answer to everything.

Where do I say that the fix for "every problem" (I figure you mean every energy problem), is rasing taxes? Normalization of the cost and price of energy is not the only fix but as I have stated numberous times, it is better for us to deal with a crisis beforehand rather than after it has struck.

Or don't you think that spikes of fuel prices of a couple of dollars is a problem - it is obvious you do.

You folks remind me of a town hall meeting. The farmers and folks are talking to a civil engineer. "if you don't build a levee, sooner or later you are going to have to rush around and fill sandbags when the level of the river rises above it's natural containment.


"but why?" ask the townspeople. "the water has never risen above it's banks so far that we couldn't contain it before, imagine what the cost of that levee will do to our little community,it's too much, the poor will have problems, the rich won't contribute enough, we will be impoverished, and besides, we know that river and those who claim that the water might get too high to manage are getting money for grants from the governnment and you know how THEY are"


then, in the spring, the water goes 10 feet above their current provisions but it doesn't cause too much damage and the town repairs "see? we told you it wouldn't be a problem". but the river does the same thing three years later and the townsfolk still do nothing - "that is just the way the river works,it has happened long before this town was established and it will happen long after we are all dead and gone"

"we don't want to leave the massive debt that building that levee would cost to our children, think of the children" they say six months before yet another flood.

 

[Doer]

Well, not quite dead, quite yet, but I have heard that estimate. There was a foot amputation from the water puddle nightmare. War wounds. To be expected. Taking the hampered response, lack of equipment, and the tenacity of the volunteers, the severity of the radiation, it looks like Chernobyl. So, Chernobyl can but used to arrive at the rough estimate of the expected fatalities, I would guess.

 

[canndo]

Wildlife is thriving around Chernobyl! Wolves have moved in. The place looks like a paradise. There are still high levels of radioactivity there, though.

Yes, I believe Exxon is telling folks in Alaska that they have it good, that the Valdeeze actually improved their fishing grounds. I know that BP is claiming that there was no lasting harm even as three headed shrimp are washing up on the shore and people discovered that their homes were smeared with oil after the last hurricane

 

[Doer]

Haven't your heard? Wolves and their prey don't live long enough to die of cancer. No studies i know of yet about mutations.

 

[Doer]

She is spunky, she has interesting teeth and I like her slight lisp.

Looks like she fell off a roof corner of Notre Dame and needs flap her leather wings back up there.

 

[ginjawarrior]

Yes, I believe Exxon is telling folks in Alaska that they have it good, that the Valdeeze actually improved their fishing grounds. I know that BP is claiming that there was no lasting harm even as three headed shrimp are washing up on the shore and people discovered that their homes were smeared with oil after the last hurricane

"
New research by Professor Jim Smith, of the University of Portsmouth, and colleagues from the University of the West of England has cast doubt on earlier studies on the impact on birds of the catastrophic nuclear accident at Chernobyl in April 1986.
Their findings, published in the Royal Society journal Biology Letters, are likely to also apply to wildlife at Fukushima in Japan following its nuclear disaster in 2011 and represent an important step forward in clarifying the debate on the biological effects of radiation."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120411084107.htm

 

[Red1966]

2 (i think) workers died from being crushed not radiation a couple of workers did receive a very high dose a week or so later 50-100 is a fabrication whoever told you that was having you on "all the main parts of the station (reactor pressure vessel, cooling system, control system, emergency shutdown)" if the emergency generatorshad of been placed higher then none of this would have happened

you think? If this, if that, it wouldn't have happened? Well it did happen. None of your "ifs" mean shit. You claim this was a safe design, the facts say it wasn't. Your argument that somehow the resulting disaster should just be ignored is asinine.

 

[ginjawarrior]

Well, not quite dead, quite yet, but I have heard that estimate. There was a foot amputation from the water puddle nightmare. War wounds. To be expected. Taking the hampered response, lack of equipment, and the tenacity of the volunteers, the severity of the radiation, it looks like Chernobyl. So, Chernobyl can but used to arrive at the rough estimate of the expected fatalities, I would guess.

have you got a source for this "foot amputation?

 

[Doer]

You aroused my curiosity.
I found a publication that estimates natural (geothermal) global heat loss at about 44 terawatts.
http://www.unicamp.br/fea/ortega/extensao/Stein.pdf
Current artificial energy use is estimated at fifteen terawatts (200.
We're catching up with the entire planetary surface as a heat source!
(But all this pales in significance to the amount of energy we absorb from the sun, which is over a hundred thousand terawatts.) cn

Exactly. And we have no idea of variability of the Sun energy, long term.

 

[ginjawarrior]

you think? If this, if that, it wouldn't have happened? Well it did happen. None of your "ifs" mean shit. You claim this was a safe design, the facts say it wasn't. Your argument that somehow the resulting disaster should just be ignored is asinine.

that power station could have surfed japan all the way to china if the backup/ auxillery generators were placed higher

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/jul/05/fukushima-meltdown-manmade-disaster

 

[MuyLocoNC]

Again and again we see this "well first they said it was cooling, then they said it was warming - Bwahaha, they are sooo stupid, you can't trust science because they are always changing their mind".

How long will it have to keep warming before you naysayers decide that maybe we have the evidence and maybe it is warming and maybe we are doing it?

the last decade was the hottest decade on record, CO2 concentrations continue to rise and are now well above anything we have seen in core samples from the last five hundred thousand years.

there is no "plateau" and even if there was, it would indicate nothing. It would invalidate your folks theories that the sun did it.

Lol, they keep calling us out on our failures and errors that destroyed people's lives, it's not fair. Waaaaah.

Science can be trusted. Scientists that manipulate data and/or enter bogus data into the models, for a multitude of reasons, cannot.

Eco-loons deserve every derisive comment that we can muster.

As far as how long, I'd say a 50 year run of temperatures well above a 30 million year average would just about do it. Get back to us when you got that and we'll talk about some of your ideas.

In regards to CO2, that's awesome since it's a minuscule player in the greenhouse gas component of our atmosphere. Robert Kennedy Jr, darling of the MMGW movement, said it best, "We could cut our CO2 output to zero and it wouldn't really make a difference."

REMEMBER THE SPOTTED OWL!!®

 

[Doer]

have you got a source for this "foot amputation?

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No, it is very hard to get any info on this. I just remember that it was reported, not in the US. I was watching translated newscasts from Tokyo. I want a raw feed if possible. Just like Benghazi I knew what was happening before the US press "feels comfortable."

I remember seeing this guy's foot, very burned and the text was they he will probably have an amputation. It surely damaged the bone.

You can do your own research.

 

[canndo]

Let me see if I have this in order:


We should wait before we spend money and time correcting activity that causes suspected global warming because there really isn't much evidence that global warming is hazardous even if it is happeneing and we should save our money for more concrete dangers.

But We should be proactive on voter ID, we should spend the money and endanger legitimate voter's ability to vote because, well, you never know and it is best that we be safe from illegal voting that has never been proven to exist at all.


Is that about it?

 

[althor]

Where do I say that the fix for "every problem" (I figure you mean every energy problem), is rasing taxes? Normalization of the cost and price of energy is not the only fix but as I have stated numberous times, it is better for us to deal with a crisis beforehand rather than after it has struck.

Or don't you think that spikes of fuel prices of a couple of dollars is a problem - it is obvious you do.

You folks remind me of a town hall meeting. The farmers and folks are talking to a civil engineer. "if you don't build a levee, sooner or later you are going to have to rush around and fill sandbags when the level of the river rises above it's natural containment.


"but why?" ask the townspeople. "the water has never risen above it's banks so far that we couldn't contain it before, imagine what the cost of that levee will do to our little community,it's too much, the poor will have problems, the rich won't contribute enough, we will be impoverished, and besides, we know that river and those who claim that the water might get too high to manage are getting money for grants from the governnment and you know how THEY are"


then, in the spring, the water goes 10 feet above their current provisions but it doesn't cause too much damage and the town repairs "see? we told you it wouldn't be a problem". but the river does the same thing three years later and the townsfolk still do nothing - "that is just the way the river works,it has happened long before this town was established and it will happen long after we are all dead and gone"

"we don't want to leave the massive debt that building that levee would cost to our children, think of the children" they say six months before yet another flood.

wouldnt it be closer to...

Townspeople: "Well is running dry we need to dig another well."
Government: "No, lets raise taxes on water so people cant afford it and will use less."
Townspeople: "We are already using as little as we possibly can and still live."
Government: "Well raising taxes will make that better also."

 

[ginjawarrior]

o

No, it is very hard to get any info on this. I just remember that it was reported, not in the US. I was watching translated newscasts from Tokyo. I want a raw feed if possible. Just like Benghazi I knew what was happening before the US press "feels comfortable."

I remember seeing this guy's foot, very burned and the text was they he will probably have an amputation. It surely damaged the bone.

You can do your own research.

i have done my own research on fukishima and have never seen the story of the foot being amputated

thats why i ask where you got it from

 

[canndo]

wouldnt it be closer to...

Townspeople: "Well is running dry we need to dig another well."
Government: "No, lets raise taxes on water so people cant afford it and will use less."
Townspeople: "We are already using as little as we possibly can and still live."
Government: "Well raising taxes will make that better also."

Sure, fine, so they drill that well, and another and another and there is no more water so the cost of the water they do have goes up and up and up and they have the same problem they had with raised taxes - only now they have to import their water from someplace else and those folks over there in the next county want 5 times the original cost of the water - And, the other county gets all the profit.

 

[Doer]

Let me see if I have this in order:


We should wait before we spend money and time correcting activity that causes suspected global warming because there really isn't much evidence that global warming is hazardous even if it is happeneing and we should save our money for more concrete dangers.

But We should be proactive on voter ID, we should spend the money and endanger legitimate voter's ability to vote because, well, you never know and it is best that we be safe from illegal voting that has never been proven to exist at all.


Is that about it?

Sophistry. False argument. Can't you even compare two things in the same ballpark, money wise? And how Freudian to connect this to another Lefty sacred cow. Open voting. Mob rule. You don't want citizens only to vote. You want every breather and their dog to vote for your agenda. So transparent.

It's all agenda as you plainly show. Have the "scientists" vote on if they "feel" that AGW or GW even is true. And have the vote conducted by the most biased for political agenda. Sweet.

 

[Red1966]

I heard otherwise. Source for this please? cn

http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/17/researchers-estimate-130-might-die-from-fukushima-related-cancers/ http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/state&id=8742223 http://www.futurity.org/health-medicine/estimate-predicts-fukushimas-toll-at-130-deaths/

 

[ginjawarrior]

http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/17/researchers-estimate-130-might-die-from-fukushima-related-cancers/ http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/state&id=8742223 http://www.futurity.org/health-medicine/estimate-predicts-fukushimas-toll-at-130-deaths/

none of them are workers dying at the plant from radiation

its interesting that the evacuation killed more people than the estimate they gave

 

[Red1966]

Where do I say that the fix for "every problem" (I figure you mean every energy problem), is rasing taxes? Normalization of the cost and price of energy is not the only fix but as I have stated numberous times, it is better for us to deal with a crisis beforehand rather than after it has struck. Or don't you think that spikes of fuel prices of a couple of dollars is a problem - it is obvious you do. You folks remind me of a town hall meeting. The farmers and folks are talking to a civil engineer. "if you don't build a levee, sooner or later you are going to have to rush around and fill sandbags when the level of the river rises above it's natural containment. "but why?" ask the townspeople. "the water has never risen above it's banks so far that we couldn't contain it before, imagine what the cost of that levee will do to our little community,it's too much, the poor will have problems, the rich won't contribute enough, we will be impoverished, and besides, we know that river and those who claim that the water might get too high to manage are getting money for grants from the governnment and you know how THEY are" then, in the spring, the water goes 10 feet above their current provisions but it doesn't cause too much damage and the town repairs "see? we told you it wouldn't be a problem". but the river does the same thing three years later and the townsfolk still do nothing - "that is just the way the river works,it has happened long before this town was established and it will happen long after we are all dead and gone" "we don't want to leave the massive debt that building that levee would cost to our children, think of the children" they say six months before yet another flood.

Nice story. What has it to do with energy?