Why are we worried about offending

[billybob420]

Hey beenthere, you told Carne Seca that Dubya didn't start two wars, and that those wars were declared by a bipartisan congress, but congress hasn't declared war since WW2. WTF? OVER!

Semantics. Congress did vote on those wars, and what did they come up with? (I won't spoil it).

Also, congress voted to fund those wars.

Hmmmm....

 

[abandonconflict]

Semantics. Congress did vote on those wars, and what did they come up with? (I won't spoil it).

Also, congress voted to fund those wars.

Hmmmm....

In context of the argument, semantics give Clayton no concealment, Obama inherited wars started by Dubya.

 

[billybob420]

In context of the argument, semantics give Clayton no concealment, Obama inherited wars started by Dubya.

Yeah, they do. Dubya didn't start it all on his own. Obama was part of the government then, too.

You (and anyone else) trying to put those wars on 1 person is a god damn fool. We all dropped the ball. Didn't ask enough questions. Believed everything we were told.

We fucked up.... Dubya is a fuck up. See... semantics.

 

[Doer]

you fancy yourself nonpartisan but are at odds ideologically with anyone here leaning left, and now, have cosied up to yet another righty. Your views seem to come straight from the teabaggers, including, lol, birther sympathy. You are not at all outside of the left/right paradigm, you're a righty.

You label so you can dismiss. Then you label another and claim we are cozy.

You said you were in college, right? Something medical, if I remember. So, uplift the dialog, son. I don't fancy myself anything but an old guy who has seen a lot. And I told you I'm against. I'm Left of Left. I'm Now. Just because it is confusing, to you, I don't care.

You are being exposed. You don't need ideology. That's the dupe.

And, btw, I'm only at odds with gargoyles that think they are parrots and put forward foul mouth, content free posts.

 

[abandonconflict]

You label so you can dismiss. You said you were in college, right? Something medical, if I remember. So, uplift, son. I don't fancy myself anything but an old guy who has seen a lot. And I told you I'm against. I'm Left of Left. I'm Now. Just because it is confusing, to you, I don't care.

You are being exposed. You don't need ideology. That's the dupe.

ok dude, cool, ideology, got it, duped, dismissed...

 

[abandonconflict]

Yeah, they do. Dubya didn't start it all on his own. Obama was part of the government then, too.

You (and anyone else) trying to put those wars on 1 person is a god damn fool. We all dropped the ball. Didn't ask enough questions. Believed everything we were told.

We fucked up.... Dubya is a fuck up. See... semantics.

how did Obama vote?

Therefore he inherited wars started by Dubya. Fine, a bunch of others believed it and we are to blame also.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

movie ok, maybe not as tasteful as Muslims would have expected but oh well . . . . . Muslims should not have rioted, we all know some used this event to polarize anger and anti American BS(like America is responsible for some idiots movie, i was offended by JUMPER you dont see me acting up) and the attack is not a excuse for anti Muslim BS either, it is what it is, to be honest we should expect the countries of the riots to deal with it and be cooperative in making our embassies safe

thats it . .what else is there to argue or discuss

 

[shonto]

i honestly wish i lived in a muslim free community

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

i honestly wish i lived in a muslim free community

i would hope as time goes by people, on either side, would try to work toward living in a setting where religious choice is not an excuse to treat anyone badly . . . .if the aniti western and anti other religion agendas from either antagonist were gone . . . . .it would be a lot more fun to be in a diverse community

 

[shonto]

it woild be a lot more fun to live in a safe community

 

[Doer]

Yeah, they do. Dubya didn't start it all on his own. Obama was part of the government then, too.

You (and anyone else) trying to put those wars on 1 person is a god damn fool. We all dropped the ball. Didn't ask enough questions. Believed everything we were told.
We fucked up.... Dubya is a fuck up. See... semantics.

Those wars were something that still may have been very necessary regarding Iran and the situation with Pakistan, Events un-fold as we speak.

War is a necessary evil, that's why I'm Left of Left. I'm real. Don't imagine we give any slack. We can't. We won't, no matter who is President.

When a President is read in, only then does he see the interlocking secret agreements based on the skeletons and the "you owe me."

That is real and almost all bets are bad when he gets in. It just the man or the handlers, but big undertaking of any US President is not to be questioned, we don't have the background. This all seems weird in the levels of lies, but it is above our security clearance. Every single bit of it. Yeah?

 

[Doer]

i honestly wish i lived in a muslim free community

Dogs and cats. No tolerance. Do you know the history here? Who put the wuup ass on who and when is a very interesting story.

The story of Kosovo is but a tale. I'm with ya. Advanced thinking is in the eye of the beholder, Infidel. And we won't be allowed to forget it.

 

[abandonconflict]

Those wars were something that still may have been very necessary regarding Iran and the situation with Pakistan, Events un-fold as we speak.

War is a necessary evil, that's why I'm Left of Left. I'm real. Don't imagine we give any slack. We can't. We won't, no matter who is President.

When a President is read in, only then does he see the interlocking secret agreements based on the skeletons and the "you owe me."

That is real and almost all bets are bad when he gets in. It just the man or the handlers, but big undertaking of any US President is not to be questioned, we don't have the background. This all seems weird in the levels of lies, but it is above our security clearance. Every single bit of it. Yeah?

Do you know about the opium wars? Basically, England kept China high on junk for centuries.

Ever wonder where all of A-Stan's dope goes? Karachi. We fucked those people over so badly and most Americans have no clue. All you know is that they hate us. We have waged war on Pakistan in this way for a decade now. Know how Pakistan came to be? It is basically a Muslim reserve of the former British colony of India. Make no mistake, the West has kept them down for decades.

Then I come across forgiving ones, usually Shia, that is when I know this shit ain't right.

If you think those wars are necessary name one positive result of either.

 

[abandonconflict]

You ain't left of anything teabagger.

 

[nontheist]

I was referring to nontheist's statistics. He cannot have experienced those. I was entirely ignoring UB's potshot because, after all, it was cheap.
I see that nontheist has posted a wall of citations, but cannot identify which one supports his numbers. cn

Actually my numbers are posted from one source, it from a book writing by pro Muslims that admit only 7% of Muslims are radical. Many people have picked apart the numbers and clearly pointed out its closer to 40% radical in "westerners" view. For example, if they partially agree killing American's on 9/11 they aren't labeled "radical". It also seems that other Muslim statistics do this also. So its very hard to get a specific number but a large portion is ok will killing us for some reason or another. Also some people rank Muslims that are ok with sucide bombings "moderate" the perception is so fucking skewed it outrageous. If someone sat down and added the numbers up of Muslims that think its justifiable to kill "sometimes" it would scare the hell out of people.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/066chpzg.asp

 

[cannabineer]

Actually my numbers are posted from one source, it from a book writing by pro Muslims that admit only 7% of Muslims are radical. Many people have picked apart the numbers and clearly pointed out its closer to 40% radical in "westerners" view. For example, if they partially agree killing American's on 9/11 they aren't labeled "radical". It also seems that other Muslim statistics do this also. So its very hard to get a specific number but a large portion is ok will killing us for some reason or another. Also some people rank Muslims that are ok with sucide bombings "moderate" the perception is so fucking skewed it outrageous. If someone sat down and added the numbers up of Muslims that think its justifiable to kill "sometimes" it would scare the hell out of people.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/066chpzg.asp

Thank you for the link. It is interesting. cn

 

[Doer]

You ain't left of anything teabagger.

You need a pair in a big hairy teabag slapped across your forehead, Medic. You are sucking on the Fascists and don't know it.

You can't even discuss it. waaaaaaa.......wooops downgrade.

 

[abandonconflict]

You need a pair in a big hairy teabag slapped across your forehead, Medic. You are sucking on the Fascists and don't know it.

You can't even discuss it. waaaaaaa.......wooops downgrade.

you love me, I knew it

Quit following me around like a lost puppy.

 

[billybob420]

how did Obama vote?

Therefore he inherited wars started by Dubya. Fine, a bunch of others believed it and we are to blame also.

Obama was a senator and I haven't examined his voting record, but I"m fairly certain he voted to fund the war a couple times and voted against troop withdrawal a couple times as well.

But that's not the point. The point is, anyone who puts it all on Bush doesn't have a very good handle on geopolitical situations.

For an "anarchist" you sure have no problem scapegoating one member of the government to benefit another.

And I'll tell you why it's semantics. If you go to Iraq and ask who started the war, most people aren't gonna say "dubya", they're gonna say "america". And that's the truth.

 

[UncleBuck]

Obama was a senator and I haven't examined his voting record, but I"m fairly certain he voted to fund the war a couple times and voted against troop withdrawal a couple times as well.

But that's not the point. The point is, anyone who puts it all on Bush doesn't have a very good handle on geopolitical situations.

For an "anarchist" you sure have no problem scapegoating one member of the government to benefit another.

And I'll tell you why it's semantics. If you go to Iraq and ask who started the war, most people aren't gonna say "dubya", they're gonna say "america". And that's the truth.

dubya wanted to get us into iraq before 9/11.

the first thing he did after 9/11 was ask wolfowitz what he had on iraq.

he then misled the american public for a while until the may 2003 invasion.

the president controls the bully pulpit, and he used that along with his political capitol to get us in there.

obama was in lincoln protesting that it was not too late the day before the invasion.