Wait? ~ 50% of people don't pay taxes?!

[althor]

That depends upon what states pay to the Feds more than they take. If california pays to the feds more than they take back in welfare then they are not really a welfare state.

It is interesting that you claim that if a state has lots of military bases - it can't be welfare. I wonder how it is that on one hand the right claims that government cannot create jobs and on the other are very upset at the jobs lost if we close down a base.

How does that work?

I dont know, ask someone on the right. I know I have never said it. Government can create jobs, whether they should or not in some cases is another question. They could hire 5000000000000 more people to work at the DMV, doesnt mean you wont be waiting in a 2 hour line while 1 person works and the other 499999999999 are sitting around eating.

 

[canndo]

not quite true, some things create an entirely new market which may or may not find demand depending on the market.

fashionable clothing for example does not appeal to the buyer through utility, durability or low cost, it sells solely based on the whim of the buyer, and their desire to be foppish. trousers with holes in them, jeans with sparkles, glitter and rhinestones, or shirts that are 6 sizes to big are in no way functional. they are entirely based on the fancy of popinjays.

these senseless garments do not detract from the sales of real clothing, as the clowns and minstrel performers who wear them would be disinterested in the clothing worn by people who work for a living.

luxury goods and sumptuary products are separate from the laws of supply and demand, in that there is no "Demand" only desire. and foolish desire at that.

or looked at through another angle, lowriders do not detract from the sales of normal automobile parts, they simply create a market for shitty hydraulics kits, sparkly paint, and tiny steering wheels. those who indulge in these flights of fancy are not creating a demand for chopped suspensions and banged up mufflers (if equipped) they simply are simply creating a market by which fools can be separated from their money in exchange for whistle tips and faux fur dashboard covers.

if nobody were foolish, foppish or stupid, there would be no demand for laceless sneakers 5 sizes too big (we used to cal them slippers), whistle tips, or shamwows. therefore there would be no producers of such products, and the world would be a little less funny, and a little less colourful.

One could argue entertainment value or adornment beyond the utility of clothing. In general at least the principle is sound, if there is no competition for an item or service, then that service or item will never sell. The reality is that there is such a thing as fad. Fad can create a "demand" but it is short lived.

 

[mr2shim]

Why aren't DMV's privatized? You can have a company like UPS or FEDEX to compete with USPS. Where is the private company for DMV?

 

[Dr Kynes]

That depends upon what states pay to the Feds more than they take. If california pays to the feds more than they take back in welfare then they are not really a welfare state.

It is interesting that you claim that if a state has lots of military bases - it can't be welfare. I wonder how it is that on one hand the right claims that government cannot create jobs and on the other are very upset at the jobs lost if we close down a base.

How does that work?

california sends washington far more money than it receives back in highway funds, school funds, welfare assistance, etc. states like vermont and new jersey are siphon states who receive far more federal funds than they send in. this is how the game works. the more you bend to washington's whims the more of your state's (and thus YOUR OWN) money they deign to send back.

 

[canndo]

I dont know, ask someone on the right. I know I have never said it. Government can create jobs, whether they should or not in some cases is another question. They could hire 5000000000000 more people to work at the DMV, doesnt mean you wont be waiting in a 2 hour line while 1 person works and the other 499999999999 are sitting around eating.

I believe what you are talking about is donor states. For the most part many Republican states are donor states, in other words they take more federal money than they pay.

 

[Johnny Retro]

To the supply and demand debate..

Was there a demand for Iphones before apple introduced them? Was there a demand for windows before it was created? Demand is created by innovation. Innovation is created by investment. Investment is provided by those who are willing to invest. And those who are willing to invest need confidence in the system.

If disposable income is incredibly low, how come there is so much demand for an over priced piece of technology?

Looking at supply and demand from a black and white point of view is obsolete.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Why aren't DMV's private? You can have a company like UPS or FEDEX. Where is the private company for DMV?

the DMV is a compulsory "service" no-one volunteers to register their car,, pay the tax, and be forced to buy insurance just for the privilege of being gouged, therefore nobody would ever create a private DMV even if such a thing were allowed. you might as well create a privatized, for profit, voluntary self-enslavement auction house and wait for the fools to rush in for some shiny new chains and a bowl of gruel.

only a moron would attempt to compete with a compulsory governemnt organization which creates it's "demand" by literally DEMANDING that you submit. theres no profit in it without the force of law to compel "customers" to pay for your services.

 

[Dr Kynes]

One could argue entertainment value or adornment beyond the utility of clothing. In general at least the principle is sound, if there is no competition for an item or service, then that service or item will never sell. The reality is that there is such a thing as fad. Fad can create a "demand" but it is short lived.

demand and desire are quite different. there was never demand for Hula Hoops or Yo Yo's, only desire. this desire garnered a lot of cash, but if they charged too much for the object it was rejected. if you are the only guy in town who has food, water or air, you can charge whatever you want for it, due to actual demand, till you get lynched.

 

[canndo]

california sends washington far more money than it receives back in highway funds, school funds, welfare assistance, etc. states like vermont and new jersey are siphon states who receive far more federal funds than they send in. this is how the game works. the more you bend to washington's whims the more of your state's (and thus YOUR OWN) money they deign to send back.

The last time I stated that Doc, I was corrected, I was told that California was a recipient state. I looked it up and found that it was still a donor state but not by much - one would think it has something to do with the high unemployment rate in the state.

 

[ChesusRice]

Why aren't DMV's privatized? You can have a company like UPS or FEDEX to compete with USPS. Where is the private company for DMV?

They are privatizing the DMV
everything is mroe expensive now
MY new DL was printed in California even thought the photo was taken here
Emissions tests are not at Private mechanics who charge for the test, and of course will offer you a way to fix your emissions problems
Plates and registration cost more and you can get them at check cashing places

and If you want to actually go to the DMV here

They charge you a 10 dollar service fee for doing so

 

[Johnny Retro]

They are privatizing the DMV
everything is mroe expensive now
MY new DL was printed in California even thought the photo was taken here
Emissions tests are not at Private mechanics who charge for the test, and of course will offer you a way to fix your emissions problems
Plates and registration cost more and you can get them at check cashing places

and If you want to actually go to the DMV here

They charge you a 10 dollar service fee for doing so

Who competes with the DMV?

 

[Fungus Gnat]

Who competes with the DMV?

The coroner.

 

[ChesusRice]

Who competes with the DMV?

Everything but drivers licenses are available at retail locations in the state of wisconsin
Tags, emissions testing, Registration, Plates
And evertime you have to go to the DMV you get charged an extra 10 bucks just for going. They call it a Service fee

 

[Johnny Retro]

Everything but drivers licenses are available at retail locations in the state of wisconsin
Tags, emissions testing, Registration, Plates
And evertime you have to go to the DMV you get charged an extra 10 bucks just for going. They call it a Service fee

So why would you go to the DMV if those are so over priced? Why not go to those retail locations? If something is offered cheaper at another place, why go the more expensive place? Seems like a consumer problem.

 

[Dr Kynes]

They are privatizing the DMV
everything is mroe expensive now
MY new DL was printed in California even thought the photo was taken here
Emissions tests are not at Private mechanics who charge for the test, and of course will offer you a way to fix your emissions problems
Plates and registration cost more and you can get them at check cashing places

and If you want to actually go to the DMV here

They charge you a 10 dollar service fee for doing so

need i say it?

Fair Share

Revenue Enhancement

Spread the Wealth Around

 

[ChesusRice]

So why would you go to the DMV if those are so over priced? Why not go to those retail locations? If something is offered cheaper at another place, why go the more expensive place? Seems like a consumer problem.

Did I mention
Privatization has made all the services more expensive?
Go back and reread

 

[Dr Kynes]

So why would you go to the DMV if those are so over priced? Why not go to those retail locations? If something is offered cheaper at another place, why go the more expensive place? Seems like a consumer problem.

the check cahsing places charge you the same fee as the DMV office plus a piece of the action on top for themselves. the DMV itself is still a government mandated "service" but you can pay for those services through other private interests fro a price, just like Obamacare, you can use the "Government Exchange" or pay for private insurance, either way your paying the same mandated minimums and anything extra simply costs you more for better services. either way you will be compelled to comply or face the consequences which can include prison.

the DMV attach their own slightly smaller fee for their "services" at the offices but then you get to deal with the lizard people behind the counter (thats why the DMV and in fact ALL government offices are so warm, basking lamps and heated rocks for the bureaucrats) and the interminable wait surrounded by the rest of the damned souls waiting for their turn to escape purgatory.

the DMV simply licenses check cashing places to do business for them as their proxy for those who do not wish to go to the actual DMV (where there are always cops looking for fugitives and people who smell like weed) for a nominal fee on top of the regular non-nominal fees.

 

[ChesusRice]

My license is printed in California and sent by mail

they still take the Photo here
And they charge more than they did for the privelege of letting some third party print it

 

[cannabineer]

the DMV is a compulsory "service" no-one volunteers to register their car,, pay the tax, and be forced to buy insurance just for the privilege of being gouged, therefore nobody would ever create a private DMV even if such a thing were allowed. you might as well create a privatized, for profit, voluntary self-enslavement auction house and wait for the fools to rush in for some shiny new chains and a bowl of gruel.

only a moron would attempt to compete with a compulsory governemnt organization which creates it's "demand" by literally DEMANDING that you submit. theres no profit in it without the force of law to compel "customers" to pay for your services.

But this completely dismisses the other major function of a DMV, which is to allow only notionally safe and functional vehicles onto the road. Some of these state functions are very valuable, and there's no federalist/libertarian/Randie way to generate a stand-in. cn

 

[UncleBuck]

I always though that was just a republican talking point but that's true.

Its dropped a little lower then 50% but still 47%.?

This is like every person in america who pays taxes has one of their bum ass cousins crashing at their house.

At this rate I say fuck paying any taxes and put up more tolls.

and you can thank republicans for helping to create this number that they now complain about.

the bush tax cuts alone put about 8 million households into the "no net tax liability" category. other bipartisan bills, like the child tax credit, EITC, and others credits that incentivize work also add to that number.

what's missing is that a majority of that 47% pay payroll taxes: 61% of them to be exact. that means that they work. a good percentage of the rest are elderly, meaning they worked all their lives.

but according to romney, these retired folks and low wage workers and struggling families are self-described victims with entitlement mentalities who refuse to take responsibility for their lives. just a slap in the face to all the hard working men and women across this country.

sickening.