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Romney: Middle Class Earns 250,000??????

cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
nontheist said:
1. Absolutely not or I wouldn't be here but I do think it will be no different than Obama.
2. I am against the death penalty across the board but that's a state decision not a federal. Second I have been in countries that made my sign my understanding of that same law. Third I don't condone harder drugs than MJ, and if it's not local a good chance someone got hurt making it.
3. First of all rich pay 75% of the taxes you can't ignore that number I don't care what you say or how anyone tries to phrase it, it's fact. You don't have to be rich to see it.
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Those 75% of taxes come from what percentage of earnings? cn
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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nontheist said:
now now Canna now you sparking a flat tax argument which will increase taxes on the poor.
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cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
nontheist said:
now now Canna now you sparking a flat tax argument which will increase taxes on the poor.
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I'm still curious. If those 75% are from more than 75% of earned money, the progressive taxation scheme has been obviously subverted. I suspect this is the case, but don't know your source for the numbers. Since you provided the statistic (but without the bounds of the definition of either "rich" or "taxes", two ambiguous terms) I was hoping you'd have its proper partner to hand. cn
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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cannabineer said:
I'm still curious. If those 75% are from more than 75% of earned money, the progressive taxation scheme has been obviously subverted. I suspect this is the case, but don't know your source for the numbers. Since you provided the statistic (but without the bounds of the definition of either "rich" or "taxes", two ambiguous terms) I was hoping you'd have its proper partner to hand. cn
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don't hold your breath with nontheist.
 
nontheist

nontheist

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cannabineer said:
I'm still curious. If those 75% are from more than 75% of earned money, the progressive taxation scheme has been obviously subverted. I suspect this is the case, but don't know your source for the numbers. Since you provided the statistic (but without the bounds of the definition of either "rich" or "taxes", two ambiguous terms) I was hoping you'd have its proper partner to hand. cn
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From what I see is two libtards that can't stand that the rich pay more than their fair share, actually pay 3/4 of the nations taxes. (this is the top 5% mind you) So we make an argument about percentages, which has been argued 100 of times and has shown to hurt the lower class the worst because it will balance percentage more. If you want to make percentages even, it will hammer everyone and actually help the rich. So instead you guys want the rich to go from paying 75% of the taxes to 80%. Yep sound argument nothing unfair there.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
nontheist said:
From what I see is two libtards that can't stand that the rich pay more than their fair share, actually pay 3/4 of the nations taxes. (this is the top 5% mind you) So we make an argument about percentages, which has been argued 100 of times and has shown to hurt the lower class the worst because it will balance percentage more. If you want to make percentages even, it will hammer everyone and actually help the rich. So instead you guys want the rich to go from paying 75% of the taxes to 80%. Yep sound argument nothing unfair there.
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I found the following table, which supports the idea that progressive taxation works.

Number of Returns with Positive AGI​
AGI ($ millions)​
Income Taxes Paid ($ millions)​
Group's Share of Total AGI​
Group's Share of Income Taxes​
Income Split Point​
Average Tax Rate​
All Taxpayers
137,982,203​
 $7,825,389
 $865,863
 100.0%
 100.0%
 -
 11.06%
Top 1%
 1,379,822
 $1,324,572
 $318,043
 16.9%
 36.7%
 $343,927.00
 24.01%
1-5%
 5,519,288
 $1,157,918
 $189,864
 14.8%
 22.0%
​
 16.40%
Top 5%
 6,899,110
 $2,482,490
 $507,907
 31.7%
 58.7%
 $154,643.00
 20.46%
5-10%
 6,899,110
 $897,241
 $102,249
 11.5%
 11.8%
​
 11.40%
Top 10%
 13,798,220
 $3,379,731
 $610,156
 43.2%
 70.5%
 $112,124.00
 18.05%
10-25%
 20,697,331
$1,770,140​
 $145,747
 22.6%
 17.0%
​
 8.23%
Top 25%
 34,495,551
 $5,149,871
 $755,903
 65.8%
 87.3%
 $ 66,193.00
 14.68%
25-50%
 34,495,551
 $1,620,303
 $90,449
 20.7%
 11.0%
​
 5.58%
Top 50%
 68,991,102
 $6,770,174
 $846,352
 86.5%
 97.7%
 > $32,396
 12.50%
Bottom 50%
 68,991,102
$1,055,215​
 $19,511
 13.5%
 2.3%
 < $32,396
 1.85%

However there is one systematic distortion, and I do not know how badly it affects the real story. The incomes here are AGI, a limited measure. Cap gains and other earnings on investment are almost exclusively the province of the rich, and payroll taxes are not accounted in this table either.
Can anyone tell me what the total of taxable capital gains by individuals per annum is, and how it breaks down by the wealth (however measured) of the individual? cn
 
nontheist

nontheist

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Canna do you not believe that the top 1% pays 40% of the taxes collected the top 10% pay71% and the top 25% pay 85%?
 
FlyLikeAnEagle

FlyLikeAnEagle

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nontheist said:
1. Absolutely not or I wouldn't be here but I do think it will be no different than Obama.
2. I am against the death penalty across the board but that's a state decision not a federal. Second I have been in countries that made my sign my understanding of that same law. Third I don't condone harder drugs than MJ, and if it's not local a good chance someone got hurt making it.
3. First of all rich pay 75% of the taxes you can't ignore that number I don't care what you say or how anyone tries to phrase it, it's fact. You don't have to be rich to see it.
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So you agree that drug smugglers should be executed? And no, the death penalty is not just a state issue, the feds have it too.
 
ink the world

ink the world

Well-Known Member
nontheist said:
From what I see is two libtards that can't stand that the rich pay more than their fair share, actually pay 3/4 of the nations taxes. (this is the top 5% mind you) So we make an argument about percentages, which has been argued 100 of times and has shown to hurt the lower class the worst because it will balance percentage more. If you want to make percentages even, it will hammer everyone and actually help the rich. So instead you guys want the rich to go from paying 75% of the taxes to 80%. Yep sound argument nothing unfair there.
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what I see is an arrogant conservative that slyly leaves out a very important fact.

The top 20% also holds 80% of the nations wealth. Yeah, they need a tax cut paid, they're really hurting.
 
nontheist

nontheist

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FlyLikeAnEagle said:
So you agree that drug smugglers should be executed? And no, the death penalty is not just a state issue, the feds have it too.
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No I said I am against the death penalty but smuggling drugs is a dangerous business and when drugs move from country to country you're dealing with cartels which have been know to kill their fair share of people so my sympathy wanes.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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nontheist said:
Yes bucky if I assisted him in anyway I should be help accountable also.
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the disease in the GOP isn't new, trump is a result of the rot in the GOP and not the symptom of it

here is a rabid, hard-right racist from back in 2012 saying innocent children should be punished if their parents enter illegally.

6 years later, we now have children in concentration camps after being torn away from their parents over legal asylum seeking or misdemeanor border crossing
 
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