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deprave

deprave

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ChesusRice said:
Ive earned tens of dollars titling porn for Amazons mechanical Turk
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lol well I don't get to sit and watch it Im working on the backend developing the servers, such high bandwidth the popular sites takes 100's of servers and its all a delicate balance.
 
Mr Neutron

Mr Neutron

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bedspirit said:
My experience with Unions has been positive and that is both as a supervisor overseeing them and as a member myself. I always thought it was a myth that Unions protect lazy workers. How did your Unions go about doing that and why would the employer agree to such terms?
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If you were in a union, you know how unions can influence favor. Stewards and business agents will stand up for their buddies and let the others to fend for themselves. Employers can be held hostage by stubborn good ole boys.
Were you in a local or national union? I can see where a small, local union may work for the betterment of both the employee and the employer. Just like government, the smaller and more local, the better. My only experience is with some of the biggest national unions.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Grandpapy said:
I was thinking of all the things unions have done for the betterment of "America"

A living wage.
Health care.
Regular hours off, so you can raise and teach family values to your children.
Regular days off, so you can worship to the god of your understanding.
Holidays.

And the best, it brings out the "greedy" in corporations, to the point they will change the laws so we no longer have unions.

It's truly sad when a company says they will go out of business without concessions in wages, get the concessions, then give CEO's bonuses.

Most Corporations are "people" that have no patriotic value to the U.S., no regard for their actions other then increasing the Quarterly Profit Reports at any cost.
Just a side note: 50's-60's Auto Makers made record profits building a good product.
70's-80's Auto Makers loose profits by building a shit product. (the EPA didn't help but we now have cleaner air) I would venture to say there are more cars on the road from the 60's then the 80's.
1979 Lee Iaccoca head of Chrysler said " it's not the Labor thats costing us it the Health Care.

The smart thing would of been stop paying $12 for an aspirin.....Then and now!
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Here there are many '80s cars and almost none from the '60s or earlier. The '60s cars that remain are almost entirely muscle cars and Beetles. But there are many many '80s cars, notably Toyotas and Hondas. But counting domestics only ... lots of GMs and Mopars and the odd large Ford. cn
 
bedspirit

bedspirit

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Mr Neutron said:
If you were in a union, you know how unions can influence favor. Stewards and business agents will stand up for their buddies and let the others to fend for themselves. Employers can be held hostage by stubborn good ole boys.
Were you in a local or national union? I can see where a small, local union may work for the betterment of both the employee and the employer. Just like government, the smaller and more local, the better. My only experience is with some of the biggest national unions.
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The vast majority of my experience was with the Teamsters, but it was a local chapter. I've got some experience with specialized unions as well. None of them prevented termination and some of those specialized unions didn't even protect seniority.

I've seen stewards not stand up for employees in trouble before, but in the cases I saw, those situations did not favor the employee. I can understand why the union didn't want to spend the time and resource to help a guy who might have deserved what he got.

I've never seen an employer held hostage by a union. I'm sure it can happen, but financially, strikes are not good for employees. Whatever raise they're striking for almost never makes up for the loss of wage absorbed during the strike.

You may be on to something about those larger unions. I haven't experienced a union big enough to intimidate an employer to a degree that would harm the business.
 
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ChesusRice

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Unions are good
Union jobs suck

You get paid a good wage
and management makes sure you earn it.
You can be fired for poor performance. Very Very easily.
 
Grandpapy

Grandpapy

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cannabineer said:
Here there are many '80s cars and almost none from the '60s or earlier. The '60s cars that remain are almost entirely muscle cars and Beetles. But there are many many '80s cars, notably Toyotas and Hondas. But counting domestics only ... lots of GMs and Mopars and the odd large Ford. cn
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Ok, I should of known better. lol

I've seen more 67 Camaro's then 77 K-cars.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Grandpapy said:
Ok, I should of known better. lol

I've seen more 67 Camaro's then 77 K-cars.
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Lol, K-cars, Citations and Chevettes were the bottom of the barrel. Haven't seen a Chevy Monza in years either. I did see my high-school ride the other day though ... 1967 Ford Fairlane wagon, in stock and creditable condition. Memories ... cn
 
bedspirit

bedspirit

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beenthere said:
I worked for two different unions before I started a business, both of them had quota performance clauses that were put in place by management (the company) not the unions. I remember one time our BA telling us to take it easy because they were in negotiations with management to ease up on production, some of the senior union members were complaining they were over worked. Truth was, they were lazy fat slobs that got after us young guys for making them look bad. One of them was my foreman, this guy used to hide on the job-site during part of the day and take naps.

Take Cal-Trans for instance, you'll see 7-8 guys on a two man job standing around holding a shovels up talking instead or working, yeah unions are great, for the lazy and the unions.
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I believe that. I think employees will always resist change that will make them work harder. Doesn't matter if they're union or not. My company had gone through something similar. Profit margins aren't what they used to be for a lot of industries. The existence of lazy guys on the job is not a valid criticism of a union.

A real indictment of a union would be if they could successfully force a company to tolerate such laziness. I know our Union would never vote to go on strike to protect the right of our foreman to take naps. I can't even imagine how a union could argue for that right. I can understand a union arguing for lower quotas. Sometimes they might be right. That's why I would always prefer negotiation rather than just doing whatever management demands. I've noticed that in a lot of companies, management doesn't really understand what goes on and what's feasible at the production level.
 
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beenthere

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bedspirit said:
I believe that. I think employees will always resist change that will make them work harder. Doesn't matter if they're union or not. My company had gone through something similar. Profit margins aren't what they used to be for a lot of industries. The existence of lazy guys on the job is not a valid criticism of a union.

A real indictment of a union would be if they could successfully force a company to tolerate such laziness. I know our Union would never vote to go on strike to protect the right of our foreman to take naps. I can't even imagine how a union could argue for that right. I can understand a union arguing for lower quotas. Sometimes they might be right. That's why I would always prefer negotiation rather than just doing whatever management demands. I've noticed that in a lot of companies, management doesn't really understand what goes on and what's feasible at the production level.
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That's the point bedspirit, many unions do negotiate contracts that promote less production (laziness) why would our BA tell us to take it easy because we were making the the older guys look bad?

Do you think piece work is fair?
 
bedspirit

bedspirit

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Mr Neutron said:
Aren't they all local chapters? All under the national umbrella?
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I don't know. Does it vary for each industry they represent? For example, the police were teamsters too, so it would make sense for them to be a little broader. It doesn't matter, my experience was with a smaller localized union.
 
bedspirit

bedspirit

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beenthere said:
That's the point bedspirit, many unions do negotiate contracts that promote less production (laziness) why would our BA tell us to take it easy because we were making the the older guys look bad?

Do you think piece work is fair?
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I don't know about piece work, I don't have much experience with that kind of production.

Just as your Union was trying to slow production in order to get a better deal on their end, I'm sure the company engaged in their own tricks to get an advantage at the table as well. Our contracts only lasted 3 years so I've seen it play out time and time again.

When an agreement is finally reached, I think both sides should stand behind it. If it turned out to be too generous to the employees, I don't think the union should be vilified for it. Sometimes it goes the other way and the employer wins.
 
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beenthere

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UncleBuck said:
a guy who has to pay for sex and a racist walk into a bar.

"hey, neutron and beenthere."
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Just looked up the demographics of Oregon.
Only 3.8% of the population is black!
No wonder you don't have a clue, been doing some internet research on how to be a good little whiteboy?

Tell us all your experiences in the hood B-Dawg! LOL
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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beenthere said:
Just looked up the demographics of Oregon.
Only 3.8% of the population is black!
No wonder you don't have a clue, been doing some internet research on how to be a good little whiteboy?

Tell us all your experiences in the hood B-Dawg! LOL
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the angry white racist who claims to be some type of growing guru doesn't understand why people would make bubble hash :lol:

let's see some more pictures of your awesome grows featuring neon yellow twigs!
 
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