First Grow Journal - Jack Herer x 6
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Highlanders cave
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Ya know guys I'm thinking I jumped the gun. I had just subbed to peoples journal yesterday a few hours before chez came and to be honest I have no idea what had transpired before that so I am taking back what I said. I shouldn't be sticking my nose in other peeps biz and soz if I ruffled any feathers : !)Way to come in and just ruin a guys thread chedder. Peoples has himself a nice grow that he's documenting and it has good karma written all over it then you come in and take a shit right in the middle of it.
The right thing to do would be to apologize and move on.
Puff puff pass to the tokers subbed>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DOG
Just about to post a pic of one of the Whiteberry before they come down, check it out if you want mate.
does it really mattter how big a rootball is? ur both arguing over diffrent shit,.,chedz dont grow like you as he uses simple pots and coco while u obviously dont..so AND no matter how big the rootball is,,its all about the gentics,,u can have a rootball as big as a house but its stil gunna be shit if the genetics aint ther,,LIKE a lot of the uk clone only strains,,which u just dont have in the USA ands thats what chedz happens to grow and u CANT so kiss and make up coz he dont know ures and u dont know his,,, all about what ur happy and comfortable with doing,,,if u wanna waste feed and nutes on a 50gal tote have at it,,, try airpots mate half the size doble the yeild + less nutes needed
cheddar1985
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Yo hc apology accepted im by no means a dick and wantin to fuck up peeps journal but wen a lad comes into ya journal spoutin shit they know fuck all about u can see were i had to put it right ill help were i can wen i can im not selfish and far from the best grower goin it just happens mr peeps grows in the same system i do and he has big flaws in it ive seen your work and enjoy readin ya journal lad its just pissed me off that people jump the gun before actually readin and researchin more. I hope this can be dropped now take my advise which is right or leave as u are its no bother to me as i said before its obvious flowa has more time on his hands than i do and does nt know how to run in cocco hence the fillin the 50litres of cocco with a mass of roots with 4wks veg lmao anyway enough from me crack on in sure you ll learnin in the long run !!
Chedz
PUKKA BUD
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Im not sayin you wont fill the 50L pot with roots, no doubt after your veg time an all flower when you crack it open it will be packed with roots, and i agree more roots means bigger plant an more buds, but what im gettin at is you could get the same amount of roots an same size plants in a 10L Airpot, then instead of usin 9L(should take more for 50L to get propa run off but hey) of juice a day to water your pot you could use 3L an still yield the same or even better.
Thats the hole point of the airpots, everytime a root hits the wall of the pot its guided down the funnel shape to a hole where it gets air pruned sendin a signal to the plant to send another root out, so in a very short time you end up with thousands of new healthy roots filling the pot in no time, so you end up with a healthy huge root system in no time atall in 5 x as small pot as you would in a 50L standed pot. Yes you will have a lot of roots but will be the same few circled round the pot loads of time with airpots every root you see is a new fresh root.
They was designed to grow tree's in, usually trees would die once to a certain size in standed pots in airpot they can grow for years.
This is what a cuttin looks like after 10 days veg in a 1L airpot
Blue cheese, 4 week veg in 10L airpots, 1 yielded 5oz the other 6oz
[video=youtube;-NUjNBKex0I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NUjNBKex0I[/video]
Honestly get a 10L airpot there pretty cheap an compare on your next grow, to your 50L, ill put my money you do just as good or even better in them.
Thats the hole point of the airpots, everytime a root hits the wall of the pot its guided down the funnel shape to a hole where it gets air pruned sendin a signal to the plant to send another root out, so in a very short time you end up with thousands of new healthy roots filling the pot in no time, so you end up with a healthy huge root system in no time atall in 5 x as small pot as you would in a 50L standed pot. Yes you will have a lot of roots but will be the same few circled round the pot loads of time with airpots every root you see is a new fresh root.
They was designed to grow tree's in, usually trees would die once to a certain size in standed pots in airpot they can grow for years.
This is what a cuttin looks like after 10 days veg in a 1L airpot
Blue cheese, 4 week veg in 10L airpots, 1 yielded 5oz the other 6oz
[video=youtube;-NUjNBKex0I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NUjNBKex0I[/video]
Honestly get a 10L airpot there pretty cheap an compare on your next grow, to your 50L, ill put my money you do just as good or even better in them.
flowamasta
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lol, airpots...... i'm sorry guys, but they are a gimmick. yeah they give good oxygen ratio, but same roots in a smaller system!? get the fuk outta here. The roots want more oxygen and room for growth, they don't want to be restricted and reach a point where there is no where to go but in and around the pot creating a solid mass of roots which can lead to all sorts of issues. You think the guy that taught me has been doing it wrong for 25 years? with all the trial and error he has done i trust him 100% compared to you. You know what he says with airpots and coco!? HUH!!! LOL thats what. Air pruning roots. What a load of shit. The reason they grow trees in these is so it slows growth so they can be moved around to shop to shop and can be easily transplanted. The dude that thought of these airpots for hydro is all talk. You find me 1 system that grows even close to the same pace as mine, and gives even close the same yield, and i may..... just may think... hm thats interesting. But you won't. Fact is I wanted the fastest system to grow erb in, and i got it. I don't use coco as it's crap, inconsistent and almost always has bug issues. Not to mention doesn't compare to the cleanliness and ease of flushing that i get with Perlite.
Get Real Chedz. So what is it i'm supposed to learn to make my system better huh? Mr Marijuana. I monitor every day, there is not much else to do, i change the nutrients and bend branches here and there. Stop making it seem like i work so hard. That's stupid. I'm here so people can see my nearly perfect consistent system and easily copy not a problem. I won't even say how many are following my methods. But i wonder why............... 1.5lb , 1lb , 1.5lb , 1.5 lb..... 4 plants. All top shelf high grade cannabis.
Eat it. Give up. I hate to be the Know all here. But i actually know what i'm talking about. Stop misguiding people. If airpots were so god damn good the pros would be using them. Geeeeeeez. Airpot next to a larger pot with good oxygen/medium.... I've seen it. Bigger is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS better. Use more nutrients and shit..... Blah! That is a lame comment. The plant will take up what they need. Nothing is wasted in my system nitwit. Don't know how to run in coco. It's all the same dumbass. You think you need to be fuckin rocket scientist!!!
sorry mrpeoples, it is rather entertaining to read these narrow minded useless comments. I bet he spends 4 times the time in his growroom wondering why the hell he can't produce good numbers. Oh well, cats outta the bag now, my system is no longer a trade secret, and believe me it was until not long ago. The hydro companies don't want you to know my way as it saves nutrients, and costs next to nothing to run. simple or what!?
PUKKA BUD
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There good for soil or coco, if your in perlite why is chedz even discussing it with you? how do you water, is it a constants drip feed? cos if it is then fuck yeah you'l full the 50L pot with roots you'd full what ever size you put it in, dwc has mental roots, an that explains the roots comin outta the pot at the bottom, did you sit it in another pot?
All im sayin is a lot of these 25+ years growers know there shit but also arnt always open to new ways and usaully think they are always right, why diss the airpots have you tried them?, all peeps i no have loved them an have reduced the size of there pots by half an still get the same results or better, all are in soil or coco tho, not perlite so my advice was to mrpeoples as he's in coco an ive got experience in coco, with standed pots verse airpots and you can reduce the size of the pots that was my only point that he would get the same results in a pot half the size or smaller using coco, i seen you guys discussing pot size an thought id give my 2 pence to the discusion wernt tryin to say my ways best, just tryin to help not into bashin peeps in there threads.
Ive gone from usin 11L standed pots to 6L Airpots, my roots look a lot healthier when i chop and my plants are bigger, had the best yields so fare and there a lot smaller so can fit more pots in my small space.
Do a little research, the reason they grow trees in airpots is cos the tree can grow its hole life in 1 with no stump in growth an no dying of like what happens in huge standed pots after so long, a tree in a airpot grows as it it was planted in the straight in the dirt like in nature.
Also with coco in airpots your plants roots get loads of air thanks to the holes in them, only thing with them if usin coco is they dry very quick due to the excellent air flow threw the pot, so will have to water more often, but in coco this is good cos its kinda hydro, an waterin more often gets better yields.
All im sayin is a lot of these 25+ years growers know there shit but also arnt always open to new ways and usaully think they are always right, why diss the airpots have you tried them?, all peeps i no have loved them an have reduced the size of there pots by half an still get the same results or better, all are in soil or coco tho, not perlite so my advice was to mrpeoples as he's in coco an ive got experience in coco, with standed pots verse airpots and you can reduce the size of the pots that was my only point that he would get the same results in a pot half the size or smaller using coco, i seen you guys discussing pot size an thought id give my 2 pence to the discusion wernt tryin to say my ways best, just tryin to help not into bashin peeps in there threads.
Ive gone from usin 11L standed pots to 6L Airpots, my roots look a lot healthier when i chop and my plants are bigger, had the best yields so fare and there a lot smaller so can fit more pots in my small space.
Do a little research, the reason they grow trees in airpots is cos the tree can grow its hole life in 1 with no stump in growth an no dying of like what happens in huge standed pots after so long, a tree in a airpot grows as it it was planted in the straight in the dirt like in nature.
Also with coco in airpots your plants roots get loads of air thanks to the holes in them, only thing with them if usin coco is they dry very quick due to the excellent air flow threw the pot, so will have to water more often, but in coco this is good cos its kinda hydro, an waterin more often gets better yields.
PUKKA BUD
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Can i add ive always thought about tryin perlite or clay pebbles in a Airpot with a drip feed, i think the results would be wicked with the extra air flow gettin to the roots, you can get them upto 100 an odd ltrs but i reckon a 20L with perlite drip fed would work well.
Flowa how do you water your 50L pots? is it constant feed?.....i no you probly wont cos why fix something if its good but, you ever thought of tryin a airpot an runnin it in your system with the perlite id be interested to see how that goes.
Ive had a quick look through your thread tryin to see how you run things, you got any pics of your pot setup?
plants look good btw.
edit. just seen the 1st page some decent pics there, is that a homemade dwc unit?
Flowa how do you water your 50L pots? is it constant feed?.....i no you probly wont cos why fix something if its good but, you ever thought of tryin a airpot an runnin it in your system with the perlite id be interested to see how that goes.
Ive had a quick look through your thread tryin to see how you run things, you got any pics of your pot setup?
plants look good btw.
edit. just seen the 1st page some decent pics there, is that a homemade dwc unit?
cheddar1985
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Lmao inconsistant were in this journal is it inconsistant ?? Haha shit your proper fuckin funny i run cocco with no ph ppm ec metres and always av done i would nt know how to work with em haha1.5lb is 24 oz big fuckin deal if u took the time to read the journal i posted here you d find that cocco is quite simply the best system to run with imo and yh that is my opinion and im intitled to it !!
Why because it is consistant forgiving and if mistakes are made its easy to re correct
if u know how to use it if not then your gonna fuck it up infact id put pound to a penny that u av far more trouble in your system than i do so your mentor talks aload of gash fact!! Do u realise growin is easy its not fuckin hard and to hit 24oz well id do that in 8wks instead of your 11wks quite easily and yh in cocco smaller pots but more of em with less wasted time in tending to em lol your the 1 that makes out it fuckin hard wen it quite simply put is nt haha
The bigger the pot the longer the veg fact and thats in any system try argue with that !!
Peeps been using perlite for yrs and is not no big fuckin secret ya fool grow up your talkin some of the biggist gash goin and makin out your system can be compaired to cocco wen it actually cant ya dumb fuck i run 20+plant a time in cocco and it takes hour max to tend to em haha if u had 20+ in your system youd need the day not a fuckin hour haha
as for flushin lol u do know its a myth well u do now !! As ive said my numbers blow yrs outta the water no comparison wotso eva hit my like and you ll see haha
Why because it is consistant forgiving and if mistakes are made its easy to re correct
if u know how to use it if not then your gonna fuck it up infact id put pound to a penny that u av far more trouble in your system than i do so your mentor talks aload of gash fact!! Do u realise growin is easy its not fuckin hard and to hit 24oz well id do that in 8wks instead of your 11wks quite easily and yh in cocco smaller pots but more of em with less wasted time in tending to em lol your the 1 that makes out it fuckin hard wen it quite simply put is nt hahaThe bigger the pot the longer the veg fact and thats in any system try argue with that !!
Peeps been using perlite for yrs and is not no big fuckin secret ya fool grow up your talkin some of the biggist gash goin and makin out your system can be compaired to cocco wen it actually cant ya dumb fuck i run 20+plant a time in cocco and it takes hour max to tend to em haha if u had 20+ in your system youd need the day not a fuckin hour haha
as for flushin lol u do know its a myth well u do now !! As ive said my numbers blow yrs outta the water no comparison wotso eva hit my like and you ll see haha
cheddar1985
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Pukka read further back bro you ll find he is arguin with his self the fool ive said my piece job done let him make a fool of his self further haha cocco inconsistant lmfao u know thay is total gash there lad lol
PUKKA BUD
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Im not gettin into it chedz an aint arguing all i was tryin to get across is with coco you can get the same results with smaller airpots or smart pots an save your self shit loads in nutes, thats all i was sayin tryin to help really.
And if flowa thinks airpots an coco are crap then thats down to him, i no thousands will disagree, an some will think dwc is shit, just all peeps different views on stuff whats important is what works for you in your setup.
AverageEverydayPotGrower
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those things look sick, ill buy those for my next grow for sure!!! perfect for indoor growIm not sayin you wont fill the 50L pot with roots, no doubt after your veg time an all flower when you crack it open it will be packed with roots, and i agree more roots means bigger plant an more buds, but what im gettin at is you could get the same amount of roots an same size plants in a 10L Airpot, then instead of usin 9L(should take more for 50L to get propa run off but hey) of juice a day to water your pot you could use 3L an still yield the same or even better.
Thats the hole point of the airpots, everytime a root hits the wall of the pot its guided down the funnel shape to a hole where it gets air pruned sendin a signal to the plant to send another root out, so in a very short time you end up with thousands of new healthy roots filling the pot in no time, so you end up with a healthy huge root system in no time atall in 5 x as small pot as you would in a 50L standed pot. Yes you will have a lot of roots but will be the same few circled round the pot loads of time with airpots every root you see is a new fresh root.
They was designed to grow tree's in, usually trees would die once to a certain size in standed pots in airpot they can grow for years.
This is what a cuttin looks like after 10 days veg in a 1L airpot
Blue cheese, 4 week veg in 10L airpots, 1 yielded 5oz the other 6oz
[video=youtube;-NUjNBKex0I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NUjNBKex0I[/video]
Honestly get a 10L airpot there pretty cheap an compare on your next grow, to your 50L, ill put my money you do just as good or even better in them.
PUKKA BUD
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Id say get 1 an see how you like um mate, an go for half the size you would use for a normal standard pot you will do just as good or go for same size an i bet you do better lol
PUKKA BUD
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Can i say tho its funny as fuck seein you lot argue over fuck all, i mean come on lads chill the fuck out lol.......mrpeoples should have not come in your thread an been so blunt, maybe a "hello was wonderin if your a commercial grower then how come your plants look streched" lol then chedz could have gone "its a new strain im testin, my commercial strain(exo cheese) are trained an ready for a big yield" lol but in chedz language.
so was at fault there but then on the other hand chedz should of just said get fucked on his thread an not come over here givin you shit, tho you asked for it.
now other peeps are involved its just gettin daft an means peeps are fallin out for shit, fuck me if it was worth the argument then yeah id be game lol but its just over daft stuff.
so was at fault there but then on the other hand chedz should of just said get fucked on his thread an not come over here givin you shit, tho you asked for it.
now other peeps are involved its just gettin daft an means peeps are fallin out for shit, fuck me if it was worth the argument then yeah id be game lol but its just over daft stuff.
flowamasta
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Quite simply put my mentor was in the hydro business and has been all his life. Now do you think they would know what they are talking about? hmmmm, they get ALL the feedback after all. They test everything. We are only good to grow 1 here in Aus, so its pointless to grow more. and if i can harvest 1.5lb in 11 weeks, thats all i need. I rarely tend to her, she grows all by herself, what you think i gotta stroke her leaves all day? You saying (chedz) that flushings a myth? well i've tested the fact that it isn't. As salt build up rises the acidic nature does change throughout the grow, however perlite binds with salt less than coco. (being organic) Science.... See i can't get into anything else with you cause you just see me as a smart ass. Well i know what i do because i have been around this my whole life. I've seen nearly everything in action including aqua-ponic fish farms.
No i do not drip feed. I feed on an automatic feed system that flows 1500 litres per hour. It feeds every 3 hours in this climate for 15 minutes every session. This makes for a perfect water/oxygen ratio and helps keep salt build up to a minimum as the medium never dries out. In summer i will adjust feed to every 2 hours. I don't use ph, nor ppm meters except for when i use XL phos acid. which is only once during week 3 veg just before i top and clone. I veg for 28 days, no longer than 29. I grow inbetween inspections so perpetual is out of the question as with the laws attached.
Pointless to use a airpot in this system, i uses an inside pot in the other which houses a 50 litre pot sok, and hydroton layer on the bottom for the drainage.
If you need to know anything else check out the thread, i have a very detailed journal with another journal following my current (same strain)
I have mates who struggle to get 12-16 oz of some big plants because they choose not to use some of my methods like scrogging with topping, now i have them asking to grow for them. I'm happy to help most mates, but i grow for myself and mrs. Hippies to the core.
So when mrpeoples says whatever hes gettin in whatever system he uses, why try and argue that? If hes happy he's obviously using it for a reason, and if you were to come across entirely different instead of being a dick, he may have had a thought about it, and further looked into it. Good way to push someone away wouldn't you say?
Knock my system? It's as good as i can have it for now! until i find new research or tech, i will continue this way as my yields are plenty big enough for our needs. Like i said my system has gone through multiple variations before me and my mentor. This in a 6 plant system easily manageable 9lb upwards if stayed on top of and scrogged efficiently.
No i do not drip feed. I feed on an automatic feed system that flows 1500 litres per hour. It feeds every 3 hours in this climate for 15 minutes every session. This makes for a perfect water/oxygen ratio and helps keep salt build up to a minimum as the medium never dries out. In summer i will adjust feed to every 2 hours. I don't use ph, nor ppm meters except for when i use XL phos acid. which is only once during week 3 veg just before i top and clone. I veg for 28 days, no longer than 29. I grow inbetween inspections so perpetual is out of the question as with the laws attached.
Pointless to use a airpot in this system, i uses an inside pot in the other which houses a 50 litre pot sok, and hydroton layer on the bottom for the drainage.
If you need to know anything else check out the thread, i have a very detailed journal with another journal following my current (same strain)
I have mates who struggle to get 12-16 oz of some big plants because they choose not to use some of my methods like scrogging with topping, now i have them asking to grow for them. I'm happy to help most mates, but i grow for myself and mrs. Hippies to the core.
So when mrpeoples says whatever hes gettin in whatever system he uses, why try and argue that? If hes happy he's obviously using it for a reason, and if you were to come across entirely different instead of being a dick, he may have had a thought about it, and further looked into it. Good way to push someone away wouldn't you say?
Knock my system? It's as good as i can have it for now! until i find new research or tech, i will continue this way as my yields are plenty big enough for our needs. Like i said my system has gone through multiple variations before me and my mentor. This in a 6 plant system easily manageable 9lb upwards if stayed on top of and scrogged efficiently.
PUKKA BUD
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G13 haze in a standard 11L pot......yield just over 9oz
No got no pics of plants with that long veg in airpots cos dont need to veg that long now i use um, can throw some pics up of a slh with a 9day veg in a 6ltr airpot that yielded 4oz with huge buds, to show you what they can do?
the hole point is mate im not sayin you will get bigger plants you can grow them just as big with no probs in a smaller pot thats it so will save nutes. I know you aint fussed so aint gunna bang on about it but just give them a thought 1 day they work great with coco, thats why i suggested them.
An yeah your plants look big mate but i wont put that all down to your 50L pot more like all that light for 2 plants thats pullin the yield.
Edit. the g13 had 5 week veg