Why Not Miracle Grow ??
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eDude
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It's not poison. It's probably grown most of the weed the old farts smoked when they were kids.
But, there is a stigma with it.. Some people that use it might not be great growers or new growers, so their product is not that great and they and their friends blame the nutes. Or they used some bag seed that got all funky on them.. blame the nutes. People want to sound like experts and for some reason they think that talking shit about a product is being an expert.. lol Some people are hippy types that don't want to support a big chemical company and would rather support products made by stoners for stoners or at least down with the cause.
You can do worse.. but you can do better too.
But, there is a stigma with it.. Some people that use it might not be great growers or new growers, so their product is not that great and they and their friends blame the nutes. Or they used some bag seed that got all funky on them.. blame the nutes. People want to sound like experts and for some reason they think that talking shit about a product is being an expert.. lol Some people are hippy types that don't want to support a big chemical company and would rather support products made by stoners for stoners or at least down with the cause.
You can do worse.. but you can do better too.
Grown n Oregon
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times change and things evolve and get better, like nutes. simple answer...MG sucks ass!
squarepush3r
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Mg is missing calcium, magnesium, trace elements and sulfur I believe. Other than that its an OK nutrient for soil only, it cannot be used in any hydroponic application.
1sttimeguy
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I personally think that the "blame the nutes" statement is probably most accurate. MG is a balance fert that does contain Mg,Ca, Zn, Fe, and other micros. I'm personally not sold on the cannabis specific nutes myself. Read the plant then feed the plant...
It works for the rest of my garden why not my mj?
Mind you, what do I know.
It works for the rest of my garden why not my mj?
Mind you, what do I know.
squarepush3r
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no magnesium or calcium, also the ratio is based very roughly on a cannabis vegging profile. Flowering it wouldn't fit very well.
cc08150
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Go get a miraclegro grown bud tested at a lab for analysis of elemental heavy metals and leftover fertilizer salts and then compare that with an organic grown bud and you will see what the difference is....pretty sure High Times or similar magazine did an article on why not to use miraclegro for medical marijuana growing. BIG time no no if you are growing medical marijuana for a dispensary or patient and many of the really good dispensaries test for this to ensure the BEST pot possible for the patient. MG has levels of arsenic, cobalt, mercury, lead....Cannabis takes up heavy metals and stores them in leaves and buds.
.....Just a side note for those interested or that did not know, Hemp was planted near the area of the nuclear reaction disaster of Chernobyl to slowly leach the ground of radioactive heavy metals....So put that in your pipe and smoke it US government....Cannabis is good for something other than just getting us high
.....Just a side note for those interested or that did not know, Hemp was planted near the area of the nuclear reaction disaster of Chernobyl to slowly leach the ground of radioactive heavy metals....So put that in your pipe and smoke it US government....Cannabis is good for something other than just getting us high
Vindicated
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Miracle Gro fertilizer includes a product called MicroMax that contains the essential micro-nutrients. It's owned by Scotts (the same people that own Miracle Gro). It releases over a year, where as their macro-nutrients release in 3-6 months. MG is very balanced and effective for a synthetic fertilizer.
Rose, tulip, and vegetable growers routinely win awards using MG's products. Also, it's important to keep in mind that virtually every MG user is going to be watering with city tap or rain water. I don't know any professional gardeners or farmers who use RO water other then cannabis growers.
As for nutrient profiles. No one has proven which nutrient ratio is ideal. Many people swear by 3-3-3, others swear by 1-2-3, or 1-3-3, and some like 1-3-2 for flowering. Truth is, they all work.
Rose, tulip, and vegetable growers routinely win awards using MG's products. Also, it's important to keep in mind that virtually every MG user is going to be watering with city tap or rain water. I don't know any professional gardeners or farmers who use RO water other then cannabis growers.
As for nutrient profiles. No one has proven which nutrient ratio is ideal. Many people swear by 3-3-3, others swear by 1-2-3, or 1-3-3, and some like 1-3-2 for flowering. Truth is, they all work.
bamacheese
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Non-organic nutrients are no bueno!!! Leave the chemicals out!
imchucky666
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Hey.
I am doing my first grow, and really when I started didn't think I would make it this far, it was more of an experiment, so I didn't want to spend any more money than necessary on goodies/supplies.
I had M/G all purp. soil, and all purp. ferts, and that's all I had been using until about 3 weeks ago when I started giving one epsom in a foliar spray, and some eggshells for calcium for a couple days....
Then, this past weekend I went out and picked up some 0-15-11 ferts.
I know for almost 7 weeks into flower, they are kinda scraggly and small, but I had absolutely NO knowledge of what I was doing until they were a month old and I started reading here, and they have had almost 2 weeks of overcast and rain.
Hell, they were germinated under a 4' tube 4' high from them on a 6/18 schedule LOL, stayed like that for a month, then went outside.
To me, I have no complaints about M/G, they just do not have specialized ferts like the 0-15-11 for what we want, but I just went to Lowe's and found some cheap Burpee stuff for veggies instead of ordering online.
P.S. just because the plants are huge, doesn't mean they will produce huge.
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dannyboy602
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mg is a good fertilizer if your outdoors. mag isn't usually deficient outdoors. inside and sometimes out you need dolo lime which has both cal and mag. there's also trace minerals you can get with azomite. about 70 different ones. it's more of a miracle fertilizer than miracle grow. and you can use it indoors and out. amazon or ebay.
thehole
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I think for the most part MG is blasted because the main company Scotts is a repeat criminal and civil violator of environmental laws. And the fact they are such a large corporation who attempted but failed to maintain a large part of the marijuana soil market. Something that may be changing being Scotts will soon be releasing multiple soil lines directly marketed for growing marijuana.
I know a guy who uses it and he grows some amazing weed, but I would never touch the stuff.
I know a guy who uses it and he grows some amazing weed, but I would never touch the stuff.
george xxx
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Good GP food. Just not new or popular. If you are not tyring to out spend or out grow the next guy you are often considered an idiot who should not be growing.
HotShot7414
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I use MG POTTING MIX and it works well for me,I tried other MG soils and they were crap compared to the potting mix.The only downside to it is that it has nutes in it already and feeds up to 6 months But those small amounts shouldn't effect the flushing process at all.As far a MG ferts i stay away from em completely.btw I don't have to add any veg nutes they stay a lush green and has great growth.
Vindicated
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I like synthetic fertilizers for containers and organics for when your planting in the ground. When your growing indoors under artificial lighting like HPS, I think hydroponic solutions have a pretty good advantage. It all depends on what your doing and what your expecting from your nutrients.
Before you pick a fertilizer, be it Miracle Grow, Advanced Nutrients, or any other brand, first ask yourself how you will be growing and what do you need the product to do.
In a hydroponic setup, your probably going to want something that runs clean and is stable. Here paying a premium for a hydroponic nutrient like Dynagro or General Hydroponics is going to be worth it.
When your outside tiling a plot, you probably want something that will repair the damage done by tiling, plus want something that will release slowly over time, without leaching into the ground water or past your root zone every time the rains come. This is where organics with beneficial microorganisms have the biggest benefit. It's cheaper on large lands and you don't need to be constantly applying it on a weekly schedule like hydroponic solutions.
Containers are kind of in between hydro and outdoors. You don't really need something as clean as hydro, but you don't have the large quantities of microorganisms to break down thicker organic matter either. In this case you can save a lot of money and get better results using synthetic fertilizers that offer a controlled release of the nutrients (largely to minimize burn), but it can not be so slow that you require heavy rains or living organisms to make nutrients available.
Before you pick a fertilizer, be it Miracle Grow, Advanced Nutrients, or any other brand, first ask yourself how you will be growing and what do you need the product to do.
In a hydroponic setup, your probably going to want something that runs clean and is stable. Here paying a premium for a hydroponic nutrient like Dynagro or General Hydroponics is going to be worth it.
When your outside tiling a plot, you probably want something that will repair the damage done by tiling, plus want something that will release slowly over time, without leaching into the ground water or past your root zone every time the rains come. This is where organics with beneficial microorganisms have the biggest benefit. It's cheaper on large lands and you don't need to be constantly applying it on a weekly schedule like hydroponic solutions.
Containers are kind of in between hydro and outdoors. You don't really need something as clean as hydro, but you don't have the large quantities of microorganisms to break down thicker organic matter either. In this case you can save a lot of money and get better results using synthetic fertilizers that offer a controlled release of the nutrients (largely to minimize burn), but it can not be so slow that you require heavy rains or living organisms to make nutrients available.
chusett
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exactly.. other than that MG is ok. I use it for my bonsai mums.. which i want to barely keep alive.. and i nute them before i take cuttings. If you were growing in soil and looking to have good yields though.. i think one wouldn't use MG. Its not about shitting on it.. theres just better products
1sttimeguy
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Firstly, using High Times IMO is a biased source. They are driven by advertising dollars and by publishing an article that stated "MG is just fine for your cannabis" is clearly not in the best interest of a magazine depentent on cannabis specific sponsorships...
Secondly, independant research published in this article of the seattle times states the opposite of what you are saying;
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20000326&slug=4011973
For those who don't want to read the article...
"Alaska Fish Fertilizer products, widely sold in organic food stores, were a little over background level in arsenic and mercury, as you might expect from fish, but still well within the state standards.
A company called Down to Earth Distributors Inc. had mixed results with cadmium, mercury and lead. Blood Meal, Earth Feather Meal, Cottonseed Meal, Bio-Turf and Rhododendron Azalea Mix were cleaner than Vegan Mix, Aged Bat Guano, Seabird Guano and All-Purpose Vegetable 4-6-2, which were slightly above soil background level in two toxic metals.
Products from The Scotts Co., the largest fertilizer distributor to America's hardware and garden stores, were very clean overall. Scotts submitted 163 test reports to the state; 84 were below the soil background level in all five toxic chemicals.
Scotts' Miracle-Gro was exceptionally low in contaminants. Nine of the 10 Miracle Gro products tested would have passed the strictest test proposed by environmentalists - a test opposed by Scotts, whose lobbyist argued there was no proof of harm from higher levels of toxic metals."
no magnesium or calcium, also the ratio is based very roughly on a cannabis vegging profile. Flowering it wouldn't fit very well.
Looks like there is a 0.5% Mg content to me...
Additionally, plants typically take up what they require out of the soil. Unless there is an excess of other nutrients or pH issue that block certain things from being draw out.
I was wrong Ca is not listed however, as stated on the package "is to be used as part of a complete system". Personally I use bone meal when transplanting anything, that adds plenty of Ca to the mix IMO.
I've had a veggie garden for years and never had a problem.
Again, this is my first mj grow so what do I know...
Mr.Marijuana420
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he posted the old ass box of MG, from when it was new on the market
jestermite
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Veg is fine. I'd add that you really want to be careful with it in flower. It can fry your plants and will leave a terrible taste. Don't use it late and don't use it heavy. Do flush heavy. Nitrogen toxicity is a term you should be familiar with. This from experience.