Confederate Flag Wavers = Traitors

[althor]

Do you imagine that those laws would have stayed intact, had the Confederacy successfully seceded? The Civil War concealed the fact from all but the most superficial students of history that American-pattern slavery was a dying institution. Even had the Confederacy gone independent, it would have had its own history of emancipation in lockstep with mechanization. And there would not be a blame-the-Yankees culture that built an inappropriate sense of tradition around persistent racism. Jmo. cn

Absolutely, slaves were actually becoming less profitable to plantation owners with the invention of the cotton gin, followed by other mechanizations. The northern factories were using immigrant labor far worse. The work conditions were beyond terrible and the pay was a mere pittance. The south was already beginning the idea of freeing slaves, then paying them to work the fields. Following the northern model they would no longer be responsible for clothing, housing, and feeding and would be paying less than what a person could pay for those items themselves. The number of immigrants coming into the north forced people to work in those conditions.

 

[ChesusRice]

I am most certainly from the South. Moved to Pennsylvania at the age of 4, moved back to the South at the age of 32 and have lived here ever since. I have never owned a confederate flag and can honestly say I will never own a confederate flag. But I do know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the few people I do know who have or wave a confederate flag has nothing to do with anything political. They are fans of a school called the University of Mississippi aka Ole Miss Rebels. The racial overtones people want to add to it may have been true 40+ years ago, but the south is very sensitive to racial issues. Especially considering any wrongly phrased sentence can, and usually does, get turned into a racial issue in the south.

I would really like to know why you would think slavery was the determining factor of the civil war. Almost any expert of the civil war says that if slaves didnt exist that a civil war would have likely happened, slavery hastened the civil war.

The tariff was very important to the south. Most of the products used in the south at the time came from Europe at lower prices than the products coming from the north. Thats a fact, feel free to look it up. The North saw Europe as competition and the northern congress began passing laws (tariffs) to force the south to purchase the products from the north. Also, there was still the underlying factor that most of the "southern states" supported England in the Revolutionary War and continued trading with England to the disadvantage of the northern industries. I can go on all day long about the underlying issues bubbling to the surface about slavery.
Slavery didnt become an agenda with the Civil War until well after the beginning and the north used it mostly to keep foreign nations from becoming involved. Lincoln owned slaves, Lincoln himself said the south could keep slaves. If Lincoln had said, free your slaves, and war broke out I could understand your argument. He didnt, he said you can keep your slaves. A civil war broke out anyway. Yes slaves were a factor, the north received support from anti-slavery factions, but that was small. Keep in mind, the first state with slaves was in the North, and the last state to free slaves was in the north.

This one is dated sooner than 40 years ago

 

[cannabineer]

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That proves the existence of fools, but not their prevalence. cn

 

[UncleBuck]

the south is very sensitive to racial issues

absolutely true. i mean, the south is so sensitive to racial issues, that they try to deny marriage licenses to interracial couples. now THAT is sensitivity!

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/16/interracial-couple-in-louisiana-denied-marriage-license/

and if refusing to marry interracial people wasn't enough to prove how sensitive the south is to racial issues, well, refusing to marry a black couple should make the sensitivity case all the stronger.

http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/church-refuses-to-marry-black-couple-in-mississippi.230877/

what says "racial sensitivity" better than inviting whites only to your conference?

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/07/03/southern-pastor-invites-whites-only-to-conference/

i'm surprised he got the spelling correct.

all this on a 1 minute google search.

yes, the south is VERY sensitive to racial issues.

LOL!

 

[althor]

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Oh, lets pretend like there are not extremists everywhere. Even in CANADA like has already been posted. That isnt indicative of all of Canada, nor is that of the south. Thanks for trying.

 

[ChesusRice]

[h=1]Church refuses to marry black couple in Mississippi[/h]By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 2:39 PM EDT, Mon July 30, 2012

 

[ChesusRice]

LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) – When Stella Harville brought her black boyfriend to her family's all-white church in rural Kentucky, she thought nothing of it. She and Ticha Chikuni worshipped there whenever they were in town, and he even sang before the congregation during one service.
Then in August, a member of Gulnare Free Will Baptist Church told Harville's
father that Chikuni couldn't sing there anymore. And last Sunday, in a moment
that seems from another time, church members voted 9-6 to bar mixed-race couples
from joining the congregation
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2011-12-03/church-interracial-ban/51607194/1

 

[ChesusRice]

Friday, Jul 27, 2012 09:34 AM CDT[h=1] Fla. Republican: We wanted to suppress black votes [/h][h=2]Florida's disgraced former GOP chairman says the party had meetings about "keeping blacks from voting"[/h]By Alex Seitz-Wald

 

[dtp5150]

Church refuses to marry black couple in Mississippi

By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 2:39 PM EDT, Mon July 30, 2012

even tho marriage is retarded, its disgusting stuff like this is still happening.

 

[althor]

Church refuses to marry black couple in Mississippi

By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 2:39 PM EDT, Mon July 30, 2012

Yeah, that was all over the news in my area. Go through the reaction of it. The congregation threatened the preachers job, so he took the couple down the street and married them. Since then they have been hit with all kind of backfire. Once again I am not saying it doesnt happen, but when it does, there are consequences. That church is shunned by the community now.

 

[ChesusRice]

In the debate over new laws meant to curb voter fraud in places like Florida, Democrats always charge that Republicans are trying to suppress the vote of liberal voting blocs like blacks and young people, while Republicans just laugh at such ludicrous and offensive accusations. That is, every Republican except for Florida’s former Republican Party chairman Jim Greer, who, scorned by his party and in deep legal trouble, blew the lid off what he claims was a systemic effort to suppress the black vote. In a 630-page deposition recorded over two days in late May, Greer, who is on trial for corruption charges, unloaded a litany of charges against the “whack-a-do, right-wing crazies” in his party, including the effort to suppress the black vote.
In the deposition, released to the press yesterday, Greer mentioned a December 2009 meeting with party officials. “I was upset because the political consultants and staff were talking about voter suppression and keeping blacks from voting,” he said, according to the Tampa Bay Times. He also said party officials discussed how “minority outreach programs were not fit for the Republican Party,” according to the AP.

 

[UncleBuck]

i can understand why AZ went redder in 2008 than in 2004, since the GOP candidate was from that state.

what i can't understand is why every conservative stronghold like utah and south dakota went more blue, yet wide swaths of the south went WAYYYYYYY redder.

anyone care to explain that to me without invoking the complexion of the democratic candidate in 2008?

 

[ChesusRice]

i can understand why AZ went redder in 2008 than in 2004, since the GOP candidate was from that state.

what i can't understand is why every conservative stronghold like utah and south dakota went more blue, yet wide swaths of the south went WAYYYYYYY redder.

anyone care to explain that to me without invoking the complexion of the democratic candidate in 2008?

Why do 60 million Americans say Obama is a “Muslim?” – Because they can’t call him “Nigger”
http://madmikesamerica.com/2010/09/why-do-60-million-americans-say-obama-is-a-muslim-because-they-cant-call-him-nigger/

 

[UncleBuck]

Yeah, that was all over the news in my area. Go through the reaction of it. The congregation threatened the preachers job, so he took the couple down the street and married them. Since then they have been hit with all kind of backfire. Once again I am not saying it doesnt happen, but when it does, there are consequences. That church is shunned by the community now.

he finally married them after it became a national news story?

that just oozes racial sensitivity, exactly the type of racial sensitivity that the south is well known for

 

[cannabineer]

i can understand why AZ went redder in 2008 than in 2004, since the GOP candidate was from that state.

what i can't understand is why every conservative stronghold like utah and south dakota went more blue, yet wide swaths of the south went WAYYYYYYY redder.

anyone care to explain that to me without invoking the complexion of the democratic candidate in 2008?

What I find interesting about this map is that the traditional stronghold for questions of complexion ... the old plantation South ... is largely blue.

Maybe the red maps onto tobacco-growing country ... cn

<edit> no; that's not it either. Some serious tobacco in the Piedmont of MD, VA, CT etc.

 

[ChesusRice]

By Michael Allen, Thu, July 05, 2012In Guin, Alabama, a group of pastors claim they are not racist even though only &#8220;white Christians&#8221; are invited to their three-day conference this week, which will include a cross burning (video below).
Residents noticed flyers posted around the town that read: &#8220;Annual Pastors Conference All White Christians Invited.&#8221;
Christian Identity Ministries and the Church of God&#8217;s Chosen told WIAT-TV that they just didn&#8217;t have the &#8220;facilities&#8221; to accommodate non-whites.
Christian Identity Ministries Pastor William J. Collier said: &#8220;We&#8217;re seldom ever have been invited to black Muslim events and we never have been invited to NAACP events and we never have been invited to join Jewish synagogues events and stuff.&#8221;
&#8220;It has nothing whatsoever to do with any kind of racism or hate or anything like that. And anybody who would brand it as that would be a racist and a hater themselves, you know.&#8221;
[video=youtube;mqTdgh2bi7I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqTdgh2bi7I[/video]

 

[UncleBuck]

i'm so stupid someone please explain to me why certain southern states can't change their voting laws until the fed gov says they can? why does the fed gov hate these southern states just because they want to keep black people from voting? it makes no sense.

 

[UncleBuck]

What I find interesting about this map is that the traditional stronghold for questions of complexion ... the old plantation South ... is largely blue.

Maybe the red maps onto tobacco-growing country ... cn

<edit> no; that's not it either. Some serious tobacco in the Piedmont of MD, VA, CT etc.

for some odd reasons, the only sections of florida that went redder are the counties that newt did well in this primary season after using every race bait in the book.

very odd. i'm sure althor will be along shortly to explain the innocence and racial sensitivity behind it all.

 

[ChesusRice]

i'm so stupid someone please explain to me why certain southern states can't change their voting laws until the fed gov says they can? why does the fed gov hate these southern states just because they want to keep black people from voting? it makes no sense.

In the debate over new laws meant to curb voter fraud in places like Florida, Democrats always charge that Republicans are trying to suppress the vote of liberal voting blocs like blacks and young people, while Republicans just laugh at such ludicrous and offensive accusations. That is, every Republican except for Florida’s former Republican Party chairman Jim Greer, who, scorned by his party and in deep legal trouble, blew the lid off what he claims was a systemic effort to suppress the black vote. In a 630-page deposition recorded over two days in late May, Greer, who is on trial for corruption charges, unloaded a litany of charges against the “whack-a-do, right-wing crazies” in his party, including the effort to suppress the black vote.
In the deposition, released to the press yesterday, Greer mentioned a December 2009 meeting with party officials. “I was upset because the political consultants and staff were talking about voter suppression and keeping blacks from voting,” he said, according to the Tampa Bay Times. He also said party officials discussed how “minority outreach programs were not fit for the Republican Party,” according to the AP.

Any Questions about Voter ID laws?

 

[boneheadbob]