Confederate Flag Wavers = Traitors
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dtp5150
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In my life, the slavery thing is kind of a big deal
and it has been said earlier people wave the flag for racist notions.
Were you a slave? Were your parents slave? Grandparents? Anyone you have ever known? No, so how is slavery a big deal to you in your life?
budlover13
King Tut
budlover13
King Tut
They aren't false and i made it very clear that it is my edit of your quote to more accurately portray what was said.
To those, do you not think its possible that those non-slavery issues are just as important to them?
You want to paintbrush everyone with one big broad stroke and you are wrong on this.
UncleBuck
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another one of these "it wasn't about slavery" apologists.
it was about slavery. you think they went to war over tariffs? LOL!
or was it about your "way of life", which was predicated upon slavery?
because we all know the south wasn't fighting for "state rights". they were the biggest federal power grabbers in the land at the time, not the fugitive slave act.
there's a reason why the south is still a national joke. funny how the south still wants to hold onto this silly sense of superiority they once touted over an entire race of people.
That is sad to hear, did you protest Canada?
Maybe if they had gone through what the south has gone through they would be much more sensitive to racial issues.
You do realize the largest black populations are in the south? Places like Atlanta and Memphis are predominantly black. So when you toss out the south as your example you are really showing a very limited view of what you know about the south.
Moses Mobetta
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These types of experiences are ones I have had myself, just not in Canada. They can make a person feel hate and perpetuate a vicious cycle of rascism and hatred. Fear is at the center, anything different or unfamiliar causes fear in those who do not understand that it's those differences that make for a challenging, interesting, and educational life experiences. Doesn't mean they are all pleasant and it doesn't mean every one with a confederate flag is a rascist.
You really do think you are an expert on everything huh?
Well you need to check into facts. And not just those that fit your angle.
Slavery did play into the civil war, but by no means was the determining factor. You can revise history all you want, wont change the truth at all.
dtp5150
Well-Known Member
you are really trying to say slavery did not play a significant factor in the civil war? lol...who is trying to revise history?
Actually I stated slavery did play a role in the civil war, but by no means was the only factor. Shit man you even quoted it.
dtp5150
Well-Known Member
confederacy denied states rights to free slaves. you couldnt be in the confederacy without the state supporting forever the enslavement of fellow citizens, and the view that some people are worthy of more rights than other people.
I'd say that was a significant factor.
I'd say that was a significant factor.
Moses Mobetta
Well-Known Member
The Emancipation Proclamation is an executive order issued by United States President Abraham Lincoln on January 1, 1863, during the American Civil War using his war powers. It was not a law passed by Congress. It proclaimed the freedom of slaves in the ten states then in rebellion, thus applying to 3.1 million of the 4 million slaves in the U.S. at that time. The Proclamation immediately freed 50,000 slaves, with nearly all the rest (of the 3.1 million) freed as Union armies advanced. The Proclamation did not compensate the owners, did not itself outlaw slavery, and did not make the ex-slaves (called freedmen) citizens.[SUP][1][/SUP]
On September 22, 1862, Lincoln issued a preliminary proclamation that he would order the emancipation of all slaves in any state of the Confederate States of America that did not return to Union control by January 1, 1863. None returned, and the order, signed and issued January 1, 1863, took effect except in locations where the Union had already mostly regained control. The Proclamation made abolition a central goal of the war (in addition to reunion), outraged white Southerners who envisioned a race war, angered some Northern Democrats, energized anti-slavery forces, and weakened forces in Europe that wanted to intervene to help the Confederacy.[SUP][2][/SUP]
On September 22, 1862, Lincoln issued a preliminary proclamation that he would order the emancipation of all slaves in any state of the Confederate States of America that did not return to Union control by January 1, 1863. None returned, and the order, signed and issued January 1, 1863, took effect except in locations where the Union had already mostly regained control. The Proclamation made abolition a central goal of the war (in addition to reunion), outraged white Southerners who envisioned a race war, angered some Northern Democrats, energized anti-slavery forces, and weakened forces in Europe that wanted to intervene to help the Confederacy.[SUP][2][/SUP]
UncleBuck
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no, i am just enjoying pointing out how flimsy and weak your arguments are this afternoon.
you need to check into facts, andnot just those that fit your angle.
slavery did play into the civil war, and was the determining factor. you can revise history all you want, wont change the truth at all.
^^^see how easy it is for me to make empty assertions and declare them as "truth"? that is your style.i copied it basically verbatim. see how fucking stupid and arrogant that is?
tell me, are you from the south? the arrogance and cocksuredness screams "victim of a southern education".
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Do you imagine that those laws would have stayed intact, had the Confederacy successfully seceded? The Civil War concealed the fact from all but the most superficial students of history that American-pattern slavery was a dying institution. Even had the Confederacy gone independent, it would have had its own history of emancipation in lockstep with mechanization. And there would not be a blame-the-Yankees culture that built an inappropriate sense of tradition around persistent racism. Jmo. cn
I am most certainly from the South. Moved to Pennsylvania at the age of 4, moved back to the South at the age of 32 and have lived here ever since. I have never owned a confederate flag and can honestly say I will never own a confederate flag. But I do know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the few people I do know who have or wave a confederate flag has nothing to do with anything political. They are fans of a school called the University of Mississippi aka Ole Miss Rebels. The racial overtones people want to add to it may have been true 40+ years ago, but the south is very sensitive to racial issues. Especially considering any wrongly phrased sentence can, and usually does, get turned into a racial issue in the south.
I would really like to know why you would think slavery was the determining factor of the civil war. Almost any expert of the civil war says that if slaves didnt exist that a civil war would have likely happened, slavery hastened the civil war.
The tariff was very important to the south. Most of the products used in the south at the time came from Europe at lower prices than the products coming from the north. Thats a fact, feel free to look it up. The North saw Europe as competition and the northern congress began passing laws (tariffs) to force the south to purchase the products from the north. Also, there was still the underlying factor that most of the "southern states" supported England in the Revolutionary War and continued trading with England to the disadvantage of the northern industries. I can go on all day long about the underlying issues bubbling to the surface about slavery.
Slavery didnt become an agenda with the Civil War until well after the beginning and the north used it mostly to keep foreign nations from becoming involved. Lincoln owned slaves, Lincoln himself said the south could keep slaves. If Lincoln had said, free your slaves, and war broke out I could understand your argument. He didnt, he said you can keep your slaves. A civil war broke out anyway. Yes slaves were a factor, the north received support from anti-slavery factions, but that was small. Keep in mind, the first state with slaves was in the North, and the last state to free slaves was in the north.
I would really like to know why you would think slavery was the determining factor of the civil war. Almost any expert of the civil war says that if slaves didnt exist that a civil war would have likely happened, slavery hastened the civil war.
The tariff was very important to the south. Most of the products used in the south at the time came from Europe at lower prices than the products coming from the north. Thats a fact, feel free to look it up. The North saw Europe as competition and the northern congress began passing laws (tariffs) to force the south to purchase the products from the north. Also, there was still the underlying factor that most of the "southern states" supported England in the Revolutionary War and continued trading with England to the disadvantage of the northern industries. I can go on all day long about the underlying issues bubbling to the surface about slavery.
Slavery didnt become an agenda with the Civil War until well after the beginning and the north used it mostly to keep foreign nations from becoming involved. Lincoln owned slaves, Lincoln himself said the south could keep slaves. If Lincoln had said, free your slaves, and war broke out I could understand your argument. He didnt, he said you can keep your slaves. A civil war broke out anyway. Yes slaves were a factor, the north received support from anti-slavery factions, but that was small. Keep in mind, the first state with slaves was in the North, and the last state to free slaves was in the north.
