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The Religio-Industrial Complex

Padawanbater2

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Watch 5 minutes of this and you will be hooked. This guy explains in detail how religious institutions take advantage of tax breaks and the American people and how big the picture actually is.

I'd love to hear a theists perspective/opinion on this
 

olylifter420

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Fuck those pieces of shit


I dont like shit like that period. Frauding the people out of their hard earned money is fucked up. But there will always be sheeple to believe these lies
 

Chief Walkin Eagle

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Oh man... Shits fucked up... I added a crazy christian lady on facebook once not knowing she was a crazy christian lady. I keep her as a friend so I can look at her posts and laugh from time to time... She LOVES posting Joyce Meyer quotes... This is going on her wall lol.
 

tyler.durden

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Great video, Pad. I did get hooked. If we can't stop this phenomenon, maybe we should start a church and get preacher/minister licenses to live tax free. 'The Universal Church of Cosmic Uncertainty', and we can say a few tongue-in-cheek prayers to FSM or the like. Below the church we could grow lots of weed (or construct a HUGE meth lab), would anyone have the right to investigate?
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Great video, Pad. I did get hooked. If we can't stop this phenomenon, maybe we should start a church and get preacher/minister licenses to live tax free. 'The Universal Church of Cosmic Uncertainty', and we can say a few tongue-in-cheek prayers to FSM or the like. Below the church we could grow lots of weed (or construct a HUGE meth lab), would anyone have the right to investigate?
The Free Universal Church of Uncertainty. Send your checks to FUC-U. cn
 

eye exaggerate

Well-Known Member
...if I showed a video on militant atheism in the soviet union would it appeal to you? Man, these kinds of 'christians' are not the majority. I have proof too - check the congregation members' bank accounts :lol:
 

Padawanbater2

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...if I showed a video on militant atheism in the soviet union would it appeal to you? Man, these kinds of 'christians' are not the majority. I have proof too - check the congregation members' bank accounts :lol:
That's irrelevant. There are enough of these kinds of Christians to cause a problem for everybody else. Not to mention any amount of advanced ignorance on such levels must be stopped. We hire police to protect us (they do a shitty job, but that's also irrelevant), why aren't there people or laws to protect ignorant people for falling for stuff like this?
 

Heisenberg

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Isn't the problem a false sense of entitlement stemming from an ideology? I notice the Amish around here have no problem using the roads, yet do not want to contribute at all to paying for them. And no one thinks they should...why? Because they believe something that they can not support or demonstrate to us. I respect their right to believe what they want, but why should it mean so much to a society as to donate resources? How does believing in something which requires faith entitle anyone to anything but that faith?

My mother is a Christian and, like most, she would never consider cheating the tax code and stacking the deck. Yet, she has no problem with the difference between her tax burden and the churches. While it may be true that most Christians would not lie or cheat, it's also true that most of American society, Christian or not, is fine with the tax break. Strangely they are also fine with the church having political influence, which suggests they are not concerned with separation of church and state. So, the illusion of entitlement isnt restricted to only those who follow the ideology. The church has managed to take the political notion of separation and turn it into a religious privilege. They have put themselves into a position where it is not only OK to make laws which effectively force ideological principals onto others, but also OK to avoid laws which apply to others. Religion was intended to have no political position, and managed to gain the ultimate political position. Play without pay.

The problem with militant atheists is fascism which arises outside of the ideology. There is nothing about being unconvinced of God which requires evangelism. There are no atheistic principals to force onto others, no atheist laws that exist beyond the need to keep religion in check. Atheism is without content.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
That's irrelevant. There are enough of these kinds of Christians to cause a problem for everybody else. Not to mention any amount of advanced ignorance on such levels must be stopped. We hire police to protect us (they do a shitty job, but that's also irrelevant), why aren't there people or laws to protect ignorant people for falling for stuff like this?
Dissenting opinion on a particular. We do not hire police to protect us. We have police to discourage crime by investigating crimes that happened and apprehending any suspects.
Protecting ourselves is left to ... ourselves, and I don't look kindly upon legislation that subverts that right.
I worry that this misunderstanding of the role of police underlies a great deal of political trust in government to make life safe for us. cn
 

Doer

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Sex leads to War leads to Religion leads to Politics leads to Power leads to Sex

A finely balanced, self correcting circle of Life, and very, very stable, says I. As old as the oldest profession. The first fight over that becomes the oldest past time of men. Then, the first appeal for help from a higher power is the first edge to win. Winning requires organization. Organization wields power. Something like this, right?

"...you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women." Tony Montana, in Scarface

Seems pretty simple, I guess. However, the advice to seek self knowledge always gets plowed under, somehow. Lost in the noise.
 

Padawanbater2

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...what does the 'prosperity gospel' have to do with me?? Same sht.
It isn't though. There are things between Christians in Christianity that hold true no matter where the person is from, like that Jesus is the son of God, he gave his life as a sacrifice for all mankind, etc.. The one and only thing common among atheists is they don't believe in a god. So the comparison of militant atheism in the Soviet Union doesn't hold water.

And, to be clear, it IS in fact Christianity, not only fanatical Christians themselves, that are a big problem. Christianity itself is immoral, as are most other religions most people blindly practice.
 

eye exaggerate

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It isn't though. There are things between Christians in Christianity that hold true no matter where the person is from, like that Jesus is the son of God, he gave his life as a sacrifice for all mankind, etc.. The one and only thing common among atheists is they don't believe in a god. So the comparison of militant atheism in the Soviet Union doesn't hold water.

And, to be clear, it IS in fact Christianity, not only fanatical Christians themselves, that are a big problem. Christianity itself is immoral, as are most other religions most people blindly practice.
...it does hold water. I don't believe in the prosperity gospel any more than 'I assume' you don't adhere to Stalin's beliefs.

...are you saying that I am an immoral person, because I believe in God?
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
...it does hold water. I don't believe in the prosperity gospel any more than 'I assume' you don't adhere to Stalin's beliefs.

...are you saying that I am an immoral person, because I believe in God?
If I'm reading Pad right (and it is unavoidable that my response will be colored by my beliefs as well) believing in God is not immoral.

It's adherence/allegiance to a codified religion that is immoral, because it is impossible to obey its mandates. Every religious text is internally inconsistent, yet requires total loyalty from its practitioners, generating an unconditional no-winner. (The only way to win is to cheat: to either creatively interpret or simply disregard inconvenient text.)
Impasse: a Mexican standoff in Jerusalem. cn
 

eye exaggerate

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If I'm reading Pad right (and it is unavoidable that my response will be colored by my beliefs as well) believing in God is not immoral.

It's adherence/allegiance to a codified religion that is immoral, because it is impossible to obey its mandates. Every religious text is internally inconsistent, yet requires total loyalty from its practitioners, generating an unconditional no-winner. (The only way to win is to cheat: to either creatively interpret or simply disregard inconvenient text.)
Impasse: a Mexican standoff in Jerusalem. cn
...thanks neer. I agree that religions that have entranced people are bad. I just don't agree that all religions are 'bad', or 'useless', etc. Everything has value.

...also, what happens when a person finds a kink in a scientific text book? We all 'wrap' our own thoughts into what we read and are able to move on in an academic text without discounting the rest of it. We get back to those sticky parts later when we've come to grasp other parts of the whole.

Did that last part make enough sense? :)
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
...thanks neer. I agree that religions that have entranced people are bad. I just don't agree that all religions are 'bad', or 'useless', etc. Everything has value.

...also, what happens when a person finds a kink in a scientific text book? We all 'wrap' our own thoughts into what we read and are able to move on in an academic text without discounting the rest of it. We get back to those sticky parts later when we've come to grasp other parts of the whole.

Did that last part make enough sense? :)
I think I agree. When I come to a kink or a "dude wait what" in a scientific text, one that i cannot either confirm or discharge out of hand, I stick a mental marker there, a virtual Post-It, to remind me to return to it. If I could not resolve it on my own, i had the company of other scientists for the sort of discussion that made a splendid excuse for simultaneous spirited discourse and mass consumption of brewed beverages. Cold pale ones, as I don't **** with hot decoctions. cn
 
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