GOP is disgusting slime

Dr.J20

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Everyone in Ohio has a chance to vote, let's be honest, Obama's lawsuit is targeting the black vote, which I might add are all residents currently in Ohio, not overseas serving our country as is the military.

Do some research outside of the Daily Kos or stick to the global warming and gay marriage threads where it is strictly opinion!
why is political discourse impervious to opinion in your view? indeed, how is gay marriage fitting into this example? there are facts to that case that are determinate. there is no study which suggests the ability to receive the same perks and protections heterosexual couples have via marriage (which is, in fact, somewhat wrongheaded: we are to erect a wall between church (the marriage as religious institution rather than civil contract of union between two persons) and state) would cause some destruction of the american moral fabric--whatever that really is.

furthermore, the fairly weak argument that the nuclear family is the necessary stable building block of civil society is easily toppled by historical and cross-cultural context: tribal existence has been successful across the globe and throughout history, as have polygamist cultures.

sorry to sidetrack.
 

OLD DUDE

Active Member
At least the right wing politicians side step the questions where as the ordinary right wing wackos try to defend it!! Why not just say "We are doing it legally, na na na na naaa!"
 

OLD DUDE

Active Member
Oh dude thast not their gig. they want "everyone" to vote, Lib speak, lets let illegals and felonys vote. You know that
I take it that you grow Hemlock, and if you were busted, would it involve a felony, and if so, should you no longer be allowed to vote?
 

ChesusRice

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Oh dude thast not their gig. they want "everyone" to vote, Lib speak, lets let illegals and felonys vote. You know that
Sorry dude
pretty pathetic you are changing your tune
first you said democrats suppress the vote
now you say they dont
but they want to encourage fraud
Ok Hemlock
Compile a list of all the voter fraud cases in the last 20 years
Shouldnt take you longer than 5 minutes
Make sure you only list "voter Fraud"
 

beenthere

New Member
why is political discourse impervious to opinion in your view? indeed, how is gay marriage fitting into this example? there are facts to that case that are determinate. there is no study which suggests the ability to receive the same perks and protections heterosexual couples have via marriage (which is, in fact, somewhat wrongheaded: we are to erect a wall between church (the marriage as religious institution rather than civil contract of union between two persons) and state) would cause some destruction of the american moral fabric--whatever that really is.

furthermore, the fairly weak argument that the nuclear family is the necessary stable building block of civil society is easily toppled by historical and cross-cultural context: tribal existence has been successful across the globe and throughout history, as have polygamist cultures.

sorry to sidetrack.
Well let's hear these facts of yours!
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
Chesus, you've been asked on many occasions to articulate your arguments in your own words, we've yet to see a thing but cut and paste drivel from far left websites, sorry you FAIL!
Blah blah blah
Dont feel like playing fetch for you
A closed mind like yours ought to be good for something
Ever thought about joining the military?
 

Hemlock

Well-Known Member
Sorry dude
pretty pathetic you are changing your tune
first you said democrats suppress the vote
now you say they dont
but they want to encourage fraud
Ok Hemlock
Compile a list of all the voter fraud cases in the last 20 years
Shouldnt take you longer than 5 minutes
Make sure you only list "voter Fraud"
Never changed my tune.

I compiled a list of CONVICTED ACORN members for voters fraud many pages back.

But here ya go. these folks were convicted of a crime so they didn't work within the system.



Recent Fraud

State Year Details
AR1998A contractor with ACORN-affiliated Project Vote was arrested for falsifying about 400 voter registration cards.
CO2005Two ex-ACORN employees were convicted in Denver of perjury for submitting false voter registrations.
2004An ACORN employee admitted to forging signatures and registering three of her friends to vote 40 times.
CT2008The New York Post reported that ACORN submitted a voter registration card for a 7-year-old Bridgeport girl. Another 8,000 cards from the same city will be scrutinized for possible fraud.
FL2009In September, 11 ACORN workers were accused of forging voter registration applications in Miami-Dade County during the last election. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the state attorney’s office scoured hundreds of suspicious applications provided by ACORN and found 197 of 260 contained personal ID information that did not match any living person.
2008Election officials in Brevard County have given prosecutors more than 23 suspect registrations from ACORN. The state's Division of Elections is also investigating complaints in Orange and Broward Counties.
2004A Florida Department of Law Enforcement spokesman said ACORN was “singled out” among suspected voter registration groups for a 2004 wage initiative because it was “the common thread” in the agency’s fraud investigations.
IN2008Election officials in Indiana have thrown out more than 4,000 ACORN-submitted voter registrations after finding they had identical handwriting and included the names of many deceased Indianans, and even the name of a fast food restaurant.
MI2008Clerks in Detroit found a "sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent [voter] applications" from the Michigan branch of ACORN. Those applications have been turned over to the U.S. Attorney's office for investigation.
2004The Detroit Free Press reported that “overzealous or unscrupulous campaign workers in several Michigan counties are under investigation for voter-registration fraud, suspected of attempting to register nonexistent people or forging applications for already-registered voters.” ACORN-affiliate Project Vote was one of two groups suspected of turning in the documents.
MO2008Nearly 400 ACORN-submitted registrations in Kansas City have been rejected due to duplication or fake information.
2007Four ACORN employees were indicted in Kansas City for charges including identity theft and filing false registrations during the 2006 election.
2006Eight ACORN employees in St. Louis were indicted on federal election fraud charges. Each of the eight faces up to five years in prison for forging signatures and submitting false information.
2003Of 5,379 voter registration cards ACORN submitted in St. Louis, only 2,013 of those appeared to be valid. At least 1,000 are believed to be attempts to register voters illegally.
MN2004During a traffic stop, police found more than 300 voter registration cards in the trunk of a former ACORN employee, who had violated a legal requirements that registration cards be submitted to the Secretary of State within 10 days of being filled out and signed.
NC2008County elections officials have sent suspicious voter registration applications to the state Board of Elections. Many of the applications had similar or identical names, but with different addresses or dates of birth.
2004North Carolina officials investigated ACORN for submitting fake voter registration cards.
NM2008Prosecutors are investigating more than 1,100 ACORN-submitted voter registration cards after a county clerk found them to be fraudulent. Many of the cards included duplicate names and slightly altered personal information.
2005Four ACORN employees submitted as many as 3,000 potentially fraudulent signatures on the group’s Albuquerque ballot initiative. A local sheriff added: “It’s safe to say the forgery was widespread.”
2004An ACORN employee registered a 13-year-old boy to vote. Citing this and other examples, New Mexico State Representative Joe Thompson stated that ACORN was “manufacturing voters” throughout New Mexico.
NV2009Nevada authorities indicted ACORN on 26 counts of voter registration fraud and 13 counts of illegally compensating canvassers. ACORN provided a bonus compensation program called “Blackjack” or “21+” for any canvasser who registered more than 20 voters per shift, which is illegal under Nevada law.
2008Nevada state authorities raided ACORN's Las Vegas headquarters as part of a task force investigation of election fraud. Fraudulent registrations included players from the Dallas Cowboys.
OH2008ACORN activists gave Ohio residents cash and cigarettes in exchange for filling out voter registration card, according to the New York Post. Some voters claim to have registered dozens of times, and one man says he signed up on 72 cards.
2007A man in Reynoldsburg was indicted on two felony counts of illegal voting and false registration, after being registered by ACORN to vote in two separate counties.
2004A grand jury indicted a Columbus ACORN worker for submitting a false signature and false voter registration form. In Franklin County, two ACORN workers submitted what the director of the board of election supervisors called “blatantly false” forms. In Cuyahoga County, ACORN and its affiliate Project Vote submitted registration cards that had the highest rate of errors for any voter registration group.
PA2009Seven ACORN workers in the Pittsburgh area were indicted for submitting falsified voter registration forms. Six of the seven were also indicted for registering voters under an illegal quota system.
2008State election officials have thrown out 57,435 voter registrations, the majority of which were submitted by ACORN. The registrations were thrown out after officials found "clearly fraudulent" signatures, vacant lots listed as addresses, and other signs of fraud.
2008An ACORN employee in West Reading, PA, was sentenced to up to 23 months in prison for identity theft and tampering with records. A second ACORN worker pleaded not guilty to the same charges and is free on $10,000 bail.
2004Reading’s Director of Elections received calls from numerous individuals complaining that ACORN employees deliberately put inaccurate information on their voter registration forms. The Berks County director of elections said voter fraud was “absolutely out of hand,” and added: “Not only do we have unintentional duplication of voter registration but we have blatant duplicate voter registrations.” The Berks County deputy director of elections added that ACORN was under investigation by the Department of Justice.
TX2008In Harris County, nearly 10,000 ACORN-submitted registrations were found to be invalid, including many with clearly fraudulent addresses or other personal information.
2008ACORN turned in the voter registration form of David Young, who told reporters “The signature is not my signature. It’s not even close.” His social security number and date of birth were also incorrect.
VA2005In 2005, the Virginia State Board of Elections admonished Project Vote and ACORN for turning in a significant number of faulty voter registrations. An audit revealed that 83% of sampled registrations that were rejected for carrying false or questionable information were submitted by Project Vote. Many of these registrations carried social security numbers that exist for other people, listed non-existent or commercial addresses, or were for convicted felons in violation of state and federal election law.

In a letter to ACORN, the State Board of Elections reported that 56% of the voter registration applications ACORN turned in were ineligible. Further, a full 35% were not submitted in a timely manner, as required by law. The State Board of Elections also commented on what appeared to be evidence of intentional voter fraud. "Additionally,” they wrote, “information appears to have been altered on some applications where information given by the applicant in one color ink has been scratched through and re-entered in another color ink. Any alteration of a voter registration application is a Class 5 Felony in accordance with § 24.2-1009 of the Code of Virginia."
WA2007Three ACORN employees pleaded guilty, and four more were charged, in the worst case of voter registration fraud in Washington state history. More than 2,000 fraudulent voter registration cards were submitted by the group during a voter registration drive.
WI2008At least 33,000 ACORN-submitted registrations in Milwaukee have been called into question after it was found that the organizations had been using felons as registration workers, in violation of state election rules. Two people involved in the ongoing Wisconsin voter fraud investigation have been charged with felonies.
2004The district attorney’s office investigated seven voter registration applications Project Vote employees filed in the names of people who said the group never contacted them. Former Project Vote employee Robert Marquise Blakely told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that he had not met with any of the people whose voter registration applications he signed, “an apparent violation of state law,” according to the paper.
 

Hemlock

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This report reveals the Left’s vote fraud strategy for the 2012 elections. Like a KGB operation, it is thorough, multi-faceted and redundant. It has overt and covert, illegal and legal elements, the latter of which are designed, at least in part, to facilitate illegal activities later. It is a deliberate, premeditated, comprehensive plan to win the 2012 presidential election at all costs, and is in keeping with the organizational methods, associations and ethics of the Community-Organizer-in-Chief, Barack Obama.
The Left seeks fundamental structural change to our entire form of government. In keeping with their amoral, means-justifies-ends philosophy, they will register any voters, dead or alive, legal or illegal, who will then vote as many times as possible, in order to establish a “permanent progressive majority.” As two New York Democrats recently caught in a vote fraud scandal told police, “voter fraud is an accepted way of winning elections…”
Low income individuals are the perfect dupes for this strategy. An expanding welfare state makes them increasingly dependent on government benefits, a development that guarantees their vote for liberal-left candidates. At the same time, people with marginal attachment to society may be less inclined to report illegal activity at the polls—or actually participate. The “victim” narrative promoted in popular culture and press may even encourage such behavior. Meanwhile, a growing tax burden and public debt suck private enterprise dry—pushing ever more people onto the dole.
Politicians of both parties are not above engaging in vote fraud. But this kind of corruption is relegated to individual campaigns or areas where corrupt political establishments have been able to develop unchallenged. It is not a systematic component of overall national strategy, as it is with the Left.
This strategy has been under development for decades. They have constructed an entire industry devoted to this task and pursue a multifaceted strategy to accomplish it:
1. Swamp election officials with overwhelming numbers of registrations at the last possible minute, a huge proportion of which are deliberately fraudulent, in order to create systematic chaos. This accomplishes numerous goals:



  • Makes verification of registrations difficult, given the small size and limited budgets of state and local election offices.
  • Provides multiple opportunities for vote fraud.
  • Throws the entire voting process into question, providing pretext for lawsuits where concessions may be obtained from election officials.
  • When election officials challenge registrations, they are accused of “voter suppression.” This in turn serves complementary goals:
    • Charge of “voter suppression” reinforces the Left’s narrative about America as an oppressive, “racist” country.
    • Publicity and lawsuits intimidate election officials, who settle on terms favorable to the Left.
2. Activists sue state authorities for “voter suppression,” creating further chaos and pressuring them to become de facto taxpayer-funded voter registration operations;
3. Eric Holder’s Justice Department tacitly supports voter intimidation tactics, sues states and backs private lawsuits, and resists reform as “voter suppression.”
4. Leftist echo chamber discredits allegations of vote fraud, supports “suppression” theme, and promotes advantageous legislation.
The ultimate goal is a systematized, taxpayer-funded voting machinery that will guarantee maximum participation from the Left’s voting demographic while undermining the ability to manage elections and prevent fraud.

The ACORN Swamping Method
Key to understanding the Left’s vote-fraud strategy is the community organizing group ACORN. ACORN has become synonymous with corruption, complicity in the subprime mortgage crisis and especially vote fraud.
ACORN and its voter registration arm, Project Vote, hire marginal and unskilled workers at very low rates and use incentive bonuses or quotas to encourage them to collect as many voter registrations as possible. The resulting flood of registrations are fraught with duplicates, errors and omissions, and a large number are overtly fraudulent, including names like “Donald Duck,” “Mickey Mouse,” “Tony Romo” of the Dallas Cowboys, etc.[2] According to Matthew Vadum, the senior editor at Capital Research Center, a total of 400,000 bogus ACORN registrations were thrown out in 2008 alone.
ACORN was supposedly disbanded in 2010 but resurrected itself under a slew of new names. Former ACORN President Bertha Lewis bragged that they created “…18 bulletproof community-organizing Frankensteins…” These are reproduced in the table below. Most of these groups occupy former ACORN offices, many with the same staff.
ACORN is directly connected to Obama and the Democratic Party. Counsel to The Advance Group, a strategic planning company, is Michael Gaspard, Patrick Gaspard’s brother. Patrick is currently the DNC’s executive director and President Obama’s former political director. He has worked for ACORN, the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) and the Working Families Party, a descendant of the ACORN-founded New Party which Barack Obama joined in 1996. Obama has bragged of “fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career.”
ACORN’s former deputy regional director, Amy Busefink was convicted in 2010 of vote fraud stemming from a 2008 Nevada case. Judicial Watch found that, “while under criminal indictment in Nevada… [Busefink] managed an online program for Project Vote’s 2010 Colorado campaign, the ultimate goal of which is to allow people without a driver’s license or state identification to register to vote online.” Busefink is now national field director for Project Vote.
 

Hemlock

Well-Known Member
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Accuracy in Media (AIM) spokesman Logan Churchwell says the mainstream media is treating this problem like a non-issue, so his group decided to investigate just how bad it is. They found that a four-step process is employed, step 1 of which is the "swamping" method.

"You put as many on the roles -- it doesn't matter if they're legitimate, it doesn't matter if they're living or dead or if they're named Dallas Cowboys, which we've actually seen in our research," Churchwell explains. "Once you turn those in at the last possible second, you give election officials very limited time to be able to go over each of those registrations and make sure they're valid."

As the left seeks fundamental structural change to the U.S. government, AIM says that faction is keeping to its "amoral, means-justifies-ends philosophy." In step two, activists sue state authorities for "voter suppression," which creates further chaos.

"You have activist groups like ACORN, or one of its new manifestations like Project Vote, suing state agencies, saying we're not seeing enough voter registration," says Churchwell. "And in step three, the Department of Justice -- Eric Holder's department -- sides up with those lawsuits against states and tries to use the power of his office to get the lawsuit to go through and work their way."

The final step, according to AIM's spokesman, involves the "leftist echo chamber" discrediting allegations of voter fraud, supporting the "suppression" theme, and promoting advantageous legislation. The goal of this process, he explains, is to form a taxpayer-funded voting machine that guarantees maximum participation from the left and undermines the ability to manage elections and prevent fraud.

"And at some point, someone's going to say 'Jim Crow' -- and we've gotten nowhere," the AIM spokesman concludes.

Accuracy in Media's James Simpson writes that this is a "deliberate, premeditated, comprehensive plan" to win the 2012 presidential election -- one he says is in keeping with the methods, associations, and ethics of the "Community-Organizer-in-Chief" Barack Obama.
 

Canna Sylvan

Well-Known Member
I don't.........
Your opinion is exactly why this site exists. Everyone always says, "if you don't like the law, get it changed." But, our bullshit method for changing laws requires voting. So how do marijuana laws change if users become felons for using alone? Or do you actually think growing and using a plant makes you no longer a regular voting able citizen?

Becoming a felon is as easy as dancing at the Jefferson Memorial. Those fuckers need to get out of my country!
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
The ACORN Swamping Method
Key to understanding the Left’s vote-fraud strategy is the community organizing group ACORN. ACORN has become synonymous with corruption, complicity in the subprime mortgage crisis and especially vote fraud.
ACORN and its voter registration arm, Project Vote, hire marginal and unskilled workers at very low rates and use incentive bonuses or quotas to encourage them to collect as many voter registrations as possible. The resulting flood of registrations are fraught with duplicates, errors and omissions, and a large number are overtly fraudulent, including names like “Donald Duck,” “Mickey Mouse,” “Tony Romo” of the Dallas Cowboys, etc.[2]
I asked you to compile a list of Voter fraud
And you have again come up empty instead providing an article showing ACORN was a victim of Voter Registration fraud. Soemthing ACON pointed out to election officials. And also something ACORN was a witness for the prosecution of the perpetrators.
Now do you have ANY evidence that Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse voted in the election?
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
Your opinion is exactly why this site exists. Everyone always says, "if you don't like the law, get it changed." But, our bullshit method for changing laws requires voting. So how do marijuana laws change if users become felons for using alone? Or do you actually think growing and using a plant makes you no longer a regular voting able citizen?

Becoming a felon is as easy as dancing at the Jefferson Memorial. Those fuckers need to get out of my country!
Works for gun control also
Although for gun control you can lose your rights for misdemeanors as well
 

ChesusRice

Well-Known Member
Here is an article about the same thing happening
only it is a republican firm turning in the bogus registration info
But still this is not voter fraud it is voter registration Fraud just like with ACORN

[UPDATE 5/7/12: According to Sacramento Bee's 5/5/12 report, the number of bad registration forms is much higher than 3,100. The paper reports that since September, out of some 31,000 cards turned in by Momentum Political Services, "at least one-fourth of them have been thrown out because of inaccuracies," according to the Sacramento Registrar of Voters. That puts the questionable registrations from the GOP's company at more than 7,500.]
Voter registration forms have allegedly been turned in with fake addresses, voter names that don't exist, duplicate Social Security numbers, and party affiliations that seem to have been changed "by someone" to Republican. The head of the firm has admitted she has hired workers with criminal backgrounds, as found via Craigslist.
The charges of serial voter registration fraud sound very similar to those leveled in 2008 against another outfit hired by the California State GOP to register Republican voters before that year's Presidential election. In that case, the head of the firm was arrested, and eventually pleaded guilty to voter registration charges himself.
In 2006, another firm hired by the CA Republican Party turned in thousands of registration forms with fake names and an error rate as high as 60 percent. And in 2004, a firm hired by the GOP was investigated in a number of states for shredding Democratic voter registrations and tossing them into dumpsters. Despite those allegations, the same folks were later hired by the McCain/Palin campaign in 2008 to run voter registration drives before the Presidential election.

That is actually a criminal offense and falls under the aegis of voter suppression
 

Hemlock

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You won't listen to reason and I do not have the time to go fetch for you.

If you can't see that its done by the left I feel sorry for ya.
 
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