ChesusRice
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No he didnt have to be on a deans list to be at Harvard
And CLinton was a Rhodes scholar
Can you find a link to his college transcripts?
Obamas College Classmate: The Obama Scandal Is at Columbia
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And CLinton was a Rhodes scholar
Can you find a link to his college transcripts?
Dude if you're pushing 50, why is it you are limited to cut and past rebuttals, you'd think with all that experience, you would be able to articulate arguments in your own words!
ChesusRice
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Becuase I have played this game long enough
That if I put it in my own words
You will demand proof and references
So I just cut to the chase
canndo
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Beenthere, it is a rare art to be able to argue through cut and pasting, I would love to get as good at it as Chesus. I don't have the patience and unfortunately much of my understanding comes from books (I'm old too) and so I am unwilling to type all of that stuff in just so someone will ignore it.
ChesusRice
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ChesusRice
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December 8, 2011
What do we really know about Obama?
By Jim Simpson
An email that has been floating around the internet asks, "Where are Obama's girlfriends?" It continues:
Now look at the rest of what we know... no classmates, not even the recorder for the Columbia class notes ever heard of him.
But that said, no President to date has been so secretive about his past. We have yet to see Obama's college transcripts from Occidental, Columbia or Harvard. We know little about his youth except his made-up fantasy "Dreams From My Father," likely written by Weather Underground bomber Bill Ayers, and the only thing we have from Columbia is one article and this one testimony from a self-proclaimed roommate.
Still, we have managed to squeeze out a bit more information. Most is not very encouraging. Listed below is a doubtless incomplete compendium:
First, there are the Occidental College photos, notably of Obama by himself, smoking pot or whatever: http://www.oxy.edu/x8722.xml.
Following is testimony from some of his Occidental College friends. It popped up after the election, and smells very much like propaganda, but they do claim to have known him at least: HERE it is.
There is this list of his friends and associates. There is also the testimony from one of his Occidental classmates about what a committed leftist Obama was. Worth a listen.
Obama's attendance at Occidental is significant because Occidental was founded by Armand Hammer, Occidental Petroleum CEO, lifelong communist Soviet agent and son of American Communist Party co-founder Julius Hammer. Armand Hammer was pivotal in the political careers of Al Gore Sr. and Jr. Sr. would have never been elected without him, and may have been recruited to be an agent of influence. LIke father, like son?
Trevor Loudon has done almost all of the work to discover Obama's real associates, including Frank Marshall Davis, Bill Ayers, Van Jones and others, although Glenn Beck and others usually have taken the credit. His website, TrevorLoudon.com, is worth bookmarking, spreading around and consulting frequently. Trevor's infamous "Obama Files" have been made into a book, Barack Obama and the Enemies Within. Get it.
Obama did attend Harvard although grades and course work remain under wraps. We do know how he got in and paid for it, a story studiously ignored by the mass media. Famous black leader and civil rights pioneer Percy Sutton described it in a TV interview. He wrote a letter on Obama's behalf, which, at the time would have been somewhat akin to getting a letter of recommendation from Martin Luther King, were he still alive. Sutton also explained that Obama's education was paid for by a Saudi prince through the Prince's connection with American Muslim, Khalid Mansour.
Obama was not editor of the Harvard Law Review as many have incorrectly asserted. The editor was a republican. Obama was president of the Law Review. It is largely a ceremonial post and requires little if any writing. That explains why there is nothing in the Law Review under his byline. The editor described Obama as very confident and always courteous. Here is a video relating the story of his Law Review candidacy, from PBS no less: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5m6YFBcixo&feature=related
You have doubtless heard the rumors of Obama's homosexuality. A couple of gay men who allegedly had relations with him have been murdered. These men were also members of Jeremiah Wright's Trinity United Church. One, Donald Young, was the choir director. The article discussing this also asserts that Wright ran what was "essentially a matchmaking service for gay married black professional members of the church..."
These men were gay, they indeed died as described, and Mr. Young's mother has asserted that her son was murdered to keep his relationship with Obama secret. These reports, however, have remained largely unexplored by the mass media, so their veracity cannot be confirmed.
The following however is beyond dispute. Obama wrote a poem at Occidental that may describe a gay encounter. His mentor, the communist and Soviet agent, Frank Marshall Davis, was also an admitted pornographer and pedophile. This poem, reproduced here from a New York Times article, is difficult to read (graphic content warning), but sounds very much like Obama is describing Davis:
What do we really know about Obama?
By Jim Simpson
An email that has been floating around the internet asks, "Where are Obama's girlfriends?" It continues:
Now look at the rest of what we know... no classmates, not even the recorder for the Columbia class notes ever heard of him.
- Who was the best man at his wedding? Start there. Check for groomsmen. Then get the footage of the graduation ceremony. Has anyone talked to the professors? Isn't it odd that no one is bragging that they knew him or taught him or lived with him.
When did he meet Michele and how? Are there photos? Every president provides the public with all their photos, etc. for their library. What has he released? Nada other than what was in this so-called biography! And experts who study writing styles, etc. claim it was not O's own words or typical of his speech pat terns, etc.
Does this make any of you wonder?
But that said, no President to date has been so secretive about his past. We have yet to see Obama's college transcripts from Occidental, Columbia or Harvard. We know little about his youth except his made-up fantasy "Dreams From My Father," likely written by Weather Underground bomber Bill Ayers, and the only thing we have from Columbia is one article and this one testimony from a self-proclaimed roommate.
Still, we have managed to squeeze out a bit more information. Most is not very encouraging. Listed below is a doubtless incomplete compendium:
First, there are the Occidental College photos, notably of Obama by himself, smoking pot or whatever: http://www.oxy.edu/x8722.xml.
Following is testimony from some of his Occidental College friends. It popped up after the election, and smells very much like propaganda, but they do claim to have known him at least: HERE it is.
There is this list of his friends and associates. There is also the testimony from one of his Occidental classmates about what a committed leftist Obama was. Worth a listen.
Obama's attendance at Occidental is significant because Occidental was founded by Armand Hammer, Occidental Petroleum CEO, lifelong communist Soviet agent and son of American Communist Party co-founder Julius Hammer. Armand Hammer was pivotal in the political careers of Al Gore Sr. and Jr. Sr. would have never been elected without him, and may have been recruited to be an agent of influence. LIke father, like son?
Trevor Loudon has done almost all of the work to discover Obama's real associates, including Frank Marshall Davis, Bill Ayers, Van Jones and others, although Glenn Beck and others usually have taken the credit. His website, TrevorLoudon.com, is worth bookmarking, spreading around and consulting frequently. Trevor's infamous "Obama Files" have been made into a book, Barack Obama and the Enemies Within. Get it.
Obama did attend Harvard although grades and course work remain under wraps. We do know how he got in and paid for it, a story studiously ignored by the mass media. Famous black leader and civil rights pioneer Percy Sutton described it in a TV interview. He wrote a letter on Obama's behalf, which, at the time would have been somewhat akin to getting a letter of recommendation from Martin Luther King, were he still alive. Sutton also explained that Obama's education was paid for by a Saudi prince through the Prince's connection with American Muslim, Khalid Mansour.
Obama was not editor of the Harvard Law Review as many have incorrectly asserted. The editor was a republican. Obama was president of the Law Review. It is largely a ceremonial post and requires little if any writing. That explains why there is nothing in the Law Review under his byline. The editor described Obama as very confident and always courteous. Here is a video relating the story of his Law Review candidacy, from PBS no less: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5m6YFBcixo&feature=related
You have doubtless heard the rumors of Obama's homosexuality. A couple of gay men who allegedly had relations with him have been murdered. These men were also members of Jeremiah Wright's Trinity United Church. One, Donald Young, was the choir director. The article discussing this also asserts that Wright ran what was "essentially a matchmaking service for gay married black professional members of the church..."
These men were gay, they indeed died as described, and Mr. Young's mother has asserted that her son was murdered to keep his relationship with Obama secret. These reports, however, have remained largely unexplored by the mass media, so their veracity cannot be confirmed.
The following however is beyond dispute. Obama wrote a poem at Occidental that may describe a gay encounter. His mentor, the communist and Soviet agent, Frank Marshall Davis, was also an admitted pornographer and pedophile. This poem, reproduced here from a New York Times article, is difficult to read (graphic content warning), but sounds very much like Obama is describing Davis:
Proof, what proof! All I see from you is regurgitated drivel from the Daily Kos or Huffington Post.
ChesusRice
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ginwilly
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Why? do you think he lied about being a Rhodes Scholar? that would be easy to find out, nobody would do that.
Obama spent over 4 million having his records sealed. Mr transparency shouldn't have campaigned on that.
ChesusRice
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He spent over 4 million dollars having them covered up?
Really?
4 million
all it takes is a postage stamp and a letter
that is totally disregarding the laws in all 50 states that make them private records you have to actually sign a release for to give them to someone else
canndo
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You bring up a fine point.
I don't like to call my rebuttals or data or links "proof". I believe that unless the opposition accepts the data, an argument can never be proven. Chesus taking from the left does not mean that it is wrong. The left and the right can report fact. It is only the opinion portions that aren't really useable - lots of conservatives don't seem to get that.
Therefore if I cut and paste a conversation from one of the principles of an issue - say the entirety of an Obama speech, then it doesn't matter if it comes from FOX or MSNBC does it? so long as the speech is not altered or taken out of context. And if it is, that can easily be pointed out.
So why is there a problem using the Daily Kos or Huffpo? I resent this continuing notion from the right that they have the ultimate say over which news sources are valid and which are not. We see that over and over again, when the right agrees with a source that it claims is lying, then and only then is that source deemed legitimate. You folks don't get that that sort of thing seriously weakens all of your arguments.
Deal with the content and not with the source.
ChesusRice
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William thorson
He went to St genevieves elementary school in chicago
DOnt worry he is dead
Try and get his grades from 1972
tell them you are ginwilly, the press his uncle
lets see you get his grades legally
canndo
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After Bush got elected he shelved under lock and key all of his governor of Texas records. He also by presidential order sealed 20 years of every president's records including his fathers. He made presidential documents next to impossible to get a hold of unless the person specificaly released said documents, but you had to know beforehand what the document you wanted was - no "fishing".
Yet I never see anyone on the right ever having complained about the huge extent of Bush's "cover up".
ChesusRice
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here is my source
http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/people-remember-president-obama/friends-2/
Here is their mission statement
The Fogbow is an organized gathering of intelligent light that shines into the dark corners of the Internet. We debunk the conspiracy theories of the Birthers and keep a sharp eye on various other fringe groups who use the Web to spread falsehoods and intolerance.
A fogbow is formed when sunlight strikes fog. Our mission is to strike sunlight on the dark miasma of hatred, suspicion and lies that took form during the 2008 presidential election and still spreads today. We challenge unsupported conspiracy theories and monitor potentially violent fringe groups. Join our forum to participate in the discussion, or just to follow along.
We mock, we snark, we have fun. We examine the merits of arguments in ongoing court cases. We give you indisputable debunking material. We provide accurate and important information to journalists and law enforcement.
http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/people-remember-president-obama/friends-2/
Here is their mission statement
The Fogbow is an organized gathering of intelligent light that shines into the dark corners of the Internet. We debunk the conspiracy theories of the Birthers and keep a sharp eye on various other fringe groups who use the Web to spread falsehoods and intolerance.
A fogbow is formed when sunlight strikes fog. Our mission is to strike sunlight on the dark miasma of hatred, suspicion and lies that took form during the 2008 presidential election and still spreads today. We challenge unsupported conspiracy theories and monitor potentially violent fringe groups. Join our forum to participate in the discussion, or just to follow along.
We mock, we snark, we have fun. We examine the merits of arguments in ongoing court cases. We give you indisputable debunking material. We provide accurate and important information to journalists and law enforcement.
ginwilly
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your point?
I know a William Thorson, any of the old pokerstars players know of the Hendon Mob.
Different guy I'm sure but Thorson didn't campaign on being the most transparent prez ever and spend 4 million sealing records.
If a guy campaigns on family values while cheating on his wife, it's more newsworthy than the other guy doing it.
ginwilly
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I have, even bitched about it myself, what do I win? Not excusing it, but this was after election, an election btw where I don't recall him campaigning on transparency.
canndo
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(off topic but sources are important) American Bridge is a Dem SuperPac that does not work to place candidates in office, rather it follows republican candidates and records their statements - often statements that change radicaly when they gain nominations. It gives us a damn good idea of what is going on on the ground in many states and an idea of just how loony the right has become. I get lots of info from here and more importantly, this is how I back up some of my contentions that the right is down right nuts and is not the mirror image of the left.
http://www.americanbridgepac.org/
ChesusRice
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Im going back to playing
"shine on you crazy Diamond"
I'm using a hd500 almost got that Gilmour sound
later
"shine on you crazy Diamond"
I'm using a hd500 almost got that Gilmour sound
later
canndo
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agreed, he did not campaign on transparancy. I don't even have a problem with his having hiden his own records, I have a problem with the blanket burial of everyone's. Thing is that includes Obama's as well. I do blame Bush for many things even now because he was a trend setter, he was the guy who opened many dangerous doors and few are willing to accept that we will have Bush to blame for many abuses for a very very long time. this is what happens when the right gets all three branches - they go hog wild, they laud their king and give him everything he wants, they boo and hiss at anyone who brings up the point that no president should have that sort of power. I had a discussion with a group of right persons who insisted that the constitution intended for there to be a 4 year monarchy. Of course they changed their mind when Bush left office
ginwilly
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I have to admit you are growing on me Chesus. This bumps you way up.