missnu
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Well because some people are prone to blaming as opposed to acting to fix what the issue is...
but that blaming only gets a person so far...Everyone to blame is dead now.
There is a protest going on right now at my local chick fil a
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but that blaming only gets a person so far...Everyone to blame is dead now.
Dr.J20
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oh well, we tried right?
Kaendar
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Have you met very many Jews? I live in LA, which has the 2nd biggest jewish population in the country. Im surrounded by jews, and trust me, if in any way they can take advantage of their situation they will... Is it a bad thing that they like money so much? Not really, but it makes em look like assholes. I know Jewish ppl my age, all they are worried about for the most part is smoking weed and somehow buying some fancy car with money somehow manipulated from somebody.
charface
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I will give you that, it is hard as hell to overcome your upbringing but for the few blacks, whites or greens that find it within themselves that they desire to break the chain sucsess is possible. But what is your definition of sucsess.
Mine is not about wealth it is about other things like not beating your kids just because you were beaten or not abandoning your kids just because your dad was a selfish prick. However all these things require you to not focus on blaming or excuse making.
Like it or not it is about you doing whatever work is required to get you where you want to be.
It does not matter why your cart is in the ditch or who put it there it matters how YOU will get it out.
Kaendar
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[h=2]The oppression of black people in the USA today[/h]Thu, 02/10/2008 - 11:03
The systematic oppression of black Americans is deeply embedded in the fabric of US society. In a nation made up of immigrants, blacks were the ones brought there forcibly and kept as slaves for 150 years. Although racism afflicts many ethnic groups, racism against black people is "justified" by a racist ideology derived from slavery and the hundred year old apartheid system of Jim Crow, which insists on their inferiority to whites. Though officially hidden today, it underpins the horrific inequality in education, employment, housing, healthcare, and levels of poverty dividing black and white Americans.A 2008 report by the National Urban League (Annual Report on Socio-economic Conditions in Black America), which investigates the realities faced by black citizens, has uncovered some brutal facts. It finds that there is still indisputable evidence that the criminal justice system is pitted against young black men, and systematically criminalises them.
For example, blacks who are arrested are seven times more likely to be imprisoned than whites; they are sentenced to death four times more often than whites, and the average prison sentence is 10 months longer for black men than for white men. In addition 98 per cent of District Attorneys, those responsible for initiating prosecutions, are white and black jurors are challenged far more than whites.
Black Americans make up 12.2 per cent of the American population, but black men under 25 years of age are 15 times more likely to die by murder than white men. Black men make up 48 per cent of those on death row. Of the two million people imprisoned in the US, one million are black. Yet blacks are still 20 times more likely than whites to be a victim of hate crime.The US legal system uses systematic racist techniques to convict and sentence blacks. The death penalty is racist. An in-depth study by researchers, 'Prison Nation: the Warehousing of America's Poor', found that whether someone is given the death penalty is down to the quality of legal defence, not the facts of the crime. Most of those on death row could not afford their own lawyer. So the death penalty is also a class issue - there are no rich people on death row.The National Urban League also finds:
More than 80,000 Black Americans die every year due to lack of health insurance
Black people are less likely to own their own home than any other ethnic group
Black women are five to six times more likely to receive sub prime mortgages than white males
Blacks people are three times more likely to receive higher rate mortgage loans(54.7 per cent of blacks compared to 17.2 per cent of whites)
25 percent of the black population live below the poverty line, and of those under the ages of 18, 33.5 per cent live in poverty.
These are just some examples of the horrific inequality black people face in the USA, not to mention the racism that also works on unconscious levels, racism which exists in the workplace, in social relations, and in the education system.
As the whole world saw in 2006, when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, in the richest country on earth the black and poor inhabitants were left to save themselves or drown. Hungry survivors were shot at when they took food from abandoned shops.
And two whole years after Katrina, tens of thousands of its victims are still awaiting permanent housing (UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination). New housing projects which were promised by the government simply are not being built. Public housing for low-income families is being demolished to make way for new private housing, and rents on existing homes are being raised.On average Black male fulltime workers earn only 72 per cent of the earnings of their white class brothers. For women, the comparable ratio is 85 percent. In boom and recession alike, black unemployment is double the white rate. In the 40 years since Martin Luther King was assassinated, the income disparity between blacks and whites has narrowed by only three cents in the dollar. In a country with very little public housing, black homeownership is only 47 per cent compared with 75 per cent for whites. In 2005 the median per capita income was $16,629 for blacks and $28,946 for whites. At this rate it would take another 537 years to reach income equality. But if Democrats and Republicans keep on demolishing welfare programmes, this snail's pace improvement will go into reverse. (All figures from: Race and Extreme Inequality by Dedrick Muhammad in The Nation, June 11, 200
It's not surprising that Barack Obama declared in March this year that "race is an issue that I believe this nation cannot afford to ignore" and spoke of the racial divide between black and white which he hoped to overcome. But what is he actually promising to do for African-Americans?
Obama's manifesto, Blueprint for Change, contains some positive measures such as providing support for ex- offenders including mental health counselling, job training, and re-integration. Non-violent offenders on drugs charges will be sent to rehabilitation centres instead of to prisons. However these measures are really only sticking plasters on the gaping wounds of racism. There is in Obama's programme nothing like a strategy to lift black people out of poverty, find equally paid jobs for the unemployed and stop police and legal harassment.It will take more than the election of a black president to do this. Indeed the candidate of a capitalist and imperialist party like the Democrats is bound to fail to meet the hopes of African Americans.Socialists want to address this burning question. We must overcome the divisions between white, Latino and black workers and weld them into an organised force, a party which puts to the forefront of its struggle the ending of black oppression and exploitation. In general white Americans of all classes are privileged in relation to black people. Nevertheless white workers, especially the poorer majority, are much less privileged than the middle class. Poor whites are also sidelined and exploited, patronised and abused, which can lead to a clear need for solidarity between poorer black and white workers. Especially in the present period, when the failure of capitalism is being brought home painfully to the great majority of Americans, a revolutionary socialist party can unite the fragmented working class and raise once more the banner of a socialist America, free from poverty, oppression, inequality and racism.
For example, blacks who are arrested are seven times more likely to be imprisoned than whites; they are sentenced to death four times more often than whites, and the average prison sentence is 10 months longer for black men than for white men. In addition 98 per cent of District Attorneys, those responsible for initiating prosecutions, are white and black jurors are challenged far more than whites.
Black Americans make up 12.2 per cent of the American population, but black men under 25 years of age are 15 times more likely to die by murder than white men. Black men make up 48 per cent of those on death row. Of the two million people imprisoned in the US, one million are black. Yet blacks are still 20 times more likely than whites to be a victim of hate crime.The US legal system uses systematic racist techniques to convict and sentence blacks. The death penalty is racist. An in-depth study by researchers, 'Prison Nation: the Warehousing of America's Poor', found that whether someone is given the death penalty is down to the quality of legal defence, not the facts of the crime. Most of those on death row could not afford their own lawyer. So the death penalty is also a class issue - there are no rich people on death row.The National Urban League also finds:
More than 80,000 Black Americans die every year due to lack of health insurance
Black people are less likely to own their own home than any other ethnic group
Black women are five to six times more likely to receive sub prime mortgages than white males
Blacks people are three times more likely to receive higher rate mortgage loans(54.7 per cent of blacks compared to 17.2 per cent of whites)
25 percent of the black population live below the poverty line, and of those under the ages of 18, 33.5 per cent live in poverty.
These are just some examples of the horrific inequality black people face in the USA, not to mention the racism that also works on unconscious levels, racism which exists in the workplace, in social relations, and in the education system.
As the whole world saw in 2006, when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, in the richest country on earth the black and poor inhabitants were left to save themselves or drown. Hungry survivors were shot at when they took food from abandoned shops.
And two whole years after Katrina, tens of thousands of its victims are still awaiting permanent housing (UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination). New housing projects which were promised by the government simply are not being built. Public housing for low-income families is being demolished to make way for new private housing, and rents on existing homes are being raised.On average Black male fulltime workers earn only 72 per cent of the earnings of their white class brothers. For women, the comparable ratio is 85 percent. In boom and recession alike, black unemployment is double the white rate. In the 40 years since Martin Luther King was assassinated, the income disparity between blacks and whites has narrowed by only three cents in the dollar. In a country with very little public housing, black homeownership is only 47 per cent compared with 75 per cent for whites. In 2005 the median per capita income was $16,629 for blacks and $28,946 for whites. At this rate it would take another 537 years to reach income equality. But if Democrats and Republicans keep on demolishing welfare programmes, this snail's pace improvement will go into reverse. (All figures from: Race and Extreme Inequality by Dedrick Muhammad in The Nation, June 11, 200
It's not surprising that Barack Obama declared in March this year that "race is an issue that I believe this nation cannot afford to ignore" and spoke of the racial divide between black and white which he hoped to overcome. But what is he actually promising to do for African-Americans?
Obama's manifesto, Blueprint for Change, contains some positive measures such as providing support for ex- offenders including mental health counselling, job training, and re-integration. Non-violent offenders on drugs charges will be sent to rehabilitation centres instead of to prisons. However these measures are really only sticking plasters on the gaping wounds of racism. There is in Obama's programme nothing like a strategy to lift black people out of poverty, find equally paid jobs for the unemployed and stop police and legal harassment.It will take more than the election of a black president to do this. Indeed the candidate of a capitalist and imperialist party like the Democrats is bound to fail to meet the hopes of African Americans.Socialists want to address this burning question. We must overcome the divisions between white, Latino and black workers and weld them into an organised force, a party which puts to the forefront of its struggle the ending of black oppression and exploitation. In general white Americans of all classes are privileged in relation to black people. Nevertheless white workers, especially the poorer majority, are much less privileged than the middle class. Poor whites are also sidelined and exploited, patronised and abused, which can lead to a clear need for solidarity between poorer black and white workers. Especially in the present period, when the failure of capitalism is being brought home painfully to the great majority of Americans, a revolutionary socialist party can unite the fragmented working class and raise once more the banner of a socialist America, free from poverty, oppression, inequality and racism.
Dr.J20
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and you consistently argue that your experience should be the hallmark of knowledge. So you say that you perceive "all these jews" around you as selfish, greedy, immoral people, and, therefore all jews are this way. you do understand that it is a fallacy to argue from the specific case to the general situation, right?
cannabineer
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And that is what I am talking about ... a fabric of lies and truth, artfully interwoven for effect. The plight of the Jews is being lied about here. Go East and tell me anti-Semitism isn't alive and well! Kaendar, if you've ever had a class in critical thinking skills (if you haven't, borrow a book at the library), use them to dissect that passage and spot the rhetorical tools and tricks. Investigate each claim for whether it corresponds to known documented history, or distorts it. You're at a politically impressionable age, and if your diet consists mainly of this sort of newspeak, i worry for you. Use your local library. Read read read. learn how easy it is to be led astray by polemicists with an agenda. That's the best advice I have. cn
missnu
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But that is what every enslaved group of people have felt...
But some flourish, while others seem to be trying their damndest to just kill themselves off...
Hell the next step is for black men to start using condoms...and that would be the end of all of this...Let these entitled feeling fellows not procreate and teach their kids the same hatred...
Jews were treated like slaves when they were enslaved my Egypt...Working their fingers to the bone just to get a place to sleep and food to eat...
It is during WWII that they suffered atrocities that as slaves they never had to...
Things you wouldn't believe! And they don't whine about it and carry on like all of Germany owes them something...They worked their asses off again to make sure that they had enough that nobody could take it...Where as black America seems to think the opposite is the way...Well if we never have anything they can't take it away...
Kaendar
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Im just saying that greed is a part of their culture. They are far from immoral, thats an assumption you made independently. All the Jews I know are very moral and often invite me to attend their religious services. They are good people, but wont use their money to help out anybody that isnt Jewish.
missnu
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We aren't telling you these things because we hate blacks, or hate jews, or hate santa Claus...we are telling you so perhaps you can tell more people...to maybe help them to better themselves...instead of worrying over what was lost in the 1800s...worry about what is being lost right now...black people keep themselves enslaved by keeping on with just what you are saying here.
cannabineer
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It's an unfair racial/ethnic stereotype that you are hanging around their necks. There is irony here. cn
Kaendar
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I dont see how anything in that is not truthful.. its true, whites dont understand bcuz they dont come from that way of life, so all they see is lazy ppl blaming others for their problems. Look at Missnu... subtle racism at its best.
missnu
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So because they won't give a handout to a black man they must be greedy?
Kaendar
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You are an obvious racist. Im done with you.
missnu
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I don't think black people are lazy...Slavery is a heavy cross to carry around...
Kaendar
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Really? I havent seen many Jewish organizations help out any non jewish ppl.. that was actually a story on our local news here not too long ago.. about how jewish charities ONLY use those funds for jewish ppl
Kaendar
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Ignorance.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
What part of missnu's posts are subtly racist? I see a message of the way toward self-empowerment. that is as unracist as I can imagine. cn
Kaendar
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Because she refuses to accept that the plight of blacks in america are of no fault of their own. Ignoring the truth to perpetuate your own opinion in this case is well, idk what to call it but racism.
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