Business told to either give up their religion or give up their business

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Red1966

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. Kinda like viagra? It is a prescription medicine, it deals with health issues as pregnancy is a health issue, Insurance would rather pay a portion for this preventative than pay for a birth. If you have religious reasons for not taking birth control, then don't take it, if you can convince others that your belief is the most moral then they won't take it either. Preach abstanence in church, put anti-birth control posters up, buy adversting time and tell folks that it is wrong but you don't get an exeption from the regulation of commerce simply because you think you don't have to pay for something that everyone else has to.
More misdirection. So the standard now is you can take away our 1st amendment rights, forcing us to subsidize contraceptives, because others may or may not have had those rights taken? So if, say I choose not to exercise my right to vote, I can take away your right to vote?
 

Moses Mobetta

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No, it's about religion. More misdirection. Why do you state EVERY controversy in false terms? Why are you so dishonest? Is it because you prey upon the weak-minded the Democratic Party targets? Are you going to tell us that treating people differently based on the color of their skin is not discriminatory because you're trying to make them "more equal"?
Definitely about religeous beliefs. Regardless of their employment status their right to religeous freeom as their religeous beliefs remain the same, unless of course they change their religeous beliefs which is their right according to the Constitution. I who do not share the same belief about birth control as them can see that. A clear trampling upon of rights - plain as day, this is the problem with unconstitutionally corrupt legislation it stonewalls itself against what is just time and time again.
 

UncleBuck

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So the standard now is you can take away our 1st amendment rights, forcing us to subsidize contraceptives...
freedom of religion doesn't mean you get to force your beliefs on others by deciding what is and is not medicine, smarty.

plenty of women use birth control pills for any number of medical issues not related to responsible family planning. you don't get to force your religion on them because you have a boner for sky daddy.
 

cannabineer

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More misdirection. So the standard now is you can take away our 1st amendment rights, forcing us to subsidize contraceptives, because others may or may not have had those rights taken? So if, say I choose not to exercise my right to vote, I can take away your right to vote?
How is a de facto taxation issue, which is how I read the contraception fracas, an infringement of free speech? cn
 

Red1966

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Can't these sluts just tell one of the guys their sleeping with that if he wants to get some he has to pay for her birth control?
All fifty of them? I'll buy condoms, but I ain't paying for no pill, unless it's a monogamous relationship.
 

UncleBuck

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Definitely about religeous beliefs. Regardless of their employment status their right to religeous freeom as their religeous beliefs remain the same, unless of course they change their religeous beliefs which is their right according to the Constitution. I who do not share the same belief about birth control as them can see that. A clear trampling upon of rights - plain as day, this is the problem with unconstitutionally corrupt legislation it stonewalls itself against what is just time and time again.
so this idea you have of freedom of religion, where we get to force our religion on others, does it allow me to force teachers to teach pastafarianism? pastafarians believe that routine health checkups are evil, so do i get to deny my employees access to routine health checkups because it violates my religion which they do not share?

silly understanding of freedom of religion there.
 

Red1966

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The right is pretty much nuts over this pregnancy issue. Let's see. They don't want birth control - the absolutly cheapest method of dealing with the human condition of horneyness. No, no birth control, and wait, no abortion either, that would be immoral. But wait, if you have a child and you can't afford it, we don't want to pay for that either cause you should have thought about it. But wait, if you have that kid and can't work out the details of parenthood, well that kid is responsible for his own actions and should go to jail when he breaks the laws that he inevitably will when he grows up angry with a system that didn't want him. But wait, we are paying too much to governments that maintain those prisons. But wait, that kid shouldn't be able to go to school because schools cost too much and his mom should get a voucher for half of the cost of the school. But wait, that kid got pregnant because the right doesn't believe in condoms vended at school either and we don't want to pay for her or her kid's medical care, it isn't right to take from some people to give to others, but wait, we don't even want to pay for the teachers that might turn that kid around or get him a job. But wait, we don't think that anyone who is not educated should have a minimum wage, let them get paid whatever the company that hires uneducated folk are willing to pay - and of course that won't be enough to afford birth control. But wait, on top of all that, if the owner of a business is Catholic he shouldn't have to pay for insurance supplied birth control, that isn't fair either. Damn this socialistic country anyway, why can't they just keep their knees together, right?
"the absolutly cheapest method of dealing with the human condition of horneyness." = "just keep their knees together"
 

Moses Mobetta

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Birth control in of itself I believe is good and really wish more people would use it, however forcing it upon those who do not wish to (because of their religeous beliefs) borders on tyrrany.
 

Moses Mobetta

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I had an employee who fasted for several days - no food or water. He did this upon instruction from his pastor. We were roofing in the summer in Ct. He was swaying up on the roof, could not stand up in the heat due to dehydration I'm sure. I gave him the time off he needed to finish his fasting with pay (2 days) because he had a family to support and I respected his right to believe. Regardless of the fact I thought it was stupid to fast and deprive the body of water when working on a roof in 100 deg. temps. The pastor who instructed his church to do this was probably hanging around in the a/c on these hot days and not working on a roof in danger of falling off. The line should be drawn on religeous freedoms when they endanger the safety of others. I fail to see how birth control either way so endangers anyone.
 

UncleBuck

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No one "requires" contraceptives, and yes.
stellar understanding of women there. tell that to women with ovarian cysts, or someone like my wife who would get cramps bad enough to keep her from school or work without birth control pills.

so much fail here.
 

UncleBuck

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The line should be drawn on religeous freedoms when they endanger the safety of others. I fail to see how birth control either way so endangers anyone.
tell that to women with ovarian cysts or severe menstrual pains. lack of access to birth control for them would indeed endanger their health.

keep your sky daddy belief nonsense away from everyone else's health care. thanks.
 

Gyroscope

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stellar understanding of women there. tell that to women with ovarian cysts, or someone like my wife who would get cramps bad enough to keep her from school or work without birth control pills.

so much fail here.
Maybe she needs to take a huge dump.
 

UncleBuck

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lulz I think he means forcing people to pay for it.
sorry buddy, preventive care is the law of the land and it has been upheld under the most important law of the land.

stitch in time saves nine. birth control pills don't cost anywhere near as much as 9 months of pre natal care, delivery of a child, and several nights hospital stay.

the idea is to incentivize smart practices that keep costs of health care lower, not higher.
 
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