Algae/Flushing Question

Chombo

Member
I bought 2.5 G AS no I did not buy FS...

Any suggestions? I think AS will work well only before I got the slime... I kinda panicked so I changes rez and sprayed H202 on roots then added water with only H202 for tonight. Tomorrow I will add my nuts then I can head on vaca... I know H202 works but I was hoping AS worked better.
 

gudkarma

New Member
i use aquashield & kangaroots (innoculant by foxfarm) & enzymes together ;-)

ebb/flow. hydro. cns17 (or even dynagro) as the base nutes.

cant use h202 with aquashield or any other microlife stuff like benie-tea.

you need to turn that rez into a tea. fuck sterile. innoculate.
go with outnumbering the bad guy with your own overload of good guys.

h202 only works about 24 hours & poooof it oxidizes ...turning into water. so one treatment aint gonna kill the slime unless you get lucky. clean those buckets too.

id run h202 a full night & brew up a quick tea as well ...cause you got air pumps.
 

Chombo

Member
Can I use AS, kangaroos and enzyme with Technaflora products? Can I mix organic with synthetic ?

Also, what kind of enzymes?
 

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
I added 160ML of H202 to my 55g rez, If I add AS it would be a waste correct?
Yes it will be a waist, 55g of water you would need 200ml of aquashield added evey three days.
AS and technoflora work well together not sure about the other stuff
 

gudkarma

New Member
i use any enzyme products from any company... humboldt, AN , hygrozyme, cannazyme ...depend on $ cause i buy gallons.

yes. i use chem (mineral) based nutes & tea. that's how its done w/o a chiller.
unless you plan to use h202 every day. or run a chiller. which i dont.

& i read the post fully & hellraizer is right. stop using h202 & bennie up.

little great white (or pirhana)(i use GW) with enzyme & a touch of molasas (tiny bit just to feed the microlife) & air stone.

add nutes afterward...
 

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
I think zem was referring to running a sterile rez when he mentioned that you dont need bacteria when using chemical nutes.
ie using bleach/h2o2 to kill off the bacteria.

Before you jump on me for saying bleach, check fatmans posts. He got trolled off this forum, but the guy did have a solid chemistry background.
https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/327967-bleach-instead-h2o2-13.html
Hey clown if you remember i was on the bleach kick to! But i found a better way.
 

Chombo

Member
Thanks for the feedback!
Another question, I use a 55G REZ but it only uses half of the water to fill my buckets. Why don't I just fill the rez at 35g so I don't wast nuts or should I just use the full 55G?
 

Chombo

Member
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Here is what my roots look like after my grow. I used H202 for the 8 weeks then AS after that..
Is it a good turn out or should I use something else? There is some root rot im going to fix that I hope by raising the buckets 2" to ensure there is a proper drain so the remaining roots don't sit in water.

Let me know, Thanks!
 

Chombo

Member
That was after harvest. Water temp 69, Nutes are TF, I used the AS vs H202 but debating for next grow on just doing H202
 

Bernie420

Well-Known Member
DONT USE A.S. OR HYGROZYME OR H2O2 UNTIL AFTER YOU GET ROOT ROT NOT BEFORE. All those will kill your beneficial microbes. You need to get a product called Great White and use it to prevent rot along with proper water temps.

My advice = read more about root rot.

Yes you can just run a 40 gallon nute schedule in a 55 gallon res if that is all you need.
 

Chombo

Member
Great white hu?

Well Im going to give it a try!

I cant use AS and GW the same time? AS is a PREVENTER not a AFTER....
 

haole420

Active Member
red composting worms are water tolerant. you can toss some in your grow basket. they thrive in hydroton as long as there is moisture. not sure about rockwool. they will eat dead roots, fungus, insect eggs/larvae, basically anything/everything.

if you're not so adventurous, have you tried an endomyco product? great white? that stuff colonizes the root cortex itself, fights infection from the inside out. enzymes might also help break down proteins and dead organic matter. i'm under the distinct impression that enzymes don't kill bennies. those enzymes are actually what some strains of beneficials produce, if my understanding is correct. all that costs $$$ though.

H2O2 will definitely oxidize and kill the bennies. it will probably denature the enzymes as well and render them non-functional.

also, low DO might also be an issue. how well is the entire system aerated? does the solution get constantly circulated? res volume?

was light hitting the roots?

what pH and ppm/EC were you running?

algae and pythium prefer higher pH (7.0+). keep it on the low side (less than 6.0). that will also keep your nutes in solution instead of caking on your equipment and roots.

as far as ppm, there is absolutely no reason to use high ppm if your plants aren't sucking down like 500 ppm per day. 1200ppm isn't going to feed your plants any faster. let's say your plants are absorbing 300ppm over the course of a week from your solution. what's the difference between 1200-900ppm and 600-300ppm? 600-300ppm is actually going to absorb faster due to a better osmolar gradient.

after a few days, if you're topping off your water level with plain water (RO or tap), you should see ppms go down. by the time you flush, your ppms should be much lower, say 300ppm or less. if you started at 1200ppm and you're still at 1000ppm when you flush, you've basically just wasted 1000ppm worth of nutes. you could've just mixed to 500ppm and gotten the same (actually, slightly better) results.

the reason i bring up ppm (or EC) is because those nutes can feed algae, especially nitrogen.

and if you don't want to EVER have to worry about this kind of stuff again, i mean 100% sure it ain't gonna happen, then look into aquaponics. i had several experiences exactly like yours, found aquaponics, and will never go back to plain hydro. it just seems so silly to do things that way when there is clearly a solution to make these problems go away permanently. you get all the performance of hydro without all the bullshit.
 
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