UncleBuck
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those over the age of 26 will have to insure themselves now somehow?
crazy stuff. make it stop.
impartiality.
How would raising taxes affect you and our economy?
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crazy stuff. make it stop.
Mr Neutron
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Yeah, good luck selling THAT one.
Yeah, it didn't work out too well for daddy Bush did it?
"read my lips, no new taxes" cost him reelection.
UncleBuck
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so you're saying that the conservative justice was being partial by stamping his approval on obama's legislation?
i guess it was a conservative, heritage foundation idea after all. so maybe he was just showing how much he liked ideas that come from conservative think tanks.
i guess it was a conservative, heritage foundation idea after all. so maybe he was just showing how much he liked ideas that come from conservative think tanks.
Mr Neutron
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THE SOLUTIONS:
- Repeal Obamacare. There is a precedent for repealing highly unpopular and misguided laws: the Medicare Catastrophic Coverage Act of 1988. History may be repeating itself. Recently, over 70% of Missouri residents rejected a key provision of Obamacare*—the requirement that individuals purchase a health insurance plan designed and approved by government bureaucrats. The rebellion at the state level, in fact, is both widespread and multi-dimensional. Some states will vote on similar repeal measures; in others, legislation has been introduced challenging various aspects of the law; still others have banded together to challenge the constitutionality of the individual mandate in lawsuits. The House of Representatives even voted recently to repeal one provision of Obamacare that will impose draconian paperwork requirements on millions of small businesses. The easiest way to address all these grievances: repeal Obamacare.
abandonconflict
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[video=youtube;7g9WjcGdxuM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g9WjcGdxuM[/video]
Mr Neutron
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An ironic post flies over the heads of the socialists, yet again.
Casting pearls before swine.
ChesusRice
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Dude, who the fuck are you to give me orders LOL, if you haven't heard of Obama's union worker exemptions, you sure as hell don't belong in the debate!
ChesusRice
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Please I mean no disrespect
So you could you pretty please list those "union" exemptions
and cite where you found this information
Pretty please
pretty pretty please
Winter Woman
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Me. When you add healthcare expenses to houses that are underwater I see a recipe for disaster and families being wiped out. It was that way before and your healthcare won't have help it at all. It was a pure money grab and everyone knows it.
ChesusRice
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Our ruling
In ruling on this statement, we understand that the Obama administration would hardly admit to it if it were giving unions special treatment. But looking at the numbers of waivers that have been given to both union and non-union groups, we don’t see any pattern that would support a case for special treatment. The number of waivers are a small sample of all health plans, and many more waivers were given to big companies and corporations. We looked for additional information or evidence on this point and didn’t find it.
But there are additional problems with the ad. The ad doesn’t mention that the waivers only apply to annual coverage limits, that they’re intended to be in place only until 2014 and that many for-profit companies have received the same waivers. It gives the impression that unions are entirely exempt from the health care law, which they are not.
Because the ad gives the impression that unions are exempt from the entire law, and because it’s evidence for special treatment is so thin, we rate this claim Pants on Fire.
In ruling on this statement, we understand that the Obama administration would hardly admit to it if it were giving unions special treatment. But looking at the numbers of waivers that have been given to both union and non-union groups, we don’t see any pattern that would support a case for special treatment. The number of waivers are a small sample of all health plans, and many more waivers were given to big companies and corporations. We looked for additional information or evidence on this point and didn’t find it.
But there are additional problems with the ad. The ad doesn’t mention that the waivers only apply to annual coverage limits, that they’re intended to be in place only until 2014 and that many for-profit companies have received the same waivers. It gives the impression that unions are entirely exempt from the health care law, which they are not.
Because the ad gives the impression that unions are exempt from the entire law, and because it’s evidence for special treatment is so thin, we rate this claim Pants on Fire.
"As of 2014, the waivers will no longer be available -- at least, that's the way the law is written. It is worth noting that there are 166 union benefits funds now exempted from this requirement, which account for about 40 percent of the exempted workers. This means that although there are only 14.6 million unionized employees in the United States, and 860,000 of them are already exempted from this provision of Obamacare."
http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/140112
Winter Woman
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Who's ruling? I'm confused. Doesn't sound like a court doc.
ChesusRice
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So you admit
1 the waivers went to those who applied and most of them are not in unions
2 it is only for one year
Now what you are not saying is what the exemption is for
Can you at least do that?
Mr Neutron
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It's customary, not to mention proper etiquette, to supply a source or a link when quoting, otherwise people might think these are your own thoughts.
ChesusRice
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/may/23/crossroads-gps/unions-dont-have-comply-obamacare-says-crossroads-/
"Unions don’t have to comply with Obamacare."
The health care law phases out annual benefit limits so that people wouldn’t be caught without coverage, according to the HHS. The phase-out started this year, with new rules saying that all insurance plans must offer at least $750,000 in payouts per year. The number goes up every year so that by 2014 no caps at all will be allowed.
Last year, though, companies started complaining, saying that if they had to meet the new requirements, they would either have to increase premiums paid by their employees or end coverage altogether. The Obama administration didn’t want that to happen, so they started granting waivers to the new rule. The waivers would be granted to health plans annually until 2014, according to the HHS, when people will be able to buy standard health insurance policies using new state-based "exchanges." That same year, low-wage workers will be eligible for tax credits to help them buy insurance.
"It is essential that we make sure that Americans who have insurance today – even if that insurance is highly limited – can keep that coverage until reforms take effect that will increase their ability to choose among comprehensive, affordable insurance options in 2014," said Steven Larsen, who oversees the waiver process, in testimony before Congress in March.
So far, employers like McDonald’s, Jack in the Box, Cracker Barrel and O’Reilly Auto Parts have successfully applied for waivers for their health plans. Other approved applicants include Sunview Vineyards of California, Securitas Security Services USA, Mesa Air Group and Dish Network. (See all the approved applications here.) There are also several union health plans, which are the basis for the claims in the Crossroads ad.
We contacted the HHS and asked for the number of waivers they’ve granted so far. A spokeswoman told us that they have approved 1,372 applications and denied 92. Of the approved applications, 27 represent unions and another 315 represent plans jointly managed by unions and employers. Even if you took the broadest definition possible, counting all the joint plans as union plans, only 25 percent of the waivers have gone to unions. The rest have gone to plans offered by employers, insurance companies and other non-union groups.
To be clear, though, the waivers do not exempt these groups from the health care law. They only allow them to continue offering their current health plans with annual limits until 2014.
Just as I said and your own link verifies that over 700,000 union workers are exempt form Obamacare!
I guess you didn't read your own link.
ChesusRice
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Again you tiptoe around the fact
That no one is exempt from "obamacare" there is a exemption for one part of it that expires in 2014 for companys that apply 75% of those that got the one time exemption for one thing for one year are non union
Either admit that or just come out and say you are a liar