JustAnotherHead
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Yep. Some people get sick and die. Sucks, but that's life. Fuck 'em.
How would raising taxes affect you and our economy?
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abandonconflict
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Get sick already...
JustAnotherHead
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Die already, I need a new iPad.
Reduce the deficit?
Let me hear your theory on this, it ought to be an interesting one.
Between me, my wife and employees, I pay close to $5k a month for an HMO.
Now that the ACA is law, my employees can afford the 1% annual penalty tax of approx. $500
And I'm sure most small businesses like mine will do the same.
Our insurance company was getting about $58,000 a year for seven people, with the ACA fines (taxes) the federal government gets about $3,500 a year, where's the remaining $53,000 coming from?
abandonconflict
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You need to read the bill that got passed.
Until 2016, people opting out of insurance will have a 1% annual penalty tax imposed on them. An employee making $50k a year will have to pay $500 in taxes for the whole year.
The average annual cost of healthcare ins. in CA. is about $4,000, do the math dude, where's the extra money coming from?
LMAO I don't need to read the entire health bill to figure out this little charm and what I currently pay for healthcare.
You need to read my question, it's a reality bro!
abandonconflict
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Reality must be something different in bro format because your question is based on a misinterpretation of the bill.
Go ahead and set the record straight then.
Show me how a $13,000 family healthcare plan gets paid by a $2,000 tax.
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-06-28/politics/politics_obamacare-what-we-learned_1_individual-mandate-health-insurance-health-care?_s=PM:POLITICS
"Not obtaining insurance in 2014 will cost a person $95 or 1% of his or her income, whichever is higher. In 2015, it's $325, or 2% of income. For families, the penalty will be $285 per household or 1% of income, whichever is greater. By 2016, it goes up to $2,085 per family or 2.5% of income. Penalties will rise each year"
UncleBuck
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- Firms employing 50 or more people but not offering health insurance will also pay a shared responsibility requirement if the government has had to subsidize an employee's health care.[SUP][36][/SUP]
- Very small businesses will be able to get subsidies if they purchase insurance through an exchange.[SUP][37][/SUP]
UncleBuck
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lol. that's rich.
did you pull that out of your ass or mouth? i can't tell, they look the same to me.
my employer based health care plan at one of those kushy desk jobs was about $50 a month, $600 a year for basic coverage health care insurance.
my wife has her own. it's comprehensive, protects her wealth, and is extra expensive owing to her pre-existing condition. she pays about $225 a month for health care insurance.
if you were to total the cost of all her health care above and beyond her insurance bills, it would not come out to the $330+ per month that you claim it does.
how you came up with $330+ per month as the average rather than the top top top end is beyond me.
That's all fine and dandy, but it's not addressing the question of where is the extra money coming from.
Do the math sparky, the penalty tax is far, far less than a private healthcare plan.
$50 a month for healthcare insurance! Is this another one of your pay stub projects. LMAO
"The average cost of health insurance is difficult to measure precisely. The mean cost in 2008 of insurance from an employer was $4,700 per annum for an individual, and $17,700 per annum for a family of four, according to Kaiser Permanente."
$50 per month! What were they covering, your finger nails. ROTFLMAO
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UncleBuck
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UncleBuck
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first, i've shown that your numbers for health care insurance are 100% bogus. a basic plan is about $1k, not $4k, as you claim.
second, as i just cited, the extra money comes from you, the employer, for refusing to offer your employees the basic dignity of health care. if the government has to cover your 50+ employees instead of you, you pay for that cost. if you have less than 50 employees, you go through the exchange. the "exchange" that i got to choose from my private employer had cheaper plans than the one i chose. i could have gone down to $35 a month for cheapo basic 60/40 insurance, or up to $120 a month for premium 95/5 insurance. i chose the $50.34 a month plan.
an exchange will encourage competition, which i favor. my employer only offers so many options, why not favor an exchange with many more options? more competition is a tried and true free market alternative. it's exactly why i favor a public option.
UncleBuck
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they covered preventive care for a $15 co pay, which is now $0 thanks to obama care.
the only time in three years that i used them was when a muscle spasm in my back got so bad that i could not move or breathe without severe pain, much less work. i paid some small co-pay for muscle relaxers and never used them again. was laid off soon after. the timing seemed fishy, but they were a hostile employer.
Moses Mobetta
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I don't know what kind of insurance anyone could get for $25.00 a week or how much the employers contribution would be if that is all they paid, but in the year 2001- 2002 my basic policy through my Union was $4500.00 plus another $1500.00 for dental . That was good insurance. The better plan was $7500.00 and $2000.00 for dental. That was no emergency room fees or fees for any necessary operation. Our group rate has gone up since then due to prescription costs and other increases. For a single person.