haha, I didn't even spell the title correctly. I'm pretty new to the forum scene. I just made it so I didn't have to jump around from thread to thread just to stay in touch with you guys. But hey, let's make it interesting. I will just start a new thread when we can think of something good. I have a lot of different experiments going right now so I can put a few misconceptions away. I think everyone is running way more blue in their fixtures then they should be. My best runner has been the new one 4 red suns, 2 blue plus, 2 flora suns. And that is for veg. It may work fine for flower as well, but I really think it needs more red for flowering. My F & D just started to blast off today. I really like it when that happens after the first week of transferring the cuttings into the table. I always am like, WTF when are you going to grow? Then a week later it's like how about right now. I like having the Flora Suns in my fixture because they really make it a full spectrum without all the extra unnecessary green, yellow, and orange. I emailed Illumitex the other day to find out what and why they are using the wavelengths in their horti LED lamps. They are using 450nm, 550nm, 630nm, 660nm, and 730nm. The green is only used in small amounts and is used for plants that require more green like lettuce and shit. That's it. These people know what they are doing. They are the best LEDs for the horti scene right now. No one knows about them here in the states, but in Europe they are pretty popular already. They are scientist and they have their shit together. This Chinese LED scene in the states is bullshit and it has got to go. $4000 for a fucking Chinese made LED grow light with a bunch of bullshit 1w LEDs in 15 different bands..........what a fucking waste. There are only 5 wavelengths that matter(listed above). The way they have their matrix LEDs setup you can adjust the color output with a computer. So if you don't need the green you can dim it down. If you want more red for flower you just turn a knob. They aren't high power however, so it may get pretty spendy for a canna grow.