Optimal volume of nutrient solution

Rahz

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What would be the optimal volume of nutrient solution considering these parameters?

Single plant in deep water culture
Grow area: 5.5 square feet
Light used: 2' 8 bulb CFL panel (192 watt)
Solution change outs occur every 7 days

I realize more is always better, but what I'm curious about is what the smallest volume would be before significant reduction in plant size. I would expect there to be no noticeable difference between a 10 gallon and 20 gallon reservoir given 200 watts of light. But what about 6 gallon -vs- 3 gallon? Has anyone played with minimizing the amount of nutrient solution?
 

superstoner1

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going below a 5gal bucket size is just a ton more more. some plants can drink that in 2 days. bigger is better
 

Rahz

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5 liters is 1.3 gallons. So assuming the optimal water level was maintained, 1.3 gallons of nutrient solution would produce a plant of comparable size to one grown in 3+ gallons of nutrient solution?
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
5 liters is 1.3 gallons. So assuming the optimal water level was maintained, 1.3 gallons of nutrient solution would produce a plant of comparable size to one grown in 3+ gallons of nutrient solution?
Yep.

after you make a run using that small a res you will not do it again.
Wow, I've been running an op with 5L/plant for 15 years. I am pleased to finally know I'm doing it wrong and will sort that out straightaway.

You probably should let Canna know about your discovery. Those fools are telling everyone to use 5L/plant, too.
 

bigv1976

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Yep.



Wow, I've been running an op with 5L/plant for 15 years. I am pleased to finally know I'm doing it wrong and will sort that out straightaway.
Wow my plants use more than 5L per day each so I would definately have a hard time making that work.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Wow my plants use more than 5L per day each so I would definately have a hard time making that work.
uh- how big are these plants? They'd have to be 6+ foot trees to use 5L/day- and if they were that size, no commonly available artificial light would ever penetrate more than halfway through the canopy.

Care to revise that estimate?
 

bigv1976

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uh- how big are these plants? They'd have to be 6+ foot trees to use 5L/day- and if they were that size, no commonly available artificial light would ever penetrate more than halfway through the canopy.

Care to revise that estimate?
No they dont have to be 6' tall to use that much. I do not let my plants get over 36" and by the later part of flowering they are consuming AT LEAST 1 gallon per day.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
No they dont have to be 6' tall to use that much. I do not let my plants get over 36" and by the later part of flowering they are consuming AT LEAST 1 gallon per day.
No way a 36" plant will use a gallon a day. I think you probably have unicorns sneaking in during lights off & drinking your nute solution. But what would I know? I've only been growing dope for about a week.
 

bigv1976

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No way a 36" plant will use a gallon a day. I think you probably have unicorns sneaking in during lights off & drinking your nute solution. But what would I know? I've only been growing dope for about a week.
I am not sure what heaight really has to do with it. I have done scrogs that have drank twice that and the plants were 12" tall.
 

GreenThumbSucker

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uh- how big are these plants? They'd have to be 6+ foot trees to use 5L/day- and if they were that size, no commonly available artificial light would ever penetrate more than halfway through the canopy.

Care to revise that estimate?
We are currently running a DWC system using 27 gallon tough box totes. Each tote holds one plant. The room is 5 x 12 feet with four 1000 w lamps. There is one tough box under each lamp. The system is connected together with 3/4 inch poly hose and connected to a reservoir. The reservoir has an auto-top off system, and the system circulates continually. During flowering the system uses between 15 - 20 gallons per day. That is 4 - 5 gallons per day per plant.

We average 1 - 1.5 lbs per plant. When the plants are ripe, some of the tough boxes are so completely filled with roots that it is one big block of roots. Because the boxes are so wide, the plants grow horizontally faster than they grow vertically. Because of the horizontal growth, the four plants fill the whole room wall to wall, but the height is only about 4 - 4 1/2 feet when they are done. I top them one day before I initiate flowering. The wider root system gives wider buds. The nugs are the size of golf balls and bigger when dry. My experience with DWC is the smaller the container, the taller the plant. The bigger/wider the container, the wider the plant, and the wider the buds. Of course, in the end the yield is proportional to the amount of light the plant recieves. I like only having to mess with four plants instead of the 15 I had before. I also like the golf ball/tennis ball sized nugs, very easy to trim.

The main problem I have with this system is cooling and aeration. Because the boxes are so wide I use two 8 inch flat disc airstones per box. I use 3/8 inch tubing between the pump and the stones rather than the 1/4 inch that comes with the pump. I use a 110 liter per minute airpump between the four boxes. http://www.hydroponics.net/i/133881
This delivers so much aeration that my solution level rises about 3 inches from all the air in the water. Hyper aeration. Even though my system is running temps in the mid 70s, I have had no root rot with this much aeration. I also use a shot of H2o2 every day to keep things sterile. Before I used two of the little cylinder shaped airstones, but the roots only filled about 1/3 of the tub and I had occasional root rot problems. I am now in the process of figuring out how to chill the system. I may just insulate the boxes and the reservoir and use some sort of simple chilling system.

They vegetate for about 30 days in this system.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
A 4.5 foot plant that yields on the order of 1-1.5lb can be reasonably expected to use a lot of water. That's a monster.

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This is tray no. 4 in my SoG system, for plants in weeks 6-8 (in week 6 as pictured). Yield off this tray will be about 1lb & a bit. There's 24x ~30" plants per tray and they'll use about 60L from the 120L tank (5L/plant) in 2 weeks, or about 180ml/ea/day.

Canna's infosheet on nutrient reservoirs states:

Nutrient reservoir

The nutrient reservoir in recirculating systems must be checked regularly and topped up, or renewed, when necessary.

This is necessary to prevent shortages and build-ups of salts.
The frequency with which the solution has to be renewed depends on how intensive the cultivation process is and the size of the nutrient reservoir. The nutrient reservoir must contain at least 5 liters per plant. The more nutrient there is available for the plants, the smaller any fluctuations in the pH and EC will be.
I think Canna were intending this instruction for SoG systems, which feature relatively small (~750mm (~30") or so) plants. SoG is the most popular style of growing for obvious reasons, mainly highest possible productivity per sq ft of lighted floor space and uniformly high density buds due to most of the flowering mass being within about 1m of the lamp.
 

superstoner1

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i never said u did anything wrong al, so pull your panties out. i just stated that it is a lot more work when using a smaller res. i can go a week and not worry about levels or ph. ive done small, bigger is easier. lots of ways to do things, just remeber, a closed mind should have a closed mouth.
 

Rahz

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In GreenThumbSuckers scenario I'm guessing the 27 gallon tote holds around 20 gallons of nutrient solution? If so, this would be 1.33 gallons per square foot assuming 15 square feet per plant.

1 Square foot
Nutrient solution - 1.33 gallons
Light - 50 watts

Comparison grow: 6 gallons in a 5.5 square foot chamber using a 200 watt CFL.

1 Square foot
Nutrient solution - 1.1 gallons
Light - 36 watts

Using 5 liters per plant would follow this trend assuming each plant had one square foot of growing space giving 1.3 gallons per foot. In this case, 15 plants in 15 feet of space would use 20 gallons, almost the same as my rough estimate of 20 gallons per plant per 15 feet in GreenThumbs grow.

If all of that is mostly right it means the 6 gallon reservoir I originally used was a good choice, and it's probably best not to go much smaller all other things considered.
 
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