Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

[Daemonn789]

Wonder about genetic stability over time from the grafting... I don't know enough to comment!

 

[blueJ]

Don't know if anyone's had grafted cannabis long enough to factually comment on that! Theoretically it shouldn't be any different than keeping regular moms once established.....

WitchDR, i meant to ask, what OGK are you running, seed or clone, & are you happy with it? I've been meaning to add an OG to my lineup, patients always request, but i refuse to buy clones as i don't know anyone/place that i trust, and at the same time i don't know what seeds are reputable. i was thinking of trying one of the reserva privada OG18? Or this one on seedbay called Flamethrower OG (white fire x fire OG.... i think))

 

[+ WitchDoctor +]

lookin' forward to seeing some of your side by sides witchdoctor! Soon i will be able to dedicate more time to actually documenting and experimenting etc.. I've been running a sour bubble clone for a year now, on mom # 2, i can't seem to bonsai them for ages like others, so i will be able to see what a crop on GO biothrive produces vs. all my prior biocanna runs.

I've seen and read up on the grafting and know of others doing it successfully with 3 or four strains on the same mom, again, something i would love to try myself down the road. Just don't forget to carefully label which one is which! I mixed up two phenos recently and have a whole crop that suprised the hell out of me been keeping a mom of the wrong one this whole time ha!

I just did that with wonder woman lol. I had 3 phenos and two were awesome and I accidentally only saved clones from the one I didn't like lol.

Don't know if anyone's had grafted cannabis long enough to factually comment on that! Theoretically it shouldn't be any different than keeping regular moms once established.....

WitchDR, i meant to ask, what OGK are you running, seed or clone, & are you happy with it? I've been meaning to add an OG to my lineup, patients always request, but i refuse to buy clones as i don't know anyone/place that i trust, and at the same time i don't know what seeds are reputable. i was thinking of trying one of the reserva privada OG18? Or this one on seedbay called Flamethrower OG (white fire x fire OG.... i think))

I got a OG Kush, Blue Dream, and Strawberry Cough clone right before they outlawed dispensaries in MI. I'm pretty sure they were all from feminized seed, because they Strawberry cough keeps showing pistils in veg, without any stress or light change....so I'm not breeding with them...

But the OG and the Blue Dream clones have performed spectacular for me. I'm very happy with both. And I just started smoking the Blue Dream, it is SOOOO appropriately named, I love it. I'm gonna harvest the OG next week, it'll be the first ones, they look pretty good, I'll post some pics. The buds aren't huge but I hear they aren't supposed to be. I've hardly been using any phosphates, more out of laziness than anything lol, that 0 10 0 is annoying to work with.

I heard it was a really sensitive strain and gave growers problems, but I fed double strength with teas just like the rest of them, and I didn't do any special research or anything, so I think it's just a plant that doesn't wanna be grown with chemicals and likes to put up a fight

 

[Wolverine97]

I just did that with wonder woman lol. I had 3 phenos and two were awesome and I accidentally only saved clones from the one I didn't like lol.



I got a OG Kush, Blue Dream, and Strawberry Cough clone right before they outlawed dispensaries in MI. I'm pretty sure they were all from feminized seed, because they Strawberry cough keeps showing pistils in veg, without any stress or light change....so I'm not breeding with them...

But the OG and the Blue Dream clones have performed spectacular for me. I'm very happy with both. And I just started smoking the Blue Dream, it is SOOOO appropriately named, I love it. I'm gonna harvest the OG next week, it'll be the first ones, they look pretty good, I'll post some pics. The buds aren't huge but I hear they aren't supposed to be. I've hardly been using any phosphates, more out of laziness than anything lol, that 0 10 0 is annoying to work with.

I heard it was a really sensitive strain and gave growers problems, but I fed double strength with teas just like the rest of them, and I didn't do any special research or anything, so I think it's just a plant that doesn't wanna be grown with chemicals and likes to put up a fight

Not sure what part of the state you're in, but there are still dispensaries around.

 

[Dank Raptor]

dank raptor - not true - biocanna has only been pulled from shelves for relabeling........unless they've all been lying to me lol, wouldn't surprise me ha!

In socal i go to green coast hydro, they had a few on the shelves and they said the rep wasn't back with the bulk of their products relabled, one on the shelf happened to be the big brown jug of flores...

I hope that is true. What I was told by a sales rep was that California demanded info about the ingredients from BioCanna. BioCanna refused to give them the recipe because it is a trade secret. I was told that California will no longer stock them and possibly the whole US is next. If you got to their website and try to find a retailer it lists every state except California now. This leads me to believe that what I was told was true.

 

[+ WitchDoctor +]

Not sure what part of the state you're in, but there are still dispensaries around.

I don't mind going to a few in Ann Arbor, but it's harder to get clones now...probably less people willing to donate I guess. But I have one of them on my facebook, and every time I see them post that they have some that I'd want, they're gone already by the time I see it. And I'm on my computer half the day lol.

I offered 24 ever 2 weeks to one, and they don't even said they don't even wanna mess with clones anymore.

But I kinda like growing from seed now. I like the idea that my Jilly Bean seeds I just germinated a few weeks ago came from an organic breeder, and will always be organic when I get them...but that's probably obsessive.

I'm sure they're gonna get enough signatures to get it on the ballot in November though...let's just hope enough people are tired of watching their kids get locked up for smoking a plant.

 

[Wolverine97]

I don't mind going to a few in Ann Arbor, but it's harder to get clones now...probably less people willing to donate I guess. But I have one of them on my facebook, and every time I see them post that they have some that I'd want, they're gone already by the time I see it. And I'm on my computer half the day lol.

I offered 24 ever 2 weeks to one, and they don't even said they don't even wanna mess with clones anymore.

But I kinda like growing from seed now. I like the idea that my Jilly Bean seeds I just germinated a few weeks ago came from an organic breeder, and will always be organic when I get them...but that's probably obsessive.

I'm sure they're gonna get enough signatures to get it on the ballot in November though...let's just hope enough people are tired of watching their kids get locked up for smoking a plant.

Yeah, clone availability is spotty at most places and honestly there are very few that I'd trust anyhow. Starting from seed is always nice when possible, that way you can pick the mother you want and keep that around.

On the ballot initiative, I really don't know what I'm going to do. Without careful foresight something like that can have a lot of unintended consequences, I'd hate to see big ag type companies come in and push price over quality. I could see large companies with massive resources pushing a lot of small time people out of business, narrowing the gene pool available, and using unsustainable agricultural methods to produce the cannabis.

For myself I think that de-criminalizing is the way to go that gives everyone easy access but avoids a lot of the pitfalls that a shortsighted legalization measure could come with. I always try to keep in mind the old adage; be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

 

[+ WitchDoctor +]

To be honest, I can't even imagine how the FED is going to take it if more than one state goes for it. I mean, they could just police the shit out of one state if they wanted to, but 3 or 4 or 5 states would probably be a bit of a pickle for them.

But yea, I actually have fun finding out what phenotypes I like, I had no idea before that it was common to get 2 or 3 phenos out of 5 seeds.

 

[Wolverine97]

To be honest, I can't even imagine how the FED is going to take it if more than one state goes for it. I mean, they could just police the shit out of one state if they wanted to, but 3 or 4 or 5 states would probably be a bit of a pickle for them.

But yea, I actually have fun finding out what phenotypes I like, I had no idea before that it was common to get 2 or 3 phenos out of 5 seeds.

I think the reason you see so much variation in phenotype these days is because the bulk of the "breeders" out there are nothing more than pollen chuckers, using little if any selection methods, and the same goes for testing. It's all about a quick buck these days.

 

[Dank Raptor]

For myself I think that de-criminalizing is the way to go that gives everyone easy access but avoids a lot of the pitfalls that a shortsighted legalization measure could come with. I always try to keep in mind the old adage; be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

Finally someone with some sense. Decriminalize don't legalize. If u think you can compete with corporate America your a joke. The price per pound won't even cover your electricity costs if marijuana is legalized.

 

[+ WitchDoctor +]

Finally someone with some sense. Decriminalize don't legalize. If u think you can compete with corporate America your a joke. The price per pound won't even cover your electricity costs if marijuana is legalized.

Oh, I'm not growing for any kind of profit, but yea I guess I could see how that would hurt people who are. I forget sometimes that there's a big difference between legalization and decriminalization. I guess my mind just tells me that it's not possible to be a criminal for 12 years and then just suddenly not be a criminal anymore...I mean, do I get an apology letter from the courts? Lol.

I definitely don't want big business to be able to profit off of Cannabis though, they absolutely don't deserve to. So I guess I'm for decriminalization as well.

 

[dickkhead]

Yea there's no competing if it does get legalized! Philip Morris bought a 100 acres in California in the anticipation of the legalization of grass

 

[NightbirdX]

Good to see some buzz on here from my time away. About the biocanna dilemma, i am already looking for a suitable replacement for it. It is too inconsistent and soft even in an organic soil run. The only thing I find it good for is the Potassium. I supplement for everything else or add it to my soil. Thinking about tryin GO, botanicare, or The NN line. I also have. Batch of supersoil ready to go that I may throw in there.


In the end, BioCanna is a good idea, but very incomPlete. I end up using more NN nitrogen, and Budswell than flores, so why use it isn't all I guess. And their customer service is on par with Hell's. I think they outsource it to India, Lol

 

[Dank Raptor]

I decided to switch them over to Earth juice. I also am tired of Bio Cannas incompleteness. Also, they are taxin a little too much for those jugs. Anyone here grown with Earth juice?

 

[+ WitchDoctor +]

I'm stickin with the Flores, it's not as bad if I buy 5 liters...but I'm floored about how much I'm going to save using the Bio Bud instead of the Bio Boost.

Lol about their customer service. I always send emails, I get anxiety trying to talk to people in India.

If tried GO, but if anyone finds a vegan nute to replace vega and flores that's also OMRI and has good results, I'm open to trying it for sure.

 

[Kalyx]

Dank Raptor

I decided to switch them over to Earth juice. I also am tired of Bio Cannas incompleteness. Also, they are taxin a little too much for those jugs. Anyone here grown with Earth juice?​

Good call DR. Especially if you take this guys word (and both qualitative and quantitative data) for it. This detailed! Nutrient Report comparison (and of course this thread) is what convinced me to take the plunge into the expensive BioCanna line. Awesome reference and good additive discussion IMO. Earth juice holds its own tho and is the only one that yields a higher brix reading than BioCanna. I personally haven't tried it YET. Also lots of info regarding GO vs. all the rest too. Great reading @

https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/threads/finding-my-nutes-nutrient-report.14969/


Danks SO MUCH to BayArea for 1) PAYING ATTENTION TO DETAILS 2)KEEPING TRACK OF THEM 3)POSTING this kind of detailed side by side testing for all of us to learn from! TONS of +++REP! It motivates me to document and share more effectively!

I already have the Biomin Ca and Mg(plus Fulvic) additives ordered up and my shop is now stocking them because they are affordable and OMRI. Plus we wont have to use any NN or other N boosters (I've been running Nitrex and it works well) as the Biomins contain nitrogen as well. NICE!

Do you think we can yield well doing organic vegan or what? I've seen it done by Matt although he states he's a quality over quantity grower like myself.

 

[Dank Raptor]

Kalyx that article is great. Written by someone who is truly on top of their game.

 

[+ WitchDoctor +]

Do you think we can yield well doing organic vegan or what? I've seen it done by Matt although he states he's a quality over quantity grower like myself.

I'm not there yet. I've been averaging 400 grams under 600 watts with no light mover...and I use to average around 450...and my techniques are better now. But I'm hardly using phosphates to be honest.

By the way...my pot has been tasting more like candy lately. I started using 75% coco in my mix in the winter, but I also started using homemade compost sources in my teas around the same time, and they smell very very sweet usually. I've heard that growing in coco can make it taste like coco, but I assume that only applies to plants touching the coco. Anybody have thoughts? Maybe from using less rock phosphate?

 

[Wolverine97]

Do you think we can yield well doing organic vegan or what? I've seen it done by Matt although he states he's a quality over quantity grower like myself.

Personally, I generally do pretty well in the yield dept using the GO lineup with a few other additives. This latest crop excluded (I had a lazy spell) I average between 1-1.25 gpw. Quality is pretty much second to none. It can be done.

 

[trichmasta]

I'm gonna do a side by side comparison with what i ran this time and supersoil, 6 ladies in each No complaints with any aspect, just wanna compare growth, costs, resin glands, etc, to bring my patients the best quality medicine possible!!

VEG-NN line(N,P,K) Organa ADD, Hygrozyme, a.c.t,
Flower-All the above +CaMg, Soluble Seaweed, and Humboldt Bloom 0-10-0