Vaporizing Really That Good?

poplars

Well-Known Member
The financial support for most of this research comes from your tax dollars (or it would if you actually had a job and were paying Federal income taxes). Some comes from independent foundations.

Are you actually claiming that its impossible for any medical study on cannabis to be taken seriously, unless its conducted by people who are biased TOWARDS cannabis?

That's an "interesting" position.

I guess you don't believe all that malarkey about cigarettes causing cancer or emphysema either, since all those studies were conducted by biased gov't and privately funded anti-tobacco researchers. The only research one should believe about smoking is that published by the tobacco industry, correct? Although, I have to say, at this point even THEY say you should trust the "biased" literature!


At least these researchers are publishing actual data they've collected doing actual tests on actual smokers.

All you're "publishing" is hot air and invective, and you've got the nerve to accuse THEM of professional misrepresentation?

These doctors have undoubtedly forgotten more about lung disease than you'll ever know!


You mean, YOU'RE using "biased studies" since YOU were the one who started by posting that article from JAMA! (IE, the one you didn't read or understand).

But I get it now. Cannabis studies are only "biased" when they find health risks associated with smoking cannabis. If they show no risk, then by definition they're fine.

Let me ask you one more question (that you probably also won't answer).

Do you believe that using a vaporizer instead of smoking can help reduce the risk of lung injury from cannabis?

A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice.

until cannabis is fully legalized and is not a politically incorrect issue, I will not believe most of the mainstream studies.

and yes, I do believe it can help reduce the risk of lung injury.

and as you should already know, there is no such thing as a simple yes or no answer from me. I believe that it depends on the person and what they as an individual need and how they as an individual use and react to the cannabis.

I'll keep going and going if I have to, its not like I'm trying to convince YOU.
 

MyndMy

Active Member
Now if I could answer the original question. Yes I think a vaporizer is great, just can't afford one.
 

Jogro

Well-Known Member
until cannabis is fully legalized and is not a politically incorrect issue, I will not believe most of the mainstream studies.
I thought you said you were done with this topic? Guess not.

Anyway, this is a bunch of silly-talk.

You don't trust "most of the mainstream studies" on cannabis? OK. . .which "non-mainstream" studies WILL you trust? Can you cite any of those?

Yeah, I thought not.

Despite your posturing, its pretty obvious that you don't read medical journals, and you aren't conversant with the medical literature on cannabis. You cited one study, didn't understand what it meant, and then after I pointed out that it said the exact opposite of what you claimed it said, now you're claiming you don't trust the medical literature (ie that you yourself posted). It took me all of ten seconds to find 3-4 studies that directly contradicted your bulls@#t assertions that "there is no evidence" that cannabis use is associated with chronic bronchitis and other lung diseases.

If you truly don't believe "the mainstream studies", then why did you cite one? Were you deliberately being intellectually dishonest, or did you simply change your mind about cannabis studies, after you realized that most of them show actual medical risk from smoking cannabis?

Either way, since you clearly aren't reading the medical literature then you haven't earned the right to determine that "most" of this literature is good or no good, let alone comment on which studies are mainstream and which are not. Its perfectly fine to have "opinions", but if your opinions are based on nothing more than wishful thinking or misinterpretation, they're not going to be particularly valuable, are they?

Next, by your logic, its impossible to trust any medical literature published on any illegal drug: heroin, crack, etc. Again, this is just more silly talk. The fact that a particular drug may or may not be illegal doesn't by itself mean that every researcher studying it is biased or intellectually dishonest, let alone that their collective research findings are invalid.

In case you haven't noticed (and I know you haven't. . .see above), *MANY* of the individuals doing research on cannabis are actually PRO-cannabis. Does that mean we CAN trust them? What if the openly PRO-cannabis researchers find the same findings as the anti-cannabis ones?

One your next point, cannabis effectively is a legal prescription drug RIGHT NOW in more than a dozen US States, and actual doctors prescribe it EVERY DAY to sick people. Its also of varying legal status all over the world. So there are plenty of good reasons for actual researchers of good intent to do real objective research on the medical effects of cannabis as a drug, just to see what the risks/benefits are to their own patients.

Like any recreational drug, cannabis is ALWAYS going to be controversial. If you're waiting for there to be a universal consensus on the value of cannabis before you trust the literature, you're never going to be able to trust ANY "mainstream" study on cannabis, ever! In fact, the WHOLE POINT of research is to try and resolve controversy. If all the safety profiles of cannabis were established beyond any doubt, nobody would be doing any new research in that area, would they?

and as you should already know, there is no such thing as a simple yes or no answer from me. I believe that it depends on the person and what they as an individual need and how they as an individual use and react to the cannabis.
Yeah, clearly you're full of "nuance".


I'll keep going and going if I have to, its not like I'm trying to convince YOU.
Well, you have convinced me that you're full of hot air, so that's something.

At least you've admitted that vaporizers can offer health benefits in comparison to smoking.

What else are you trying to accomplish with your spinning?
 

poplars

Well-Known Member
I'm sorry I don't make a habit of reading posts from people who insist on writing books. I"m sure to most everyone who reads what I say, my point is clear to them. they will either agree or disagree. your anal-retentive picking-apart of all my points will not invalidate them. but do continue to waste your time. I've seen your posts al around this site, so atleast if you're wasting your time over-analyzing my posts you wont be doing it to somebody elses....
 

jujubee

Active Member
btw, when i changed to vaporizing i noticed a huge difference in my breathing. I never run out of breath anymore.
This.

When I was smoking, I would hack up black stuff. And I was mostly using a bong.

I can run 12 miles now. I am pretty sure I could not do that if I was still smoking.
 

Zeplike

Active Member
for those that already have a nice bong and want the best of both worlds just get the Herb Iron with a vape attachment ;)
 

missnu

Well-Known Member
Somewhere in-between is an awfully wide range. The ones I've seen locally had a dial where you could set the temp. you wanted. The problem I've had is not knowing what the proper temp. for vaping is?
I vape with my arizer set at 392...which is what it is set to, but where it takes the temp is hotter than the bowl part where you put the stuff, so you turn it a little higher than what you want...nothing ever burns, unless I sit on the remote...in which case I have accidentally and unknowingly turned the temp to 500 and incinerated everything inside the bowl...looked cool as shit too...like the whole inside of the little glass thing was just glowing red...I was freaking out, til I saw the temp reading...and then I had to wonder why would you need this thing to go to 500 degrees? I guess for destroying personal documents? I don't know...anyway watch out and don't turn it up too high, but just mess with it...If you turn it up too high then you get that weird burnt popcorn taste..so put it as low as you can and still get enough vapor to do anything...
 

missnu

Well-Known Member
and on your other points....

humans have been smoking since the stone age... so yes I would be inclined to think to an extent our lungs can handle smoke. method and technique, aswell as product and QUALITY of product, matter greatly.

your subjective experiences with your friends having lung problems mean nothing to me, for all I know they take huge rips while they have a respratory infection (the common cold...) and likely don't always have access to their own home grown organic herb that was cured well. and who knows they may also smoke exclusively with a butane fueled lighter (which likely has benzene in it) and suckin in huge rips of that.


so yeah, I think it is you who is in denial about how bad weed is. you're letting pop culture bullshit and shitty info from friends that likely don't know exactly /how/ that weed was grown.
People also used to have an average height of 5 feet and only live 30 years...jesus man think about what you are saying!
 

missnu

Well-Known Member
Dear god..talking to this guy is like talking to a rock...simple anatomy and biology..anytime something is on fire carbon monoxide is created...and it is bad to breathe in..chronic inhalation of any amount of carbon monoxide can cause long term lung health and also heart risks...so that is that...there is no need to keep arguing...anytime you breathe smoke it is bad...I mean even when a vegan's house catches fire you don't want to be there breathing in the smoke, even if everything they owned was all natural and pesticide free....
 

mantiszn

Well-Known Member
Smoked vegan, with a bit of hot sauce

Dear god..talking to this guy is like talking to a rock...simple anatomy and biology..anytime something is on fire carbon monoxide is created...and it is bad to breathe in..chronic inhalation of any amount of carbon monoxide can cause long term lung health and also heart risks...so that is that...there is no need to keep arguing...anytime you breathe smoke it is bad...I mean even when a vegan's house catches fire you don't want to be there breathing in the smoke, even if everything they owned was all natural and pesticide free....
 

BA142

Well-Known Member
I'm breaking down and finally buying one today. 5 years of smoking hasn't really hurt my lung function at all, but I have acid reflux and smoking is starting to irritate that. I'll still take bong rips every once in a while but I want to quit smoking for a bit and see how much better vaping really is.
 

Jogro

Well-Known Member
then I had to wonder why would you need this thing to go to 500 degrees?
Its a good question.

If you think THAT's crazy, the Silver Surfer/Buddha vapes supposedly go to 900F!

I think at least part of the answer is that with a whip-style vaporizer the actual temperature your herb reaches is dependent not on just how hot you have the vaporizer set, but also on how much the heat of the element is diluted by air when you take a hit.

More simply, with the vape set at "X" degrees, a *SLOW* hit will heat the herb to a higher temperature than a fast hit, because fast-moving air travelling over the heating element won't get as hot as slow-moving air.

So even if your vape is set at 450 degrees, for example, that doesn't necessarily mean that the actual herb is getting that hot when you inhale.

Also, as a minor issue, with hot air running over a column of dried plant material in your bowl, by the time the hot air gets through the column to the weed at the FAR end of the bowl, it won't be quite as hot as when it first hit the front of the bowl. Any space between where the temp is measured and where the heated air column hits the actual weed will also reduce the temperature, if only by a miniscule amount.

Bottom line, you do want your vape element to be able to get hotter than the actual temp you want to heat your weed to.

500F in particular doesn't seems so "crazy" to me, since its only around 50 degrees higher than a typical combustion temperature of 450F, and I guess you might want to actually combust your weed, or go *just* short of that. Note that the burning "cherry" on a cigarette will typically get to over 1000F in temperature!

On the Silver Surfer/Buddha vape, I think one advantage to having the thing go to 900F is just speed of heating.

No, you're not ever going to actually vape anything at 900F, but if you set the unit that high, it should get to the just under 400F operating temperature in about a minute. So in practice, if you plug the thing in and crank it to "11", by the time you're done grinding and packing your bowl, you're instantly ready to vape (at any lower temp). Having an element *capable* of sustaining 900F temperatures also probably means its pretty durable and will be able to sustain "mere" 400F temperatures nearly indefinitely.
 

TexRx

New Member
Vaporizing helped me kick cigarettes and now it keeps me highly medicated! That carbon ash taste is gone for good!

I have an SSV and it's awesome! Very reliable! I can leave it on for days and no have any issue!! It's totally worth the extra price
 

TexRx

New Member
^^^^ The SSV is very well designed! The air flow bypasses the electronics! The heating element is ceramic! The angle of the bowl when vaping will be up and never spill! The screen is super easy to change compared to my old vapor bros.! The bowl is small so you can better conserve your herb! The silicon tubing is thicker than standard tubing for better air flow. Plus it heats up in just a few minutes!! The custom glass on it makes it feel special!! The dial setting for temperature is gonna be between 12 o'clock and 3:00. I'm finding I like my temp set at 1:30. At 3, I start to risk combustion!! I think 12 is too a little too low. I had to experiment a little to find the right temp!
 

BA142

Well-Known Member
Woo I am officially never smoking again....SSV came in the mail today and i'm loving it already...this hash is so tasty

edit: wow it's only been 2 days of no combustion and my lungs already feel more clear...dunno if that's placebo or if my lungs just really appreciate the lack of smoke :dunce:
 

sidewing

Well-Known Member
the vapor genie glass model is the best vaporizer in my opinion, you can guage your rips perfectly. perfect vape rips all day and its mobile.
 

badmojo420

Well-Known Member
the vapor genie glass model is the best vaporizer in my opinion, you can guage your rips perfectly. perfect vape rips all day and its mobile.
Never used the glass ones but the wood ones are totally legit. Best vape ive ever used... Ill never buy an electronic vape after using a vape genie.

Edit: Unless $560 happens to fall in my lap to buy a volcano.
 

BA142

Well-Known Member
I've been using my SSV for about 2 weeks now (no combustion) and my lungs feel fucking great....I don't know why I didn't do this sooner. Everyone should invest in a good vape.
 
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