When buds produce seeds....

Cobnobuler

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Greetings again all-

I hope I am not becoming a nuisance with my questions, but I've found that by reading, and asking questions of people with experience, this is how I have been able to increase my ability to successfully grow these wonderful specimens.
I am in the midst of a perpetual grow ( or some semblance of anyway) and yesterday to my dismay, when looking over my girls I have discovered the production of seeds within the buds of one of my Herijuana girls.
To provide some backround, this plant along with another in my flower tent are 2nd generation Herij's. In my first succesful run of this great strain we discovered 2 seeds in total from the first harvested plant, so I kept them and later planted them, and now here they are.

I am trying to figurre out the cause of this for one thing, and I also concerned about any effect if at all this would have on the other plants in my flower tent.

A few things to know:
The plant right now is at about 7 weeks of flower time and is about to head to the finish line.
There are no males in either my veg tent nor have I discovered any hermies in any of my plants. I am currently running plants that were either cloned from females or were feminized seeds.
When reseraching the cause of plants seeding I can eliminate some that I know of:
Stress- This girl hasnt been exposed to any traumatic injury or anything of that nature in fact shes been one of my better looking ladies
Genetics in general- Not the case here as I know the Herijuana to be a stable performer with legendary results. This is something I caused somehow
Light leaks- There are no windows in my grow room where 2 tents reside, and I am very careful about making sure my flower tent is closed up and lights out during its 12 hr sleep period.
I CAN think of 2 instances where I missed the schedule. The lights go out at midnight by timer, but I manually close up the tents right before the lights go out and on two instances, I was late to do so because I nodded off in a chair
The lights went off on time, but I didnt get the tent closed up and some light reflection from the vegging tent would have made its way in indirectly through the open front door. Once by about 15 minutes and one other time by about an hour.
Could this have been the cause? If not what else could cause this to happen? Will it have any effect on the others in the flower tent ? They are at different periods of flowering with my goal to be to harvest a plant every month or so.

Here is a few pics of her and in the first pic, if you look closely you can see some of the seed appearing.

I look forward to your input.

heriwseed3.jpg heriwseed2.jpg
 

jpockets420

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that light leak is what did it. It doesn't take much especially when they are in full flower to light stress them. WHat happens is they are on a schedule and everything is rocking then....when the lights go out and they are ready for sleep that veg tent with the light blaring snuck in there and wouldnt let them get to sleep. They said "OH FUCK" Im going to die, the world is ending...lemme pop a few male pods so I can save my genetics...so this is what happened. Usually its where you can't see the pods, right up against a main stalk hidden. It opens up pollinates that branch more pods form pollinating their branches causing a cascade effect. It doesnt take long for this to happen, a couple minutes and a few instances during flower. I had my light turn on on accident in the middle of the dark period for 30 minutes 1 time only and one of my plants turned hermie lol. Invest in dutch master reverse and when you have a light leak or interruption scan your plants daily for pods, if you see them reverse will revert it back to full female.
 

Sunbiz1

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Where did the original seeds come from?. Not many people grow heri, I happen to be among them. As an LR strain, herijuana has 2 different phenotypes...the first being an overpowering coffee smell/taste and the second being on the fruitier side. Yours appears to be the latter as opposed to the pic of mine which is the coffee dominant. The 2 occasions you listed were probably not enough light cycle interruption to cause self-pollination. My best guess is that particular pheno is prone to hermie, and I say guess b/c you should really be on Sannies/Eskobars forum asking these question...they post there and have extensive knowledge from working with this strain.

Also, judging by those yellow fans leaves it appears you have some nutrient issues.
 

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Coho

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sucks..I just got done with 2 nd headband grow. Beautiful and all but they just like to pop a nanner or two right in the buds. No stress or leaks. I picked em off. None of my other plants do it. I think its genetics in some cases. They try to selfpollinate when nothing is happening. Not growing it again.
 

skunkpunk13

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or the fact that the two seeds probly came from the plant herming a little bit at the later part f flowering there for both the seeds would be hermi u can use hermi pollen to produce seeds from another plant but if a plant self pollinates it will only produce hermis
 

Cobnobuler

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Where did the original seeds come from?. Not many people grow heri, I happen to be among them. As an LR strain, herijuana has 2 different phenotypes...the first being an overpowering coffee smell/taste and the second being on the fruitier side. Yours appears to be the latter as opposed to the pic of mine which is the coffee dominant. The 2 occasions you listed were probably not enough light cycle interruption to cause self-pollination. My best guess is that particular pheno is prone to hermie, and I say guess b/c you should really be on Sannies/Eskobars forum asking these question...they post there and have extensive knowledge from working with this strain.

Also, judging by those yellow fans leaves it appears you have some nutrient issues.
Wow a fellow Herij grower. Thats cool. These plants came from the 2 and only seeds that came from the original plant from a seed from Sannie. I have 2 of them flowering right now and they re as different as night and day. Still, as you know Heri is a steady genetically plant to grow, while one of mine has a bit of the danker coffee type smell, the other has a little more flowery aroma to it, but as is Herij's trait, they're not known for their smell, or pleasant taste but rather one of the most kick-ass strong strains out there.

Its funny that you mention Sannies message site, thats exactly what I've done. Its great for info on Sannie and Escobar seeds, but its relatively small in population and only a few people are responding to questions it seems. Great people though.

Again, does anyone think this will affect the other females in the flower tent?
 

Cobnobuler

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sucks..I just got done with 2 nd headband grow. Beautiful and all but they just like to pop a nanner or two right in the buds. No stress or leaks. I picked em off. None of my other plants do it. I think its genetics in some cases. They try to selfpollinate when nothing is happening. Not growing it again.
Yeah, these two plants I have flowering right now were the only 2 seeds found in the original run.
 

Cobnobuler

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that light leak is what did it. It doesn't take much especially when they are in full flower to light stress them. What happens is they are on a schedule and everything is rocking then....when the lights go out and they are ready for sleep that veg tent with the light blaring snuck in there and wouldnt let them get to sleep. They said "OH FUCK" Im going to die, the world is ending...lemme pop a few male pods so I can save my genetics...so this is what happened. Usually its where you can't see the pods, right up against a main stalk hidden. It opens up pollinates that branch more pods form pollinating their branches causing a cascade effect. It doesnt take long for this to happen, a couple minutes and a few instances during flower. I had my light turn on on accident in the middle of the dark period for 30 minutes 1 time only and one of my plants turned hermie lol. Invest in dutch master reverse and when you have a light leak or interruption scan your plants daily for pods, if you see them reverse will revert it back to full female.
Well, what your saying does make perfect sense. I have a hard time convincing people of this though. Seem have the argument that in the outdoors plants are exposed to all kinds of strange things that may happen to the lighting, and it doesnt mean they are automatically screwed and are going to all go to seed and the crops yield and potency are ruined. Its just hard to believe that from a practical standpoint.
I wish I could leave my flower tent closed at all times but its just impossible almost to run a 400watt light in a 3x3x5 tent and keep the heat down to a reasonable level.
Hopefully, its not polluted too bad. Tomorrow its been flowering 7 full weeks and this strain should finish up in about 60 days so it should be about finished.
 

Cobnobuler

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Try once more, looking for a quick answer here please.
Question: Is it ok to leave this plant in the flower tent with the others another week or so?
 

Sunbiz1

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Wow a fellow Herij grower. Thats cool. These plants came from the 2 and only seeds that came from the original plant from a seed from Sannie. I have 2 of them flowering right now and they re as different as night and day. Still, as you know Heri is a steady genetically plant to grow, while one of mine has a bit of the danker coffee type smell, the other has a little more flowery aroma to it, but as is Herij's trait, they're not known for their smell, or pleasant taste but rather one of the most kick-ass strong strains out there.

Its funny that you mention Sannies message site, thats exactly what I've done. Its great for info on Sannie and Escobar seeds, but its relatively small in population and only a few people are responding to questions it seems. Great people though.

Again, does anyone think this will affect the other females in the flower tent?
Their site is a PIA to use, took me an hour to figure out how to upload a photo...which is why hardly anyone uses it. Perhaps it was the light leak, just doesn't seem like enough interruption to cause an issue. I'll still guess phenotype.

The plant in question should be removed.
 

Cobnobuler

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Their site is a PIA to use, took me an hour to figure out how to upload a photo...which is why hardly anyone uses it. Perhaps it was the light leak, just doesn't seem like enough interruption to cause an issue. I'll still guess phenotype.

The plant in question should be removed.
Yeah it sure took me awhile too ! I have to open the site in 2 different tabs one just for pics to make it usable for me ! Ya'know since its already at 7 weeks flowering I think I will just pull it out of the flower tent today and park it somewhere else for awhile. As you know the Heri finishes up most of the time by the 8th week so it has to be close, and I dont think I can do much more to damage it at this point. I can use the room in the flower tent to bring another vegging plant in.

Yeah, I still dont have any definitive answers but I'm having a difficult time believing that just the slightest of a couple of misses on the light schedule by a half hour or so here and there is going to bring total destruction and devastation. I just dont believe it.

Thanks Sunbiz for your input and good to meet ya
 

Sunbiz1

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Yeah it sure took me awhile too ! I have to open the site in 2 different tabs one just for pics to make it usable for me ! Ya'know since its already at 7 weeks flowering I think I will just pull it out of the flower tent today and park it somewhere else for awhile. As you know the Heri finishes up most of the time by the 8th week so it has to be close, and I dont think I can do much more to damage it at this point. I can use the room in the flower tent to bring another vegging plant in.

Yeah, I still dont have any definitive answers but I'm having a difficult time believing that just the slightest of a couple of misses on the light schedule by a half hour or so here and there is going to bring total destruction and devastation. I just dont believe it.

Thanks Sunbiz for your input and good to meet ya
Mornin'

I just posted there under Sannies seed section, and still can't figure out how to post actual photos as opposed to links from my uploads. Da hell w/it...lol!. I would simply move that plant into a different room and finish her up in a dark closet. Of course, you would have to move her twice daily for a week or 2 on set time schedule. And save those beans, just b/c they came from a self-pollinated mother does not mean the offspring are prone to do the same. I grew out 20 seeds from a hermie mom last year, of those 20 16 were straight female showing no self-pollination tendencies, 3 were male, and the last produced 1 seed from a 9 foot plant. It's still somewhat of a crap shoot, but considering sannie was out of heri beans last I checked it's worth the extra effort.

Nice to meet U as well.
 

Cobnobuler

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Yeah I've been tryin to decide what to do with the beans this plant is making and I did notice its been awhile now since Sannie has been out of the Herijuana IBL seeds and people cant get them that want them. Maybe I will save them and keep them around after all.

Posting pictures there I guess you have to start a pic gallery there and then pull them from there onto other threads, at least thats the only way I could get anything to stick there.. :)
 

Sunbiz1

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Yeah I've been tryin to decide what to do with the beans this plant is making and I did notice its been awhile now since Sannie has been out of the Herijuana IBL seeds and people cant get them that want them. Maybe I will save them and keep them around after all.

Posting pictures there I guess you have to start a pic gallery there and then pull them from there onto other threads, at least thats the only way I could get anything to stick there.. :)
I'm waiting for my next female coffee strain(I like the smell/taste)to show-up, then I'll try my hand at cloning again...as of the moment I don't know what I have. Heri doesn't like being sexed on 12/12 from seed, so I'm vegging.
 

Cobnobuler

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I'm waiting for my next female coffee strain(I like the smell/taste)to show-up, then I'll try my hand at cloning again...as of the moment I don't know what I have. Heri doesn't like being sexed on 12/12 from seed, so I'm vegging.



So your vegging from a seed then ? So, if you clone then, you wont know if you have females or not correct ? If the plant turns female, then your gold with the clones right ?
I have one of Sannies Sugarpunch vegging right now and I think I'm gonna try cloning it the more I read about that strain. Its a feminized seed so I should be good if I can raise a clone that actually lives...:)
 

ru4r34l

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that light leak is what did it. It doesn't take much especially when they are in full flower to light stress them. WHat happens is they are on a schedule and everything is rocking then....when the lights go out and they are ready for sleep that veg tent with the light blaring snuck in there and wouldnt let them get to sleep. They said "OH FUCK" Im going to die, the world is ending...lemme pop a few male pods so I can save my genetics...so this is what happened. Usually its where you can't see the pods, right up against a main stalk hidden. It opens up pollinates that branch more pods form pollinating their branches causing a cascade effect. It doesnt take long for this to happen, a couple minutes and a few instances during flower. I had my light turn on on accident in the middle of the dark period for 30 minutes 1 time only and one of my plants turned hermie lol. Invest in dutch master reverse and when you have a light leak or interruption scan your plants daily for pods, if you see them reverse will revert it back to full female.
It was not the light leak, these things just happen sometimes.

regards,
 
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