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Florida woman DOES NOT kill her attacker, gets 20 years

smokinrav

smokinrav

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Ok, let me get this straight, Stand Your Ground in Fl. allows broad leeway to a citizen killing a person based on an actual threat or even a perceived threat. Seriously. So....if this woman had killed her husband she would have been good to go. But this is Florida. This is the South. :lol:
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(CBS News) JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - A Florida woman who fired warning shots against her allegedly abusive husband has been sentenced to 20 years in prison.
Marissa Alexander of Jacksonville had said the state's "Stand Your Ground" law should apply to her because she was defending herself against her allegedly abusive husband when she fired warning shots inside her home in August 2010. She told police it was to escape a brutal beating by her husband, against whom she had already taken out a protective order.
CBS Affiliate WETV reports that Circuit Court Judge James Daniel handed down the sentence Friday.

Under Florida's mandatory minimum sentencing requirements Alexander could receive a lesser sentence, even though she has never been in trouble with the law before. Judge Daniel said the law did not allow for extenuating or mitigating circumstances to reduce the sentence below the 20-year minimum.
"I really was crying in there," Marissa's 11-year-old daughter told WETV. "I didn't want to cry in court, but I just really feel hurt. I don't think this should have been happening."
Alexander was convicted of attempted murder after she rejected a plea deal for a three-year prison sentence. She said she did not believe she did anything wrong.

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Her husband, Rico Gray, a man with a documented history of abuse including an assault on her while she was pregnant, threatened to kill her nine days after the birth of their daughter. This time, Marissa wasn’t going to put up with another beating. When threatened, she fired a warning shot into the ceiling to let Gray know that the abuse was over and he’d better think twice before coming after her again.
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She was recently denied a new trial after appealing to the judge to reconsider her case based on Florida's controversial "Stand Your Ground" law. The law states that the victim of a crime does not have to attempt to run for safety and can immediately retaliate in self-defense.
Alexander's attorney said she was clearly defending herself and should not have to spend the next two decades behind bars.
Alexander's case has drawn support from domestic abuse advocates - and comparison to the case of neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, who has claimed a "Stand Your Ground" defense in his fatal shooting of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin.
 
canna_420

canna_420

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same as in UK if a man is down stairs you have to phone and sit tight.

Reliance in the system is the main objective
 
bullwinkle60

bullwinkle60

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She had to have done more than just fire shots into the ceiling to warrant attempted murder. Firing shots into the ceiling does not produce the requisite intent for attempted murder.
 
Lady.J

Lady.J

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This woman has a Masters degree, 3 kids, and has never been in trouble with the law. Her husband has a history of abuse against her (she has a restraining order against him), and even admitted that he verbally and physically abuses all FIVE of his baby's mothers. He told her he was going to kill her and she fired ONE warning shot in the air. The day before, a FL man got sentenced to 15 years for murder. How does a man get 15 for killing someone, and she fires a shot that harms no one and gets 20 years?? The worst part, she has three kids! She just had a baby who is less that two weeks old. I know it is normal to assume that she had to do more and that you're not getting the whole story, but injustice is a lot more prevalent that you know, even though we don't like to think about it. Read all the facts if you don't believe, this is truly a case of FUCKED UP.
 
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NoDrama

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Why do we punish people so severely when no victim exists? No one person suffered any kind of damage to body or property.

She would be free as a bird if she would have shot him dead.

Who the fuck stays with a man who has 5 other women on the side?
 
tip top toker

tip top toker

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NoDrama said:
Why do we punish people so severely when no victim exists? No one person suffered any kind of damage to body or property.
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So do you not consider someone a victim unless their is physical suffering? Seems to me it's a bit like saying that there is no such thing as a victim of racist abuse unless there was physical harm.
 
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Guitar guy

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The whole stand your ground law is fucked up. But I believe that if you are going to pull a gun, you should be ready to kill.

A couple years ago a kid stabbed another kid to death at the bus stop and got away with it because he tried to avoid his attacker but was still attacked. I'm sure if the kid just pulled a knife and threatened the attacker, he would be behind bars now
 
GreatwhiteNorth

GreatwhiteNorth

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tip top toker said:
So do you not consider someone a victim unless their is physical suffering? Seems to me it's a bit like saying that there is no such thing as a victim of racist abuse unless there was physical harm.
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I believe ND was referring to the woman being punished so severely when she caused no physical harm to the man.
 
tip top toker

tip top toker

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What he said was no victim exists as there was no harm to body or property. Hence my comment on how racist abuse must therefore not be a crime as there can as such be no victim unless the abuse is physical to body or property.

If he meant something else, then he should have stated something else, not that that there is not a victim unless harm to body or property. Harm to the mind can be just as damaging as harm to the body. If someone fired a gun towards me, even if it wasn't at me directly, i would want to see them rot in hell for all eternity. If you're firing a gun even at a ceiling, it's either firing a gun for absolutely no reason, or firing a gun to say take another step and the next one goes through you.
 
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NoDrama

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tip top toker said:
So do you not consider someone a victim unless their is physical suffering? Seems to me it's a bit like saying that there is no such thing as a victim of racist abuse unless there was physical harm.
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So are you trying to tell me that the husband is now a victim? I think you have it the wrong way around there buddy. The poor woman did not inflict years of mental abuse on her husband and then scare him shitless with a gunshot that wasn't even aimed at him. The Husband inflicted years of abuse on HER, she hurt no one. If this was not clear from the beginning then I apologize.

BTW NOWHERE did I say PHYSICAL abuse.
 
tip top toker

tip top toker

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Yes, she used a lethal weapon to instill fear. That seems like abuse to me, NO MATTER what the husband may have done in the past. I am not saying that either is right in their actions, they are both guilty parties so far as i am concerned.

One can argue that there was no need for her to fire the gun in the first place because he had not abused her and as such she was not a victim in that instance. If the issue is that the husband put years of mental abuse on her, then she should have fucking left, not let it build up to the point where she just pulls out a gun.

Fantastic attempt to twist some words on the racism point, lol, quite clear you are not worth debating with. But you are ABSOLUTELY right, if there is no harm t body or property then there cannot possibly be a victim.
 
tip top toker

tip top toker

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it's called a comparison. Or have you not noticed the words prior to those you have highlighted? Are you really this immature? You have stated that there can be no victim unless there is damage to body or property..
 
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NoDrama

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tip top toker said:
Yes, she used a lethal weapon to instill fear.
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She wasn't trying to instill fear, she was only demonstrating her compassion by not putting it between his eyes.

This only goes to show that if you are going to pull a gun on someone, it is almost always better to just blow them away, corpses don't go on the witness stand.
 
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