William (Willie) Wonder

840/2

Active Member
Years ago I had this a bunch and I LOVED IT! It tasted so freakin' good and made me feel like a lil' school girl having her first crush.

Oh yes, I am a dude....thats how yummy it is/was.

Anyway I've been on a quest to find her again. Found some crosses on Attitude and one actual breeder, Reeferman, however it is out of stock.


ANyone know where this seed could be found and if so, by a reputable breeder?

Thanks.
 

840/2

Active Member
No love.....does no one else love Willie or has he been replaced by a sweeter mo' tasty lady?
 

growone

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i fear your search will be a long one, legit william's wonder seeds probably don't exist, you could find some crosses like you mentioned, and there are some re-bred offerings, but the real deal is probably gone
 

840/2

Active Member
Bummer, I was afraid someone would tell me that........and I thank you for listening.

Welp, back to the drawing board
 

growone

Well-Known Member
i do see a few of those type of re-bred seeds, they might give the genuine experience
as i understand usual breeding practices, most original stock seeds would be produced from some specific mother/father - revegged/propagated until their demise, which unfortunately happens too often
so what you get in this case are F2's, or some such stuff, might be good, but may not match the gear of old
 

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
i do see a few of those type of re-bred seeds, they might give the genuine experience
as i understand usual breeding practices, most original stock seeds would be produced from some specific mother/father - revegged/propagated until their demise, which unfortunately happens too often
so what you get in this case are F2's, or some such stuff, might be good, but may not match the gear of old
i do agree growone.. obviously the og seeds would be the best, and sometimes re breeds can be a crap shot at best, but you never really know till you grow something, and for $60, it's not too big of a gamble imo..
and bc bud depot says they used original stock to make their seeds, but then again, most breeders tend to pump out that line..
 

growone

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i do agree growone.. obviously the og seeds would be the best, and sometimes re breeds can be a crap shot at best, but you never really know till you grow something, and for $60, it's not too big of a gamble imo.. and bc bud depot says they used original stock to make their seeds, but then again, most breeders tend to pump out that line..
definitely agree, depends on how badly someone wants those genetics
if you have enough money and patience, you'll probably find something close or maybe even spot on
 

840/2

Active Member
Wow, woke up to activity on this! Awesome guys!!

Next question...and perhaps a link to another page would be best....but I get lost on the F1 F2, S1 and whatnot....is there somewhere I can go and study those and what they mean so that I have a better idea when reading about gear?

Thanks again you two, I just might have to try BC Bud depot
 

growone

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F2 is would be from 2 ww parents, i think that is what Bud Depot has, racerboy mentioned ww x ww, which should be F2's
how close? you'll have to wager your $60 to find out, all seeds are a risk, but the price is reasonable
the S1 is self pollinating a nice ww by making it throw hermie pollen by some stress technique
i expect there are some william wonder cuts/clones running around, nice plants are often propagated
 

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
yah, f1 and so is stands for fillial, which pretty much just means what generation out they are from the original cross...
say for ex, you take two different strains, and cross them, the result would be the f1 generation.. now, say you take 2 of the f1's and cross them, you end up with an f2, so on and so on.. usually f1's tend to be the least stable out of the line as you're taking two very different plants usually and crossing them together, so the offspring have the chance of taking after either of the parents, or a mixture of both..
say you have 10 seeds from an f1 x, you may end up with say 3 or 4 very different looking planats, each one of them is what is called a phenotype, basically meaning they are all different in some way to the others...
as you back cross the f1 generation in order to get f2/s, the plants tend to get more and more stable as you go along as you have know cut out a large part of the gene pool, so to say.. also, you should experience less and less pheno's as the line progresses, and the plants will start to look at act much more in the same manner then an f1 generation ever would..

and like growone has already said, s1's are simply using one plant to create seeds instead of a mother and father.. breeders will get a plant to pollinate itself by either stress or certain chemicals that are known to make a female plant throw out male flowers.. they then pollinate the plant with the pollen created by the male flowers..
s1 stands for self 1 and these plants are very stable and will look like the mother plant they came from as there is no father genetics to change things... plant genetics work very much in the way humans do, once you learn the terminology, it's all very similar.. :)
 

Jogro

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I'm actually after the exact same thing myself.

Had some weed called "Willie's one hit Wonder" in the early 90s. . .that was the post potent stuff I've ever tried. One normal sized joint couchlocked me, AND my heavy stoner friend, AND actually made a third person pass out! It also has a sort of unusual floral scent. Been looking for more every since, and would love to get my hands on some seeds, or even a clone of the real McCoy.

This is everything I've been able to unearth on this strain:

-The strain itself supposedly traces back to a pre-Soviet invasion Afghan strain. Its different enough from existing Afghani strains, that some think it must have been grown up in the mountains or another geographically isolated place.

-Its been claimed that this strain can't be flowered outdoors without starting flowering indoors first. That sounds ridiculous to me, and doesn't make genetic sense, but there it is. Again, I've never grown it, but this is supposedly one of those rare strains that combines extreme potency, a good yield, and a decent flavor. Most of the indicas will only give you (at most) two of those three things.

-The "William's" refers to Williams Oregon, where what we know as this strain was originally developed going back to the late 1970s. Its been claimed that this strain is still being grown outdoors there by old-timers as an heirloom strain. Since this is an inbred line (rather than some clone-only hybrid cut), seeds "should" be able to be produced by local growers. So probably if you knew the right folks, or travelled in the right circles, you might be able to get some. Don't know.

-Dru, from Oregon, and author of "West Coast Masters" growing guide specifically mentioned this strain as the best of the indicas, and one of the only strains he grows. (That says something, I think).

-The difficulty to obtain seeds, means that despite the fact that this is an IBL strain, its also one of those strains that people are growing/trading as "clone only". So even though seeds may (or may not) be commercially available, the strain definitely isn't extinct. It also does turn up from time to time at dispensaries, again, proving that it still is out there.

-I know BC bud depot offers Williams Wonder seeds, but that outfit has somewhat of a mixed reputation, and I haven't seen any reviews of the seeds. So far as I know this is the ONLY commercial offering at this time claiming to be pure Williams wonder:

https://www.bcbuddepot.com/seed-list/bc-bud-depot/williams-wonder/

If anyone has actually tried growing these or the ensuing product, I'd love to hear about it.

-After nearly a seven year absence Reeferman has recently re-entered the seed game, but I don't think he is offering Williams wonder at this time. Regarding his earlier seeds, I've seen several internet stories about them. Some claim they weren't a good representation of the strain. Others claim he obtained a large amount of these seeds from some third party, sold them under his name retail, then never paid the original breeder for them. I don't know the truth of these rumors.

-DNA Genetics currently offers a strain called "60 Day Wonder" which it claims is a lowryder backcrossed to a Williams' wonder multiple times, basically to the point where its a reasonable rendition of an autoflowering Williams Wonder. I've heard various reports on this one. My conclusion on reading many many reviews is that its not fully stabilized, and isn't exactly like the famous strain, but at least some of the phenos are quite strong. Every report I've seen says this takes 72-75 days from seed to harvest, by the way.
 

Jogro

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Wow, woke up to activity on this! Awesome guys!!

Next question...and perhaps a link to another page would be best....but I get lost on the F1 F2, S1 and whatnot....is there somewhere I can go and study those and what they mean so that I have a better idea when reading about gear?
I'll make it "ridiculously simple"

If you cross a male and a female plant, all the offspring are known as the "F1 generation".
If you then cross any two of the offspring, THEIR offspring will be know as the "F2 generation", and so on.

S1 refers to a plant created by SELF fertilization. This can happen if a plant makes hermaphrodite flowers; usually a female plant making some male flowers, which then are used to pollinate another female "clone" of the same mother. The hermies can occur naturally, but they're most often induced by chemicals, including gibberellic acid or colloidal silver.

Now, what does this all "mean"?

It gets a little complicated. With respect to William's Wonder, that is an outdoor grown, true breeding strain. So in theory, if you selected any two plants and crossed them, the offspring should be similar to the parents. In THIS particular case, F2 plants shouldn't be significantly different than F1 or parent plants.

In GENERAL, because of the way genes assort, if you cross two different plants from different inbred parent lines, the F1 offspring will all look somewhat similar, as they'll each have half the genetics of the parents. But the F2 generation will be a random-grab bag of different genes assorted from each parent.

More genetics talk than this is beyond the scope of this post.


Thanks again you two, I just might have to try BC Bud depot
If you do, PLEASE post a review/report about it and let me know.
 

kentuckyboy

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I saw them for sale somewhere, but I can't remember where. I had a friend that used to talk about that strain, and he said it was the best that he has ever smoked. I can't say that I have ever seen or smoked this strain before, but I would like to if I could find it.
 
Willyjack seeds has a strain that is called willyjack it is willams wonder x jack herer it would be a nice cross you may find a nice willy pheno in the pack:)
 

karmas a bitch

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Bodhi has a cross with it. It's called temple. Pretty sure the beans are gonna restock soon. It's supposed to be great. I'm sure it is since its from bodhi.
 
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