Bigger the pot, bigger the yield??
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KUShSOurSMOKEr
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HuMbolt thanks for that info man what kind of soil do u use outdoor would ocean forest be good?Also is 25 gallonpots good for a p a plant with a sativa? Thanks humbolt
Humboldt14
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i use OF, and a 25 gallon pot you can most def get a pound. what kind of climate do you live in?
MixedMelodyMindBender
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The bigger the roots, the bigger the fruits. No roots = No Fruits. Establishing bigger roots, will feed and grow a bigger plant, that will lead to bigger harvests.
25 gallon is a good size, but you can always go bigger. If you grew the same strain, one in a 25 gallon, and another in a 100 gallon, if everything was kept the same, and in the same location, by theory your 100 gallon will surpass your 25 gallon.
I've used fox farms in the past, but have moved on. You should get some good results with it, but lately ocean forest has had issues with bugs. I don't know much other about its status than that.
25 gallon is a good size, but you can always go bigger. If you grew the same strain, one in a 25 gallon, and another in a 100 gallon, if everything was kept the same, and in the same location, by theory your 100 gallon will surpass your 25 gallon.
I've used fox farms in the past, but have moved on. You should get some good results with it, but lately ocean forest has had issues with bugs. I don't know much other about its status than that.
Humboldt14
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what bug issues?
MixedMelodyMindBender
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Mostly gnats to my understanding. Again, I don't use it any more. If you do some googling, you can dig it up. Fox Farms admitted to it, and said its in the process of correcting it. I would advice ya do some research of your own on fox farms and come to your own conclusions though 
It happens to a lot of soil companies. Even roots has had its riff of bug's. Also, I should note that from what I found out, its only certain areas that actual reported infestations. With gnats they tend to be obvious. I would also recommend doing soil drenches with predatory nematodes to rid of any possible chances. All the Best~
It happens to a lot of soil companies. Even roots has had its riff of bug's. Also, I should note that from what I found out, its only certain areas that actual reported infestations. With gnats they tend to be obvious. I would also recommend doing soil drenches with predatory nematodes to rid of any possible chances. All the Best~
Humboldt14
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huh.. never had a issue with there soil and i live right near were its made. I just got 20 yards delivered a couple weeks ago..Mostly gnats to my understanding. Again, I don't use it any more. If you do some googling, you can dig it up. Fox Farms admitted to it, and said its in the process of correcting it. I would advice ya do some research of your own on fox farms and come to your own conclusions though
It happens to a lot of soil companies. Even roots has had its riff of bug's. Also, I should note that from what I found out, its only certain areas that actual reported infestations. With gnats they tend to be obvious. I would also recommend doing soil drenches with predatory nematodes to rid of any possible chances. All the Best~
MixedMelodyMindBender
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There ya go. Sounds right. The issue stems from where the product gets stored at once its sold. If your buying it direct u should be golden. Must know somebody cause its illegal for them to sell to the public directly, and on their website they make sure to state that they only sell to wholesale distributors. But hey if your getting it like that, more power to ya
If you google "bugs in ocean forest soil" you'll have some reading material of others complaints. It not like fox farms is going to broadcast it on their website. Thats bad logical business. I guess its to each their own. Many use it, and many no longer use it!
And if you live in Humboldt, like myself, most exp. growers no longer fuck with anything fox farms. Not saying they don't make good products, but their is way better, for much less $. IE, Sub's super soil would be cheaper than 20 yards of ocean forest from the factory. Especially if you live in Humboldt!
Vindicated
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hmm, I can get my hands on 25 gallon smart pots.100 gallon is to expensive. 40 gal might be doable. What's frustrating is I have the land, but they don't grow that big in straight soil for me. But I also heard it takes years for soil to be properly amended. My best plants where in 4x4 raised beds. Didn't get monsters though. I really hope this year will be better.
MixedMelodyMindBender
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Maybe have your soil tested and see what its lacking to provide you with the massive girls you want. The magic is all in that microherd that makes that soil a healthy active-productive biological medium. The bigger your roots the bigger your fruits will be 4X4 is not a lot of root room space, thus not that big of trees.
A great example~ This is a 12ft plant thats in the ground, next to a 17 foot pine tree. Feed Vegan Organics ( meaning I don;t use any animal based products in my fertilizers, nutrients, additives. She yielded almost 4 lbs. Believe it or not, there is a 6 foot 225lbs man on the other side. It takes three people arms stretched wide, hand and hand, to go completely around it.
In a 100 gallon smart pot, this strain yields me a lb outdoors, If I am lucky.
4X4 is not a lot of root room space, thus not that big of trees. A great example~ This is a 12ft plant thats in the ground, next to a 17 foot pine tree. Feed Vegan Organics ( meaning I don;t use any animal based products in my fertilizers, nutrients, additives. She yielded almost 4 lbs. Believe it or not, there is a 6 foot 225lbs man on the other side. It takes three people arms stretched wide, hand and hand, to go completely around it.
In a 100 gallon smart pot, this strain yields me a lb outdoors, If I am lucky.
Humboldt14
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yea you dont what the fuck your talking about, #1 i never said i got anything from the factory i said i live near were its made. #2 you said most exp. growers dont use it up here. hahaha you dont know what your talking about, i live off 36 and we got trucks out here all the time palates galore. exp. growers dont use it. "Bullshit" I am experiencedThere ya go. Sounds right. The issue stems from where the product gets stored at once its sold. If your buying it direct u should be golden. Must know somebody cause its illegal for them to sell to the public directly, and on their website they make sure to state that they only sell to wholesale distributors. But hey if your getting it like that, more power to ya
If you google "bugs in ocean forest soil" you'll have some reading material of others complaints. It not like fox farms is going to broadcast it on their website. Thats bad logical business. I guess its to each their own. Many use it, and many no longer use it!
And if you live in Humboldt, like myself, most exp. growers no longer fuck with anything fox farms. Not saying they don't make good products, but their is way better, for much less $. IE, Sub's super soil would be cheaper than 20 yards of ocean forest from the factory. Especially if you live in Humboldt!
Vindicated
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That's really interesting. Thanks for sharing that. How did you prepare the soil before you transplanted?
BTW, sorry to OP, hope you don't feel I'm taking over your thread. I'm trying to ask questions that relate to your own situation too.
Jogro
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I'd just like to clarify something.
Bigger pots = POTENTIALLY bigger plants.
The question, really, is whether or not growth of the plant in question is being limited by root size, or by something else. Increasing the pot size/root volume only helps if that's the limiting factor.
Yes, if you're growing outdoors, AND the plants get lots of sun, AND they're getting proper nutrients and water, THEN you can grow massive trees in gigantic pots.
If you're growing indoors, under a 250W HPS, a plant in a 5 gallon pot probably is going to grow larger than one in a 1 gallon pot. But increasing the pot size to 50 gallons probably won't make ANY difference because under that limited light source, the plant probably isn't using the full potential of the 5 gallon pot. The limiting factor is LIGHT, and if you want to go bigger, you have to add more light, not more pot/soil.
As a second, and equally important point, while large plants do have their charms (especially if you're looking at legal plant count limits), growing indoors, you may well get higher yields in the same space and time growing larger numbers of smaller plants. That's the whole theory behind "sea of green", lots of small plants are quickest to grow to maturity and make the most efficient use of a given lighted space.
In other words, indoors 16 plants in 3 gallon pots are probably going to do quite a bit better than 2 plants in 24 gallon pots!
Bigger pots = POTENTIALLY bigger plants.
The question, really, is whether or not growth of the plant in question is being limited by root size, or by something else. Increasing the pot size/root volume only helps if that's the limiting factor.
Yes, if you're growing outdoors, AND the plants get lots of sun, AND they're getting proper nutrients and water, THEN you can grow massive trees in gigantic pots.
If you're growing indoors, under a 250W HPS, a plant in a 5 gallon pot probably is going to grow larger than one in a 1 gallon pot. But increasing the pot size to 50 gallons probably won't make ANY difference because under that limited light source, the plant probably isn't using the full potential of the 5 gallon pot. The limiting factor is LIGHT, and if you want to go bigger, you have to add more light, not more pot/soil.
As a second, and equally important point, while large plants do have their charms (especially if you're looking at legal plant count limits), growing indoors, you may well get higher yields in the same space and time growing larger numbers of smaller plants. That's the whole theory behind "sea of green", lots of small plants are quickest to grow to maturity and make the most efficient use of a given lighted space.
In other words, indoors 16 plants in 3 gallon pots are probably going to do quite a bit better than 2 plants in 24 gallon pots!
Humboldtchronic
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Humboldt14 whats up bro I gotta a few questions for ya since you seem like you know your shit I live by the coast eureka how do I prevent mold and will 15 gal grow bags big enough to yield a pound per plant?
MixedMelodyMindBender
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Hey believe and think for yourself man. Just so you know, one of the top premier legit medical cannabis breeder in this wild wild west has long been proven the very piss poor job of soil making that the folks at fox farms does. They recently just settled an out of court settlement with Aurora Innovations...aka Roots Organics. If you'd like some science into some shady practices of fox farm , google subcool fox farms......
Just to clarify " exp. growers who know better, and put research into the product they buy and eventually use". With that, you have not a clue whats in your overly priced bullshit ocean forest.
The somoa plant that they use not to far from the airport is an old radiation waste lab....great place to have soil made at.
Or for your own beneficiary go to any hydro shop, and ask them what there #1 recommend brand is, I promise not a one will say anything fox farms. Its very well known that fox farms are for newbies in the industry. Again, dont believe anything I say, think, find, and believer for yourself. Maybe head to a cannabis cup, or a medical cup, see if fox farms shows up, or general hydroponics for that matter.
Fox Farms, General Hydroponics markets for newbies, and the overwhelming majority of their business comes from newbies who don't know any better. So until then, keep thinking your watered down earthworm casting/ bat guano tea called big bloom is the next best thing!
Nukebisket
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Damn! 20 yards is major! I just started using FF ocean forest and I got some 20 gal pots for this summers grow. I'm just wondering when do you start your plants so they can get real big? I started mine 1 month ago, should I have started earlier?
veggiegardener
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I use raised beds, both outdoors and in my two greenhouses. I don't try for monsters but try for a complete canopy in the available area. This yields 35-55 grams per square foot, depending on strain and weather conditions. I use the cheapest potting mix and nutrients I can find. I blend my own nutes with generous amounts of micro nutes from varied sources.
If you want to maximize your yields from pots, widen each plant's canopy by bending the branches away from the main stalk. This is called LST(Low Stress Training). this helps because it increases a plant's "footprint", allowing it to absorb more sunlight.
You might enjoy looking at my threads, linked in my signature.
OP: Ever grow E32?
If you want to maximize your yields from pots, widen each plant's canopy by bending the branches away from the main stalk. This is called LST(Low Stress Training). this helps because it increases a plant's "footprint", allowing it to absorb more sunlight.
You might enjoy looking at my threads, linked in my signature.
OP: Ever grow E32?
Humboldt14
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We run fans in our greenhouse to help prevent mold, and we run sulfur burners threw out the hole season. You being up by eureka there is a ton moister up there.
Humboldt14
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you should get some big plants if you started a month ago, I start in February threw March. if you click on my link to my 24000 watt grow i have some pics of some of my plants i started a while back for my greenhouse