DankShasta
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Why doesn't everything exhaust through the air scrubber?
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Why doesn't everything exhaust through the air scrubber?
Hey HR is that good or bad? so when i plug my ballast into that 220v outlet using a the 120v cord, am i technically pulling 220v or am i pulling 120v? I'm just trying to figure out how many amps I actually using because i want to run 240v to use half the amps of 120v, but he has the outlet labeled as 220v and i plug a 120v plug into it.. confusing isnt it? thanks HR!
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
its all about rating kamie I know its hard to understand. your ballast will run at 220v the wireing needs to be a 2 phase wire to a 240v breaker.
and your standard wall socket IE duplex receps are 110v and ran to a 120v breaker, do not mix these up!
also you need to balance your 120v sockets. A 240v breaker is already balanced due to it having duel poles,
and 120v breakers are single pole. reason to balance is if you pull a 1000watts draw off your A side pole and
nothing off the B side the electric company charges you for the b side even though theres nothing there. so
when your buddy sets it up have him split you 120v gear between the A and B side to eliminate this charge.
and your standard wall socket IE duplex receps are 110v and ran to a 120v breaker, do not mix these up!
also you need to balance your 120v sockets. A 240v breaker is already balanced due to it having duel poles,
and 120v breakers are single pole. reason to balance is if you pull a 1000watts draw off your A side pole and
nothing off the B side the electric company charges you for the b side even though theres nothing there. so
when your buddy sets it up have him split you 120v gear between the A and B side to eliminate this charge.
Hey HR, I'm still confused lol. what he showed me so was was a piece of wood that has a timer. 6 outlets, 4 which he said was 220v and 2 is 110v which he said that is always on and would not shut off. So if i was to use 4 1k ballasts, am i running at 8.9 amps x 4? or am i really running half of those amps?
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
ballasts running 120 will be alot more amps than ones running 240v. sounds like he know what hes doing kamie, its hard for me to know if its right without seeing it!
running 240v theres good savings there! and balancing your 120v power can save a ton to. there is the posability hes using a 120v outlet with x plugs if this is the
case then hes running 240v ballasts through a 120v outlet lol i know its confusing
running 240v theres good savings there! and balancing your 120v power can save a ton to. there is the posability hes using a 120v outlet with x plugs if this is the
case then hes running 240v ballasts through a 120v outlet lol i know its confusing
phillipchristian
New Member
Hey Kamie, sorry but was out on the boat today.
For the most part Hellraizer is spot on man. It does sound like your buddy knows what he is doing. Although, if you have 240v outlets then you are probably running your ballasts on 240v. A 1000w ballasts uses roughly 9.5amps at 120v and 4.75amps at 240v. 120/240v is just the force at which your electricity is delivered. If you have twice as much force (240v) then you need half the draw (amps). This doesn't affect your electrical bill though because you are still using the same amount of watts. Electrical companies bill for kilowatt hours. They do not bill based on your amps. The reason for using the 240v lines is that it allows you to use less draw off your main panel. If you have a 100amp service for example and you put everything on 120v service in your house then you wouldn't have enough room on your main panel. Large appliances have significant draws (a/c, electric stove, hot water heaters, etc...) so they are put on 240v service.
As far as your setup goes; do not worry about your equipment being 110v and the outlets being 120v. It's the exact same thing; same outlet; etc... It's totally normal.
For the most part Hellraizer is spot on man. It does sound like your buddy knows what he is doing. Although, if you have 240v outlets then you are probably running your ballasts on 240v. A 1000w ballasts uses roughly 9.5amps at 120v and 4.75amps at 240v. 120/240v is just the force at which your electricity is delivered. If you have twice as much force (240v) then you need half the draw (amps). This doesn't affect your electrical bill though because you are still using the same amount of watts. Electrical companies bill for kilowatt hours. They do not bill based on your amps. The reason for using the 240v lines is that it allows you to use less draw off your main panel. If you have a 100amp service for example and you put everything on 120v service in your house then you wouldn't have enough room on your main panel. Large appliances have significant draws (a/c, electric stove, hot water heaters, etc...) so they are put on 240v service.
As far as your setup goes; do not worry about your equipment being 110v and the outlets being 120v. It's the exact same thing; same outlet; etc... It's totally normal.
phillipchristian
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Not sure what you are referring to?
Sencha
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Well, I removed my carpet, cleaned the floor and framed a wall today. I ran short on time so I had to put panda film back up. 25' of it!! I'm glad I had help.
My poor plants are getting shit for fresh air for a few days, that's for sure. Room construction + a running bloom room + a running veg room = 1 Big Headache (and twice the work)
I've also decided not to seal the room. I just won't have the gear to do it right. Maybe next time.....and next time I won't have plants in the way!!!!!
- If I frame a door opening for a 24" door, I actually make the opening 29" right?
My poor plants are getting shit for fresh air for a few days, that's for sure. Room construction + a running bloom room + a running veg room = 1 Big Headache (and twice the work)
I've also decided not to seal the room. I just won't have the gear to do it right. Maybe next time.....and next time I won't have plants in the way!!!!!
- If I frame a door opening for a 24" door, I actually make the opening 29" right?
hey phillip, what im confused is that he tells me the outlet is 220v, but the cord i use to plug into that outlet is the 120v. so am i really running at 220v? or am i running at 120v? i'm just confused cuz im using a 120v cord, but hes telling me that outlet is actually 220v.. lol i'm just trying to figure out how many amps im really running. thanks for be patients with me on all these questions guy =]
phillipchristian
New Member
Depends on the size of your door jamb. 29" seems a little big. Most jambs are 1 - 1.5" so your "opening would be 26-27".
phillipchristian
New Member
Sounds like he's basically making a sub panel or light controller box on the wall for you. Pictures would really help. Either way; if your ballast or equipment cord and plug are 120v then that is what you are using. Every ballast is different but they all state on the ballast or in the manual how many amps they pull at 120v. for a 1000w it's usually between 9-10amps.
hey phillip i noticed the 750w feature on the ballast and have seen only talks about either 1000w and 600w. Is 750w not any good? I am planning on using 600w since i won't be growing plants taller than 4ft. also what is the footprint of a 600w? i remember you saying 1000w is 5x5 so would that mean a 600w would be a 4x4?
phillipchristian
New Member
Hey bud, there are a few manufacturers that make 750w bulbs. Not too many though. Some guys run their bulbs at dimmed settings; especially early in flower when their plants are smaller. I don't recommend doing this at all. I've talked to the guys at Lumatek and Hortilux and they all say the same thing...running a ballast at a dimmed setting is fine but running a bulb at a dimmed setting actually changes the spectrum of the bulb. You are better off running a 600w bulb on a dimmed ballast. Don't run a 1000w bulb dimmed to 600w. If you are going to run the 1000w dimmed then there is nothing wrong with running it at 750w. Just more penetration and electrical draw.
600w lights all vary but for the most part 4x4 is a pretty good rule of thumb when your light is 12" from the canopy inside of a standard air cooled hood. Farther away and you lose footcandles but gain width.
thanks phillip, i always thought that running 1k's means bigger yields so i always assumed 1k's were the best. thanks for the clear up. *Like button*
phillipchristian
New Member
You can get the same yield per size with a 400w that you can get with a 1000w. It just depends on the size of your plants and the area you are growing in. Most guys are growing plants 4-5' by the time they are harvested. In this situation a 1000w will give you more footcandles and penetration to the lower canopy. It really just depends on the size of your plant. If you are growing 4' plants and you lollipop and trim the leaves a little than a 600w light is just fine actually.
hellraizer30
Rebel From The North
I have alway got my best results with 600s a nice trimmed up plant and lollypoped and about 2 1/2 3 ft. Tall
kindlyginger
Active Member
Where are you guys finding the dual 600w ballasts for $275? Can this ballast be run with one reflector or does it always have to have 2 on?
phillipchristian
New Member
BCHydro.com had them for that price. Not sure if they still do though. Couple sites are around there as well. It's 2 ballasts in 1, how are you not running a second reflector? You don't have to run them both but what's the point of getting it then?
kindlyginger
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Thanks. Well, I am going to shoot for a perpetual grow rotating 2 plants. So the first time I put plants in there will only be 2, than about a month later 2 more.
It's nice to have the flexibility. I see the dual draws 5.5 amps. I thought I saw the single drew 2.7 amps. Two singles would be less than a dual. I must be mistaken.
It's nice to have the flexibility. I see the dual draws 5.5 amps. I thought I saw the single drew 2.7 amps. Two singles would be less than a dual. I must be mistaken.
kindlyginger
Active Member
BCHydro the electric company?