trayvan martin
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UncleBuck
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libertarian is just what embarrassed republicans call themselves.
UncleBuck
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why is race important? this is about a kid being shot by a pyscho cop wannabe vigilante.
if that happens "almost every day", as you claim, i expect you to cite a similar incident almost every single day.
and as far as the length of the thread goes, congratulations on contributing to it further.
desert dude
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As I see it, Zimmer's defense will hinge on 776.041. If the prosecutor can prove that Zimmer was committing a "forcible felony" then he has no protection under SYG, but no forcible felony charge has been levied.
The prosecutor will probably try to prove that Zimmer falls under item 2, i.e. Zimmer initially provoked the use of force against himself. That seems possible to me, although not a slam-dunk. Then the prosecutor must prove that Zimmer exhausted every reasonable means of escape. Given the facts we know today, Trayvon on top beating Zimmer, that seems impossible to me. Failing that, the prosecutor must prove that Zimmer had no reasonable fear of great bodily harm or death. Again, that seems impossible to me.
"776.041 Use of force by aggressor. —The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force. "
The prosecutor will probably try to prove that Zimmer falls under item 2, i.e. Zimmer initially provoked the use of force against himself. That seems possible to me, although not a slam-dunk. Then the prosecutor must prove that Zimmer exhausted every reasonable means of escape. Given the facts we know today, Trayvon on top beating Zimmer, that seems impossible to me. Failing that, the prosecutor must prove that Zimmer had no reasonable fear of great bodily harm or death. Again, that seems impossible to me.
"776.041 Use of force by aggressor. —The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force. "
desert dude
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I give you points for that insult, at least it showed some effort. Calling a libertarian a republican would be hurtful if there were any truth to it.
Stillbuzzin
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Dam good question.
UncleBuck
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we have no idea who attacked who and zimmerman's story is so full of holes and outright lies it will hold up to zero scrutiny. given zimmerman's history of violence and "snapping", it's way more likely that zimmerman attacked martin.
UncleBuck
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who did you say you were voting for again?
ron paul, was it? what party is he part of?
LOL!
no wonder you are voting for the racist old codger, you are dumb enough and arrogant enough to think that you know better than serino, who sniffs out bullshit tales like zimmerman's for a living.
desert dude
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Just spit balling here, but it could be because of US history in the twentieth century?
desert dude
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The embalmer you quoted many pages ago said that Trayvon had not a single mark on him except for the bullet hole in his chest. Doesn't seem to indicate that Trayvon was assaulted.
desert dude
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If Paul were a Democrat I would still vote for him.
DelSlow
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1.Who is afraid?
2.The whole Rodney King incident, so once?
3.Yes, some white people are crazy for sports!
UncleBuck
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the enbalmer said no marks on his hands that would indicate he would be doing any assaulting, actually.
lol @ your continuous fact failure.
UncleBuck
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and i bet you still consider him a "constitutionalist". lol.
desert dude
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No, I actually read the link you provided. The guy said Trayvon was unmarked except for the bullet hole. To be fair, the guy you quoted was an undertaker, not a medical examiner, so his statement holds little water.
desert dude
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Certainly more so than anybody else who is running.
cliffey501
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Black people riot everytime a new pair of Air Jordans come out.
desert dude
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One eye witness, thirteen year old Austin Brown, is african-american. Somebody posted a video of him many pages back. The other eye witness, "John", has remained anonymous.
Samwell Seed Well
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arrested/charged murder 2
haha
haha